Do Christians believe in Mohammad and still be Christian?

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Heehee, Throwstones, you don't mind, right? :whistle:
 
As Teresh has pointed out, Mohammed never made a claim to divinity or being a Messiah; just prophethood.
 
FreedummyRing said:
Heehee, Throwstones, you don't mind, right? :whistle:

Wow, and I thought the stupidity would end. No, a Christian cannot believe in Mohammed and still be Christian. Christianity upholds 3 very basic beliefs:

1. The Bible is the ONLY divinely dictated and inspired book. To add to the Bible is sin, in every way shape and form. That includes the Q'uran, the Book of Mormon, The Holy Tradition, The rabbinical writings, etc. What I write is not inspired unless it is a quote of the Bible.
2. Jesus was not only a prophet, but the Messiah and God Himself incarnate. Mohammed was a man, pure and simple. He is dead, and his body has returned to the dust from which it was made.
3. Jesus paid the price on the cross of Calvary, and rose again, proving that He is God. He is "The Way, the Truth, and the Life, No man cometh unto the Father, but by..." Jesus.

A Christian is not a specific race of people. You can't inherit Christianity from your parents.

I believe Mohammed existed as a man, but definitely not as "Allah incarnate.
 
ismi said:
As Teresh has pointed out, Mohammed never made a claim to divinity or being a Messiah; just prophethood.

But a bunch of Muslims believe he was Allah incarnate. And he didn't even uphold his claim to prophethood. A prophet is 100% correct, all the time, every time. Unless you can show that every prophecy that has expired has reached it's goals, you cannot say that he was a prophet. A very lucky guesser, but not a prophet.
 
what is so bad about Mormon?

Okay Muhammad was a human being...

Muhammad is the central prophet of the Islamic faith. Born into the noble Quraish clan, he was orphaned at an early age. He grew up to be a successful merchant, then turned contemplative; Muslims believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Muhammad in a dream or trance when he was 40. He awoke convinced that the angel had revealed to him a message from Allah, or God, preserved on a tablet in heaven and now to be "recited" to the world. Muhammad spent the rest of his life winning converts and uniting Arabia behind the faith known as Islam (meaning "submission"), now one of the world's largest religions. His revelations, memorized and written down by followers, became Islam's holy book, the Koran (or Quran, meaning "The Recital").
 
Yeah, Mohammed claimed to be a messenger. And yes, not surprising many fall into his teaching. Like Jesus said, many will follow the anit christ. Anti christ not only mean as like in Revelation. He meant false teaching or leading people away from Christ. Like Mohammed experience is similar as John Smith who established Mormon. Claiming Jesus appeared before him. Even large number of Mormons. Bec both Mohammed and Mormons contradict the OT and not even one glimpse of describing either one. Just like during Jeremiah described, some false prophets claimed God told them, and God was furious and told Jeremiah the harsh words against those false prophets, bec confuse the people. This apply for us today as Jesus warned and told us to be alert of many false prophets or teaching (anti christ).
 
Muhammad
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For other people named Muhammad, see Muhammad (disambiguation).
Muhammad, Arabic: محمد‎ muḥammad; also Mohammed and other variants,[1] (c. 571 – 632) established the religion of Islam and the Muslim community.[2] Muslims believe him to have been God's (Allah) final prophet in Islam, to whom the Qur'an was revealed. According to traditional Muslim biographers, Muhammad was born c. 570 in Mecca and died June 8, 632 in Medina, both in the Hejaz region of present day Saudi Arabia.

Summary
"Muhammad" in Arabic calligraphy.Born ibn `Abdu'llah ibn `Abdu'l-Muttalib, the man who later came to be called Muhammad was said to have initially been a merchant who traveled widely. Muhammad often retreated to a cave in the mountains outside Mecca, for contemplation. Muslims believe that in 610, at about the age of forty, while in a cave in the mountain called Hira, he was visited by the Angel Gabriel, who commanded him to recite the verses sent by God. These verses were later collected as part of the Qur'an (which was revealed to him over a period of about twenty-three years until his death).

He expanded his mission as a prophet, publicly preaching strict monotheism and warning of a Day of Judgment when all humans shall be held responsible for their deeds. He did not completely reject Judaism and Christianity, two other monotheistic faiths known to the Arabs, but said that he had been sent by God in order to complete and perfect those teachings.

Many in Mecca resented his preaching and persecuted him and his followers. Eventually, in 622, he was forced to move out of Mecca in a journey known to Muslims as the Hijra (the Migration). He settled in the area of Yathrib (now known as Medina) with his followers, where he was the leader of the first avowedly Muslim community.

The Meccans started attacking Medina to destroy the Islamic state. Even though the attacking armies were several times stronger in numbers and in weaponry, Muslims defeated these invaders every time they attacked. Muslims finally attacked Mecca under the leadership of Mohammad after eight years of Hijra and took control of the city. The Muslims subsequently removed all idols from the Kaaba. Most of the townspeople accepted Islam. Deputations began to come in from other Arabian tribes. The conditions for their adherence were: the acceptance of Islam, the destruction of idols, and the payment of the 'zakat' (tax) for the support of the Muslim community. In March 632, Mohammed led the pilgrimage, the Hajj. On returning to Medina he fell ill and died after a few days, on June 8.

Under Muhammad's immediate successors, the Islamic empire expanded into Palestine, Syria, Mesopotamia, Persia, Egypt, North Africa, and Iberia. Later conquests, commercial contact between Muslims and non-Muslims, and missionary activity spread Islam over much of the Eastern Hemisphere, including China and Southeast Asia.

Genealogy
"Muhammad" in Arabic calligraphy.Muhammad traced his genealogy back as far as Adnan, whom the northern Arabs believed to be their common ancestor. Adnan in turn is said to have been a descendant of Ishmael, son of Abraham, though the exact genealogy is disputed. Muhammad's genealogy up to Adnan is as follows:

Muhammad is the son of Abd Allah, who is son of Abd al-Muttalib (Shaiba) son of Hashim (Amr) ibn Abd Manaf (al-Mughira) son of Qusai (Zaid) ibn Kilab ibn Murra son of Ka`b ibn Lu'ay son of Ghalib ibn Fahr (Quraish) son of Malik ibn an-Nadr (Qais) the son of Kinana son of Khuzaimah son of Mudrikah (Amir) son of Ilyas aon of Mudar son of Nizar son of Ma`ad ibn Adnan. (ibn means "son of" in Arabic; alternate names of people with two names are given in parentheses.) [4]

He was also called Abu-Qaasim (meaning "father of Qaasim") by some, after his short-lived first son.

Muhammad, according to some apparently authentic accounts, was of average height or a little above the average. His chest and shoulders were broad, and altogether he was of sturdy build. His arms were long, and his hands and feet rough. His forehead was large and prominent, and he had a hooked nose and large black eyes with a touch of brown. The hair of his head was long and thick, straight or slightly curled. His beard also was thick, and he had a thin line of fine hair on his neck and chest. His cheeks were spare, his mouth large, and he had a pleasant smile. In complexion he was fair. He always walked as if he was rushing downhill, and others had difficulty in keeping up with him. When he turned in any direction, he did so with his whole body. He was given to sadness, and there were long periods of silence when he was deep in thought; yet he never rested but was always busy with something. He never spoke unnecessarily. What he said was always to the point and sufficient to make his meaning clear, but there was no padding. From the first to last he spoke rapidly. Over his feelings he had a firm control. When he was annoyed he would turn aside; when he was pleased, he lowered his eyes. His time was carefully apportioned according to the various demands on him. In his dealings with people he was above all tactful. He could be severe at times, though in the main he was not rough but gentle. His laugh was mostly a smile.
Of the many stories illustrating his gentleness and tenderness of feeling, some at least are worthy of credence...

He seems to have been specially fond of children and to have got on well with them. Perhaps it was the yearning of a man who saw all his sons die as infants. Much of his paternal affection went to his adopted son Zayd. He was also attached to his younger cousin 'Ali ibn-Abi-Talib, who had been a member of his household for a time; but he doubtless realized that 'Ah had not the makings of a successful statesman. For a time a grand-daughter called Umamah was a favourite. He would carry her on his shoulder during the public prayers, setting her down when he bowed or prostrated, then picking her up again. On one occasion he teased his wives by showing them a necklace and saying he would give it to the one who was dearest to him; when he thought their feelings were sufficiently agitated, he presented it not to any of them, but to Umamah.

He was able to enter into the spirit of childish games and had many friends among children. He had fun with the children who came back from Abyssinia and spoke Abyssinian. In one house in Medina there was a small boy with whom he was accustomed to have jokes. One day he found the small boy looking very sad, and asked what was the matter. When he was told that his pet nightingale had died, he did what he could to comfort him. His kindness extended even to animals, which is remarkable for Muhammad's century and part of the world. As his men marched towards Mecca just before the conquest they passed a bitch with puppies; and Muhammad not merely gave orders that they were not to be disturbed, but posted a man to see that the orders were carried out.[5]


Childhood
Muhammad was born into a well-to-do family settled in the northern Arabian town of Mecca. Some calculate his birthdate as having been 20 April 570, while Shi'a Muslims believe it to have been 26 April 570. Other sources calculate the year of his birth to have been 571; tradition places it in the Year of the Elephant. Muhammad's father, Abdullah, had died almost six months before he was born and the young boy was brought up by his paternal grandfather Abd al-Muttalib, of the Banu Hashim clan of the Quraish tribe. At the age of six, Muhammad lost his mother Amina. When he was eight years of age, his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib, who had become his guardian, also died. Muhammad now came under the care of his uncle Abu Talib, the new leader of the Hashim clan of the Quraish tribe, the most powerful in Mecca.

Mecca was a thriving commercial centre, due in great part to a stone temple (now called the Kaaba) that housed many different cult figures (idols). Merchants from various tribes would visit Mecca during the pilgrimage season, when all inter-tribal warfare was forbidden and they could trade in safety. While still in his teens, Muhammad began accompanying his uncle on trading journeys to Syria. He thus became well-travelled and knowledgeable as to foreign ways.


Middle years
Muhammad became a merchant. One of his employers was Khadijah, a forty-year-old widow. She was impressed with Muhammad's character and intelligence, and proposed to him in the year 595. Muhammad consented to the marriage, which by all accounts was a happy one.

Ibn Ishaq records that Khadijah bore Muhammad six children: two sons named Al Qasem and Abdullah (who is also called Al Tayeb and Al Taher) and four daughters. All of Khadija's children were born before Muhammad received his first revelation. His son Qasim died at the age of two. The four daughters are said to be Zainab, Ruqayyah, Umm Kulthum, and Fatima.

The Shi'a say that Muhammad had only the one daughter, Fatima, and that the other daughters were either children of Khadijah by her previous marriage, or children of her sister.



The first revelations
Muhammad had a reflective turn of mind and routinely spent nights in a cave (Hira) near Mecca in meditation and thought. Muslims believe that around the year 610, while meditating, Muhammad was visited by the Angel Gabriel.

His wife Khadijah and her Christian cousin Waraqah ibn Nawfal were the first to believe that Muhammad was a prophet. They were soon followed by Muhammad's ten-year-old cousin Ali ibn Abi Talib, close friend Abu Bakr and adopted son Zaid bin Haarith. (The identity of the first male Muslim is a hotly debated topic.)



Around 613, Muhammad began to spread his message amongst the people. Most of those who heard his message ignored it. A few mocked him. Others believed and joined him.

In 619, both Muhammad's wife Khadijah and his uncle Abu Talib died; it was known as aamul hazn ("the year of sorrows.") Muhammad's own clan withdrew their protection of him. Muslims patiently endured persecution: ostracism, an economic embargo and consequent poverty and hunger, even beatings and death threats..


Muslims believe that the Jerusalem mosque on the Temple Mount known as the Masjid al-Aqsa or furthest mosque, is the site from which Muhammad ascended to Heaven.

After Khadija's death, Muhammad had married Aisha, the daughter of his friend Abu Bakr (who would later emerge as the first leader of the Muslims after Muhammad's death). In Medina, he married Hafsah, daughter of Umar (who would eventually become Abu Bakr's successor).

Muhammad's daughter Fatima married Ali, Muhammad's cousin. According to the Sunni, another daughter, Umm Kulthum, married Uthman. Each of these men, in later years, would emerge as successors to Muhammad and political leaders of the Muslims.

Muhammad married Safiyya bint Huyayy, daughter of the Banu Nadir chief, and who claimed direct lineage from the biblical and Quranic Prophet Aaron.

In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than ten thousand men. After some scattered skirmishes, in which only twenty-four Meccans were killed,[reference needed] the Muslims seized Mecca. Muhammad promised a general amnesty to all but a few of the Meccans. Most Meccans converted to Islam, and Muhammad destroyed the idols in the Kaaba. Henceforth the pilgrimage would be a Muslim pilgrimage and the shrine a Muslim shrine.


Muhammad as a military leader
Main article: Muhammad as a general
For most of the sixty-three years of his life, Muhammad was a merchant, then a religious leader. He took up the sword late in his life. He was an active military leader for ten years.


Family life
Main article: Muhammad's marriages
From 595 to 619, Muhammad had only one wife, Khadijah. After her death, he married Sawda bint Zama and Aisha (which marriage came first is disputed), then Hafsa. Later he was to marry more wives, to make for a total of eleven, of whom nine or ten were living at the time of his death. The status of Maria al-Qibtiyya is disputed; she may have been a slave, a freed slave, or a wife.

Muhammad had children by only two of these unions. Khadijah is said to have borne him four daughters and a son; only one daughter, Fatima, survived her father. Shi'a Muslims dispute the number of Muhammad's children, claiming that he had only one daughter, and that the other "daughters" were step-daughters. Maria al-Qibtiyya bore him a son, but the child died when he was ten months old.

Muhammad's marriages have been the subject of some criticism. Some consider it wrong that he had more wives than the four generally allowed by the Qur'an (although one Qur'anic verse makes an exception for Muhammad). They question the circumstances of some of his marriages, such as those to Zaynab bint Jahsh, his adopted son's ex-wife, and to Aisha, who according to hadith was nine years old when the marriage was consummated.[33] (though there is reason to believe that she was in fact older and that the hadiths that state she was nine are weak). [34]



Death
One day, upon returning from a visit to a cemetery, Muhammad became very ill. He suffered for several days with head pain and weakness. Muhammad finally succumbed to his malady around noon on Monday, June 8, 632, in the city of Madina, at the age of sixty-three. He is buried in the Mosque of the Prophet in Madina.


Descendants
Muhammad was survived by his daughter Fatima and her children. Some say that he had a daughter Zainab, who had borne a daughter, Amma or Umama, who survived him as well.

Descendants of Muhammad are known by sharifs شريف (plural: ِأشراف Ashraaf). Many rulers and notables in Muslim countries, past and present, claim such descent, with various degrees of credibility, such as the Fatimid dynasty of North Africa, the Idrisids, and the current royal families of Jordan and Morocco. In various Muslim countries, there are societies that authenticate claims of descent; some societies are more credible than others.



Many Muslims believe that as an infant Muhammad was placed with a Bedouin wetnurse, Halima Sadia, as desert life was believed to be safer and healthier for children. Many stories are told of his life in the desert.

After he returned to Mecca, he is said to have been beloved by all around him because he was such a polite and honest child.

As a youth, he was called upon to solve a vexing political problem for his Meccan neighbors. They were rebuilding the Kaaba and feuding over which clan should have the honor of raising the Black Stone into place. Muhammad suggested that the heads of each clan raise the Black Stone on a cloth, so that all had the honor of lifting it. Muhammad then put the stone into its place.

As a young man and a merchant, Muhammad was known to be trustworthy and honest. The other Meccans called him "Al-Amin", the trustworthy one or the honest one. [35] After he proclaimed his prophethood, however, his neighbors turned against him.

Some humanists see Muhammad, like Jesus and Buddha, as an important ethical leader.
 
If King James can rewrite or translate the Bible, why can't John Smith or Muhammad? Why they can't translate or add their testament?

Luke, Matthew, John, and Bible written by men, why they the only
people can write the Bible?

:dunno:
 
FreedummyRing said:
If King James can rewrite or translate the Bible, why can't John Smith or Muhammad? Why they can't translate or add their testament?

Luke, Matthew, John, and Bible written by men, why they the only
people can write the Bible?

:dunno:

King James had no hand in the translation of the Bible other than authorizing it. The Bible was dictated by the Holy Spirit. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God (Theopnuestos: literally translated, God Breathed)" God dictated the Bible to men, who wrote it down. Translation is a lot different from rewriting. Translation is the same as interpretation. If you were interpreting the phrase "We are going to a meeting tomorrow," You definitely wouldn't say, "We're having a meeting next week." You would interpret it, "Tomorrow, meeting, we go," in ASL syntax (correction on syntax if needed, please). That is the difference between rewriting and interpretation.

To answer your question, there is plenty of basis for the fact that the Q'uran was not inspired. If it were inspired, it would not contradict the Bible, which it does on multiple points. There is only one way to heaven, and it is not based on works. It is based on our faith and God's grace. Salvation is "By grace, through faith, not of ourselves it is a gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast."

PS: I do not know what you were trying to accomplish with the wikipedia post. I don't care what Muhhamed's history was. It is irrelevant to the argument.
 
Truthfully, even Mohammed could translate just like King James. But He chose otherwise. But yes, that's what we believe also that Mohammed is descendants from Ishmael, where Abraham slept with Haggar after when Sarah persuade Abraham to sleep with Haggar to bear a child which that time Sarah forgot God's promise for her to havea child, but instead pushing her husband to sleep with Haggar to have a child, where Haggar had a son name Ishmael. God bless the child, but as a chosen for the Messiah lineage be from Isaac.
 
christlovedeaf said:
Truthfully, even Mohammed could translate just like King James. But He chose otherwise. But yes, that's what we believe also that Mohammed is descendants from Ishmael, where Abraham slept with Haggar after when Sarah persuade Abraham to sleep with Haggar to bear a child which that time Sarah forgot God's promise for her to havea child, but instead pushing her husband to sleep with Haggar to have a child, where Haggar had a son name Ishmael. God bless the child, but as a chosen for the Messiah lineage be from Isaac.

True, the current conflict between Israel and Lebanon fulfills the prophecy that the children of Isaac and the children of Ishmael would constantly be fighting.
 
In Jesus's Genealogy in Luke, he was descendant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah.

Judah's parents were Jacob and Leah, not Rachel.

So, my point is, just because Haggar isn't Abraham's wife, doesn't
mean Ishamael's side of the family isn't God's favorite.

Jacob didn't love Leah, but God allowed Leah to have kids by Jacob.

Ishamael was born for a reason... and we have Islam here.
We need to get along with Muslims. We shouldn't exclude anybody,
because we are all God's children, right?
 
FreedummyRing said:
In Jesus's Genealogy in Luke, he was descendant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah.

Judah's parents were Jacob and Leah, not Rachel.

So, my point is, just because Haggar isn't Abraham's wife, doesn't
mean Ishamael's side of the family isn't God's favorite.

Jacob didn't love Leah, but God allowed Leah to have kids by Jacob.

Ishamael was born for a reason... and we have Islam here.
We need to get along with Muslims. We shouldn't exclude anybody,
because we are all God's children, right?
You are correct about Leah and Rachel. As you said about the fighting up in Israel and Lebanon described it. God said that will be happening.. The problem is this, as a religion goes, during the time of somes jews overlook and blinded by the OT about the Messiah and overlooked and lack of understanding about the role of Messiah. Jesus has fulfilled the prophet except the rebuilding Temple and reinging, bec that when they didn't look carefully and overlooked about His returning. As fighting goes, the problem is this, they resist God's grace which is for all people. This is why Jesus came to die for all of us to bring all of us to be with Him. But many refuse.
 
FreedummyRing said:
In Jesus's Genealogy in Luke, he was descendant of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Judah.

Judah's parents were Jacob and Leah, not Rachel.

So, my point is, just because Haggar isn't Abraham's wife, doesn't
mean Ishamael's side of the family isn't God's favorite.

Jacob didn't love Leah, but God allowed Leah to have kids by Jacob.

Ishamael was born for a reason... and we have Islam here.
We need to get along with Muslims. We shouldn't exclude anybody,
because we are all God's children, right?

True, on the lineage. However, God also said that the promise was not given to Ishmael, but to the one promised to him AND sarai. We don't exclude Arabs, we exclude the religion of Islam. God's children are adopted. You get adopted through salvation. Salvation follows the acceptance of Jesus Christ God's Son, His sacrifice, and His ressurection. Period. No other way to heaven but through Him.
 
FreedummyRing said:
So, my point is, just because Haggar isn't Abraham's wife, doesn't
mean Ishamael's side of the family isn't God's favorite.
Genesis 17
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.



Ishamael was born for a reason...
The reason Ishmael was born was because at first, Abraham and Sarah didn't have enough faith in God, and they disobeyed God. They trusted their own decisions and solutions rather than trusting God's word.


...and we have Islam here.
That is one of the consequences of the disobedience of Abraham and Sarah.


We need to get along with Muslims.
The problem is, they don't want to get along with non-Muslims.


... we are all God's children, right?
Wrong.
 
Reba said:
Genesis 17
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.




The reason Ishmael was born was because at first, Abraham and Sarah didn't have enough faith in God, and they disobeyed God. They trusted their own decisions and solutions rather than trusting God's word.



That is one of the consequences of the disobedience of Abraham and Sarah.



The problem is, they don't want to get along with non-Muslims.



Wrong.


Ding Ding ding! We have a winner! :gpost:
 
Reba said:
Genesis 17
18 And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee! 19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
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12 princes, 12 tribes....

These twelve rulers, the twelve sons of Ishmael, were named Nebaioth, Kedar, Adbeel, Mibsam, Mishma, Dumah, Massa, Hadad, Tema, Jetur, Naphish, and Kedemah (See Genesis 25)

Ishmael also had a daughter named Mahalath or Bashemath (Gen 36:3). Esau married her since he wanted to please his parents (Gen 28:9).

Isaac was pleased with Esau marrying his first cousin Mahalath or Bashemath,
isn't that incest??????????????? :dunno:
 
In Genesis 28:6,

Esau noticed that Isaac blessed Jacob and sent him to Paddan-aram to get a wife there. When he blessed him, Isaac commanded Jacob not to marry a Canaanite woman. And Jacob listened to his father and mother and went to Paddan-aram. Esau relized that his father Isaac disapproved of the Canaanite women, in addition to his other wives, Mahalath daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son. She was the sister of Nebaioth.
 
Reba said:
The problem is, they don't want to get along with non-Muslims.

I take it you don't know any Muslims? Many Muslims are somewhat invisible in their communities - they don't make a big deal out of their religion, and they don't dress like they would in the Middle East. Headscarves are about the only obvious outward sign in a non-clerical Muslim, and not all women believe that keeping hijab demands that.

You see war in the Middle East between Jews, Christians, and Muslims; I see Jews, Christians, Muslims and others living peacefully together outside the Middle East. The problem with talking about they is that it creates an adversarial relationship that, shocking though you may find this, does not exist.

In fact, I would ask you: have you (and many others on this board who call themselves Christian) shown any desire to get along with Muslims - or other non-Christians, for that matter? I suspect the flaw lies with individuals (you among them) and not with an entire religious and cultural group.
 
That is sad, I just read up about Edom, Esau's land, disappeared. Israel destroyed Edom...

Jacob stole Esau's blessing??? And Esau rebelled and now his land disappeared.
 
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