Don’t Let The ACLU Remove The Crosses From Federal Cemeteries

[hottiedeafboi]

FACT: The Pledge did NOT have "God" and it was added much later. Was that pledge anti-Christian? Not at all! The writer of that pledge was a Christian socialist (ironic since it was McCarthy that demanded God out of fear that communists would take over America)

FACT: The Consitution makes it clear.. do not establish religion. It respects freedom of religion and that can only work if you leave religion of any kind out of government. You are ANTI-AMERICAN if you put religion in government.

"ACLU contradict what America stands for."

WRONG! ACLU is as American as it could get. It has a history of defending UNPOPULAR cases and that's their job to defend their cases. The Constitution gives EVERYONE the right to have a fair trial. That's what America is all about!

It's people like you that clearly is out of touch with the Consitution. Why do you think your OWN judges often ignore your opinions? They are SWORN to interpret the Constitution faithfully, not your opinions or religious beliefs.

FACT: the controversial about constitutions going on for years and FACTS: separation church and state has not signed in approval, but the reason its been written that the church will be protected from the state by the honor of God. Like american anthem " Star Spangled Banner" been wriitten in 1813 and the second stanza "In God We Trust". Abraham Lincoln, the most powerful and unfluental president in this nation and very strong speech and put God thru the Lord Jesus Christ. Thru the president, has been with layman and ask for prayer what God want them to do. Not have to be by force, but what this nation stand for. This nation is lately has been corrupt. As I read the old toestament what happen to Israel, in the Book of Judges, Book of Jeremiah and the life of Elijah, it is soo similar as what we are living today. America are turning to God to Ba'al. True, we should not hurt each other, as the word "crown thy good with brotherhood" are fading, its "crown thy sin to brotherhood". I'm not going out there and standing in the corner and say America is doomed. It is not my calling to do so, but only is share the love of God, and godly example bring strong nation, but the wicked( its the people who is compromise and debaucry level) lead the nation to the fall. My great grandfather shared with me by his growing up in school, that is prayers and pledge, bec it goes hand in hand. That is in very late 1800s to early 1900s. I remember my time the same but only my 1st yr of school. Bec that's when gvmnt slowly deteriorate and stop allow praying in school in the yr of the 60s. But as this matter of discussion will not end. I make a choice, I rather follow Daniel than Babylon law to ban prayer to living God, I rather choose Elijah, I rather wroship God than Ba'al. I rather follow Moses than Egyptians and also rather worship God than golden calf. I rather have Jesus than humanist theories or new age. That's who I stand for, if I'm for God, I'm for American! God bless America, my home sweet home! God shed His grace on thee!! America! America! The land of the Free!

 

[Teresh]

FACT: the controversial about constitutions going on for years

The Constitutional issue of the First Amendment was considered settled over 200 years ago. There wasn't a controversy until the Christian Conservatives decided it was time to pervert America's meaning and take away all of the right and freedoms that made America the best country in the world.

FACTS: separation church and state has not signed in approval, but the reason its been written that the church will be protected from the state by the honor of God.

Read the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.

Like american anthem " Star Spangled Banner" been wriitten in 1813 and the second stanza "In God We Trust".

The word "God" does not appear anywhere in our National Anthem. Maybe you're getting it confused with something else?

Our national motto at this time is "In God We Trust". From the beginning of our Nation, our motto was "E Pluribus Unum" ("From Many, One"). Circa McCarthyism (which also inserted God into the Pledge of Allegiance), it was changed to the current one.

"E Pluribus Unum" is the correct and proper motto for America and accurately describes our Great Republic. Therefore, it should be restored as the motto and "In God We Trust" discarded.

I rather have Jesus than humanist theories or new age. That's who I stand for, if I'm for God, I'm for American! God bless America, my home sweet home! God shed His grace on thee!! America! America! The land of the Free!

No one's limiting your ability to worship God. We just don't want you making it government policy, which is something you people have a habit of trying to do.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

The Constitutional issue of the First Amendment was considered settled over 200 years ago. There wasn't a controversy until the Christian Conservatives decided it was time to pervert America's meaning and take away all of the right and freedoms that made America the best country in the world.



Read the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.



The word "God" does not appear anywhere in our National Anthem. Maybe you're getting it confused with something else?

Our national motto at this time is "In God We Trust". From the beginning of our Nation, our motto was "E Pluribus Unum" ("From Many, One"). Circa McCarthyism (which also inserted God into the Pledge of Allegiance), it was changed to the current one.

"E Pluribus Unum" is the correct and proper motto for America and accurately describes our Great Republic. Therefore, it should be restored as the motto and "In God We Trust" discarded.



No one's limiting your ability to worship God. We just don't want you making it government policy, which is something you people have a habit of trying to do.

No it isn't correct about the constitutions. The time they came here free from Church of England and also the immoralities going on in Europe. I know the 1st amendments. Behind the constitution is with God's guidance for freedom. As for sure, if forefather sees America by allowing having adult stores, now battling same sex marriage and etc, no doubt, forefathers will be broken heart deeply as God is also. I have a book 366 hymnal songs about who wrote it and the year and the life of the writer, you probably has one stanza of Star Spangled Banner, but I have the complete stanze of that, our tradition is 1st stanza, but in church we do the whole. Recently sunday, the militaries marched down the pews as a militant act with American flags, its beautiful and colorful and very American tradition by singing different patriotic songs. Have to have the balance of what this nation stand for and no, conservative does not causing this. Start in 20th century things beign to change little by little and continue downgrade. What is happpening today is not what forefather expected. I'm sorry, that's the way I see that. Too me both side extreme conservative and your side behave the same way. But as of christians, a lot in some way are in fear by seeing by opening the door and welcome immoralities, and destroy the moral values. Like the Book of Judges, people who hated those who love and worship God and accepted what they think its right their own eyes, that is being open minded or being nuetral. I'm not saying that it should grab on someones throat, but the danger that we are heading, that's what christians concerned about. It is a challenge as my great grandfather told me I will face more challenge than he faces.

 

[Rose Immortal]

I want ALL religious symbols removed from the government. Crosses, crescents, wiccan, all of them.

And replace them with american flags!

For a burial? I disagree...I think the family should have a right to choose what symbol they want on someone's final resting place. That's a private matter. Christian families should be free to bury a Christian with a cross, and atheist families should be free to choose a symbol or design to their liking. But I do not think that the atheist's freedom should trump that of any other group--otherwise true equality will not exist.

 

[jazzy]

For a burial? I disagree...I think the family should have a right to choose what symbol they want on someone's final resting place. That's a private matter. Christian families should be free to bury a Christian with a cross, and atheist families should be free to choose a symbol or design to their liking. But I do not think that the atheist's freedom should trump that of any other group--otherwise true equality will not exist.

I agree, I would not want anyone to tell me what to do if I wear a cross around my neck or have it on my headstone. It goes same for all kind of religion, whether they are wiccan or Islamic.

 

[VamPyroX]

If we don't remove the cross, are we being anti-Muslim or anti-Islam?

 

[Oceanbreeze]

For a burial? I disagree...I think the family should have a right to choose what symbol they want on someone's final resting place. That's a private matter. Christian families should be free to bury a Christian with a cross, and atheist families should be free to choose a symbol or design to their liking. But I do not think that the atheist's freedom should trump that of any other group--otherwise true equality will not exist.

I agree, but I also can see the argument for the seperation of church and state, too.

Since we're talking about a FEDERAL CEMETARY, I think we should come down on the side of the seperation of church and state. We simply can't be choosy when it comes to religious symbols. If you allow one, you must allow them all, or none at all. I say don't allow any. If you want to a grave marker, use one that symbolizes pride in our country.

If you want to choose your own marker, have a private burial in state cemetary.

 

[netrox]

I am NOT opposed to having a religious symbol on each burial on a deceased's request.

What i am opposed is putting crosses on their burials without knowing what they wanted.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

I agree, about the cemetaries, it is personal prefences. Many use a cross not as religious, but symbolic of freedom that fought for. Bec as many taking an idea what Jesus died on the cross for freedom that He fought against evil forces, so they get the idea of the cross where men died for sacrifices their lives for this country freedom.

 

[ismi]

For a burial? I disagree...I think the family should have a right to choose what symbol they want on someone's final resting place. That's a private matter. Christian families should be free to bury a Christian with a cross, and atheist families should be free to choose a symbol or design to their liking. But I do not think that the atheist's freedom should trump that of any other group--otherwise true equality will not exist.

This atheist agrees.

 

[Cousin Vinny]

Since we're talking about a FEDERAL CEMETARY, I think we should come down on the side of the seperation of church and state. We simply can't be choosy when it comes to religious symbols. If you allow one, you must allow them all, or none at all. I say don't allow any.

AFAIK, the Establishment Clause does not allow the government to have 'excessive entanglement' with religion, among other interpretations. In fact, the Government can have religious displays as long as it does not violate the Establishment Clause. However, such exceptions have been extremely rare, though.

Whenever I go to a Federal cemetery like Arlington, and come across a religious symbol or two, or thousands dotting the landscape, the first thing that comes to my mind is that the dead wanted these symbols, not the Federal Government. As such, I really do not see any excessive entanglement here, as the religious symbols are merely incidential in nature.

IMO? Let the dead rest in peace, let them and their families be comforted by their religion and freely allow the usual visible markers etch their moment in time.

 

[ayala920]

IMO? Let the dead rest in peace, let them and their families be comforted by their religion and freely allow the usual visible markers etch their moment in time.

Agreed! If someone has an issue with a cross being put up, they have every right to have it removed. However, denying all families the right to have crosses marking their loved ones' graves is just silly.

 

[Rose Immortal]

I agree, but I also can see the argument for the seperation of church and state, too.

Since we're talking about a FEDERAL CEMETARY, I think we should come down on the side of the seperation of church and state. We simply can't be choosy when it comes to religious symbols. If you allow one, you must allow them all, or none at all. I say don't allow any. If you want to a grave marker, use one that symbolizes pride in our country.

That's a risk you'd have to run...but when it comes to a family burying their son or husband or wife or daughter, then I think we must accept it. There may be a rare few who will abuse that, but in this particular case I think that's the more acceptable risk. To say that one cannot be buried with a religious symbol in a federal cemetery is in essence to say that only atheists can be buried there, and I don't think the state can sponsor that particular belief any more than it can Christianity.

 

[Foxrac]

Heath hasn't hear about new law that passed by 9th District Congress and new law is remove the "under god" from pledge at all public school and most public area in all part of 9th District (most part of west region), also 9th District is California, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Alaska and Oregon. There's some reason because "under god" is violate their religion rights and feel have no respect for people that who have different religions, and many people don't want hear about shit from Christian biased. ACLU is start have figure out at supreme court about remove the "under god" from pledge, also they will win because ALCU is already know about 1st Amendment. If they win then "under god" would remove from pledge and would restore into original that what did in before 1950's.

The percent of "claim no religion" has growing rapidly in USA, it was 8% in 1990's then went up to 12% in 2001, and expected up to 20% or so in 2010. The percent of Christian population have declining but it's slow to grow in number since other religions (such as Muslim, Jew, Roman Catholic, Buddhist, Claim No Religion and others) are growing rapidly.

I'm claim no religion...

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Heath hasn't hear about new law that passed by 9th District Congress and new law is remove the "under god" from pledge at all public school and most public area in all part of 9th District (most part of west region), also 9th District is California, Arizona, Nevada, Hawaii, Washington, Idaho, Montana, Alaska and Oregon. There's some reason because "under god" is violate their religion rights and feel have no respect for people that who have different religions, and many people don't want hear about shit from Christian biased. ACLU is start have figure out at supreme court about remove the "under god" from pledge, also they will win because ALCU is already know about 1st Amendment. If they win then "under god" would remove from pledge and would restore into original that what did in before 1950's.

The percent of "claim no religion" has growing rapidly in USA, it was 8% in 1990's then went up to 12% in 2001, and expected up to 20% or so in 2010. The percent of Christian population have declining but it's slow to grow in number since other religions (such as Muslim, Jew, Roman Catholic, Buddhist, Claim No Religion and others) are growing rapidly.

I'm claim no religion...

That is why this nation is gone bad to worse. But not worst of it, its going to get darker in this nation. I'm sorry, that's the way I see it. It isn't surprising, bec its already written in Scripture and the sign of end time. Moral value is dying and immorality is gaing victory, but not for long tho.

 

[pek1]

The percent of "claim no religion" has growing rapidly in USA, it was 8% in 1990's then went up to 12% in 2001, and expected up to 20% or so in 2010. The percent of Christian population have declining but it's slow to grow in number since other religions (such as Muslim, Jew, Roman Catholic, Buddhist, Claim No Religion and others) are growing rapidly.

Quote your source, please.

 

[Foxrac]

Quote your source, please.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_percentage_of_population_claiming_no_religion

The fastest growing group are those that claim no religion, representing 8% of the population in 1990 and 14% in 2001.

I got other stuff from newspaper, that all.

 

[Boult]

That's why when there are no information about godless americans in the past. Now that we have revealed that it is growing in numbers. the religious cohorts don't want this exposed.

now that we have made breakthrough that atheist/agnostics/freethinkers as well as godless are growing in numbers. so we have burst open. This is not going to turn nation darker. It is going to make it brighter than ever in the future and upholding the words of our founding fathers! Thus the First Amendment!

If one wants religion then keep it personal! instead of injecting into government like Knights of Columbus have been at it for over 150yrs!

Now we have this organization to thanks for event though I am secular humanist (in other word, free thinker) which is American United; http://www.au.org/site/PageServer "Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit educational organization, founded in 1947 by a broad coalition of religious, educational and civic leaders."

**stepping off soapbox***

 

[Foxrac]

That's why when there are no information about godless americans in the past. Now that we have revealed that it is growing in numbers. the religious cohorts don't want this exposed.

now that we have made breakthrough that atheist/agnostics/freethinkers as well as godless are growing in numbers. so we have burst open. This is not going to turn nation darker. It is going to make it brighter than ever in the future and upholding the words of our founding fathers! Thus the First Amendment!

If one wants religion then keep it personal! instead of injecting into government like Knights of Columbus have been at it for over 150yrs!

Now we have this organization to thanks for event though I am secular humanist (in other word, free thinker) which is American United; http://www.au.org/site/PageServer "Americans United for Separation of Church and State is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit educational organization, founded in 1947 by a broad coalition of religious, educational and civic leaders."

**stepping off soapbox***

Well, children at all public school in Arizona aren't allow to say "under god" when start pledge the US flag.

 

[Boult]

Well, children at all public school in Arizona aren't allow to say "under god" when start pledge the US flag.

I know that. except for ASDB which do include that no matter what. (I guess brainwashed by video ASL of pledge) so?