Domestic Dissent?

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U.S. policymakers mull creation of domestic intelligence agency

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United Kingdom has MI-5, which roots out spies and terrorists in the British Isles.

Canada has CSIS -- the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

Now Congress is asking: Should the U.S. have its own domestic intelligence agency?

On Monday, at the request of Congress, the RAND Corporation outlined the pros and cons of establishing a domestic intelligence agency. It also discussed different ways to organize a new entity, either as part of an existing department or as a new agency.

But there's one thing you won't find in the report -- a recommendation on what to do.

"We were not asked to make a recommendation, and this assessment does not do so," the report says.

Instead, says RAND's Gregory Treverton, the report provides a "framework" for policymakers to use when deciding whether and how to reorganize counter-intelligence efforts at home.

RAND is a nonprofit think tank seeking to help improve policy and decision making through objective research and analysis.

Collecting intelligence domestically always has been a sensitive issue, at least partially because of episodic abuses by the government, notably against civil rights leaders, unions, antiwar organizations or even communists and hate groups.

But the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks renewed calls for increased domestic intelligence to prevent future attacks. Critics said that in the lead-up to the attacks, the FBI devalued counterterrorism agents and failed to heed signs that an attack was imminent.

"If you didn't carry a gun, you didn't count so much," Treverton said.

After the attacks, the FBI moved to transform its primary mission from law enforcement to counterterrorism intelligence and prevention. It now focuses on terrorism through its National Security Branch and the National Counterterrorism Center.

The RAND report focuses on two options to the current system.

In one, a new agency would be created using intelligence agencies from the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and intelligence community. A second option is to create an "agency within an agency" in the FBI or DHS.

The first option would result in an organization with a clear, unambiguous mission, and might be able to draw on a more diverse recruitment pool, such as linguists and historians who are not normally attracted to law enforcement. On the flip side, such massive reorganizations typically involve political compromises that could affect its performance.

The second option -- an "agency within an agency" -- could involve less short-term disruption, but could be hindered by a "lack of clarity of a single mission," the report says.

RAND also suggests a range of actions short of reorganization that could improve domestic intelligence gathering, such as increasing resources, improving leadership and changing bureaucratic cultures.

The report does not assess the FBI's performance since 9/11, Treverton said, but he believes Congress should seek an independent assessment.

A panel of experts that RAND convened guessed that the probability of a terrorist attack had decreased about one-third since the September 11, 2001. But "they were not enthusiastic about alternatives" to current counterterrorism organizations.

In a cautionary note, the report says that while public acceptance of domestic intelligence activities is imperative, public attitudes about what is considered acceptable "can both be fragile and shift significantly over time."

"Public demand for domestic intelligence is driven by the perceived threat, and those perceptions can change much more rapidly than the threat itself," the report says. For instance, immediately after the 9/11 attacks, 49 percent of people surveyed were worried "a great deal" about more attacks. Two years later, that had dropped to 25 percent.
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any thoughts on this???? IMO - I think this is unnecessary. We've already have Law Enforcement undercover, FBI, DEA, and bunch more 3-letters agencies. But this "Domestic Intelligence Agency" means another 3-letters agency with CIA-capability and a permanent establishment of Gitmo Camp.

I believe the very foundation of USA is to have no such oppression and intrusion by government as seen in Europe and around the world. The beauty of USA is the freedom and check-and-balance. This creation of Domestic Intelligence Agency is just another serious erosion of our country since Patriot Acts.
 
Probably a stupid thought. I don't really know what "domestic dissent" means. Is it people disloyal to their government?

I will look that up, but I may not be the only one who doesn't understand.:)
 
Bottesini said:
Probably a stupid thought. I don't really know what "domestic dissent" means. Is it people disloyal to their government?

I will look that up, but I may not be the only one who doesn't understand.:)
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it could mean several things. Domestic Dissent would be the type of citizens (yes the Americans) who are against the principle of Democracy/America/Freedom/Capitalism/etc. (or simply... "the American way"). It could be a communist/socialist/fascist/etc. American citizen... which is ironic. Remember McCarthyism?

Or it could be people like Tim McVeigh. They call themselves as a Patriot (obviously a fanatic) but they're nothing but a domestic terrorist.

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for Hear Again - I just posted a picture. It's a caricature of American soldier smiling with a thumb-up... and he was saying - "We'll take care of the axis of evil. you take care of domestic dissent!" and then 7 bullet points. Each 7 bullet points has a letter spelling out - "V I C T O R Y".

1: Vote as you're told. 2: Gladly pay your war tax raises. 3: Don't ask questions. about anything. 4: watch your neighbors. especially foreign ones. 5: Forget what your 401(k) used to be worth. 6: Don't worry about the environment. 7: remember - patriotism requires blind obedience.

A Message from the Ministry of Homeland Security.

END OF MESSAGE.
 
Got it. (I hope) So they want to create something like the KGB here? To keep a close eye on potential terrorists from within American society?

It seems like overkill with all the agency we already have and their enormous power.

It is getting to be like Big Brother from Orwell.
 
Bottesini said:
Got it. (I hope) So they want to create something like the KGB here? To keep a close eye on potential terrorists from within American society?

It seems like overkill with all the agency we already have and their enormous power.

It is getting to be like Big Brother from Orwell.
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YES! exactly. You just hit the bull's eye. You've said it better. This is exactly like Orwellism. It'd be like KGB, Getapso, etc. The sad part is.... most of targeted people are not even "potential terrorists" but rather a "harmless free-thinkers." Creation of this agency pretty much defeats the purpose of our beloved Amendment One - the freedom of speech.
 
Jiro said:
soldier.jpg


for Hear Again - I just posted a picture. It's a caricature of American soldier smiling with a thumb-up... and he was saying - "We'll take care of the axis of evil. you take care of domestic dissent!" and then 7 bullet points. Each 7 bullet points has a letter spelling out - "V I C T O R Y".

1: Vote as you're told. 2: Gladly pay your war tax raises. 3: Don't ask questions. about anything. 4: watch your neighbors. especially foreign ones. 5: Forget what your 401(k) used to be worth. 6: Don't worry about the environment. 7: remember - patriotism requires blind obedience.

A Message from the Ministry of Homeland Security.

END OF MESSAGE.
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There's just no way these 7 points come from our Homeland Security!
 
bottesini said:
got it. (i hope) so they want to create something like the kgb here? To keep a close eye on potential terrorists from within american society?

It seems like overkill with all the agency we already have and their enormous power.

It is getting to be like big brother from orwell.
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I love Big Brother.

Big Brother knows all.
 
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