Chick Fil a - thank you

[Foxrac]

Remember, religious discussion ARE NOT allowed in alldeaf forum.

Keep all RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION out of my thread.

Please respect my wish with this thread.

 

[Steinhauer]

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I have no problem with that as long as gay "marriage" is kept out of religion. Trying to include gay marriage in Christianity did not work too well with the Episcopalians. Their entire denomination split.

 

[Foxrac]

I have no problem with that as long as gay "marriage" is kept out of religion. Trying to include gay marriage in Christianity did not work too well with the Episcopalians. Their entire denomination split.

Wow, you aren't respect my wish with this thread.

The gay marriage has with religion and it is hot issue.

There are a lot of gay Christians got married at church.

Episcopal Church supports gay people and they approved gay marriage.
Episcopal Church approves same-sex blessing service - CNN

There are more mainstream Christians support gay marriage, it is big portion of religion pie, that why more than 50% Americans support gay marriage.

It looks like you are really ignorant about come with gay rights and that shows you truly doesn't know about gay people. If you say Christians who support gay marriage aren't true Christian so you are not true Christian because you support bigot and bias toward at gay people.

 

[impaired]

Remember, religious discussion ARE NOT allowed in alldeaf forum.

Keep all RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION out of my thread.

Please respect my wish with this thread.

It's interesting you say that. After all most of this thread has been discussion of religion. What's even more astounding is that any layperson can confidently concluded from the very first post that this thread concerns religion.

As others of the same caliber have said, "the proof is in the pudding"...

Wow, you aren't respect my wish with this thread.

The gay marriage has with religion and it is hot issue.

There are a lot of gay Christians got married at church.

Episcopal Church supports gay people and they approved gay marriage.
Episcopal Church approves same-sex blessing service - CNN

There are more mainstream Christians support gay marriage, it is big portion of religion pie, that why more than 50% Americans support gay marriage.

It looks like you are really ignorant about come with gay rights and that shows you truly doesn't know about gay people. If you say Christians who support gay marriage aren't true Christian so you are not true Christian because you support bigot and bias toward at gay people.

 

[Foxrac]

It's interesting you say that. After all most of this thread has been discussion of religion. What's even more astounding is that any layperson can confidently concluded from the very first post that this thread concerns religion.

As others of the same caliber have said, "the proof is in the pudding"...

I have no choice because some AD members are too stubborn and continue to argue until thread gets locked. I'm trying to prevent my thread from getting locked but too difficult for some members to get under control, especially Jiro and Steinhauer. When Steinhauer response to my post and he chose to continue so I decided to have argue through it out. It will pretty not much complete if it get locked up.

My thread is point about CFA change in the donation until AD members decided to derail my thread with off topic, not related with CFA.

Originally, I was Christian until few AD members, especially Steinhauer is one of them, destroyed my religion after got in nasty attack about relation between gay people and Christianity in current events section. The Christianity is pretty universe and it have many different chapters or groups. There are some Christians opposed to gay marriage but some of them support gay marriage. The churches do have own views about homosexuality, and some do support, some don't support. There are many different types of Christianity and it is really large group. The GLBT has already integrated into some types of Christianity, it is really depending on groups or chapters.

Steinhauer, my attempt to destroy your religion isn't going happen if you choose to respect my religion, I'm on different type of Christian and you are on different side too. Your chapter doesn't believe in gay marriage and my chapter does believe in gay marriage.

 

[impaired]

I have no choice because some AD members are too stubborn and continue to argue until thread gets locked. I'm trying to prevent my thread from getting locked but too difficult for some members to get under control, especially Jiro and Steinhauer. When Steinhauer response to my post and he chose to continue so I decided to have argue through it out. It will pretty not much complete if it get locked up.

My thread is point about CFA change in the donation until AD members decided to derail my thread with off topic, not related with CFA.

Originally, I was Christian until few AD members, especially Steinhauer is one of them, destroyed my religion after got in nasty attack about relation between gay people and Christianity in current events section. The Christianity is pretty universe and it have many different chapters or groups. There are some Christians opposed to gay marriage but some of them support gay marriage. The churches do have own views about homosexuality, and some do support, some don't support. There are many different types of Christianity and it is really large group. The GLBT has already integrated into some types of Christianity, it is really depending on groups or chapters.

Steinhauer, my attempt to destroy your religion isn't going happen if you choose to respect my religion, I'm on different type of Christian and you are on different side too. Your chapter doesn't believe in gay marriage and my chapter does believe in gay marriage.

Do you believe what the bible says is true? I think CFA does.

 

[Foxrac]

Do you believe what the bible says is true? I think CFA does.

I don't follow all bible verses, just like not all Christians follow all of them. I only follow about love and spirit.

There are some deaf gay Christians at deaf church in our metro and they only focus on spirit and love.

 

[Reba]

I want to tell you a little story about the Chick-Fil-a I use to go to. Years ago when I went to the mall after I did my shopping I would go to the food court. At the time Burgerking was always in the spotlight around here and had huge crowds. A few places down was a Chick-Fil-a and there was never anyone there except maybe a few people on and off. Well I use to eat at the Chick-Fil-a simply because I liked chicken and they had good waffle fries and cole slaw and plus no lines ever. Well years pass and Chick-Fil-a was in the news with all this stuff going on and they got huge crowds and guess what happened with burgerking. Burgerkings crowds got smaller. Now this is the interesting part. I have seen how the cycle works with these places at least around here and I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that once Chick-Fil-a becomes yesterdays news that they will once again take a back seat to the all mighty whopper like they have been doing for over 15 years. There is 2 ways to make a business grow and it is more then supply and demand. It is supply and commercialism. You know the saying any publicity is good publicity. What do you think will happen after people lose interest in the Chick-Fil-a debacle?

The mall and freestanding CFA's around here have always been busy, and they keep expanding. They've been around this area for years, and they've always kept busy. I don't see them needing any publicity for their business. They're just plain popular.

 

[Foxrac]

The mall and freestanding CFA's around here have always been busy, and they keep expanding. They've been around this area for years, and they've always kept busy. I don't see them needing any publicity for their business. They're just plain popular.

Yup, that's true and CFA at our university is extremely busy, and overcrowded during lunch hours.

 

[Reba]

I am going to end this once and for all.

I doubt it.

This is a hypothetical so don't get mad. Imagine I said I was against blind or deaf people getting married.

That was a popular stance in the 19th Century, and into the 20th, thanks to AGB and others of like mind.

Now imagine I was in a large group that stated the same thing. Anyone and everyone would say it is a hate group. Even if the group made a bunch of excuses it would still be considered a hate group. Those anti gay marriage groups are the same thing.

Not at all. You can't compare a physical condition (blindness or deafness) with a sexual behavior (homosexuality).

The only and I mean only valid argument against same sex marriage is it is against the bible.

No, it's not "against the bible (sic)." It's against God's design of man and woman, and His establishment of the marriage relationship.

It's not the only valid argument against same sex marriage but it's the best and most important.

However there are more then just 1 valid reason why same sex marriage should be legalized.

The reasons are not of equal weight. Just numbers of reasons, pro or con, can't be valued by quantity alone.

Not to mention seeing as there is suppose to be a separation of church and state there is really no valid argument against same sex marriage.

The Constitution protects Americans in their religious worship. The so-called separation is there to prevent the government from interfering with their practice of religion, or from forcing a state religion on its citizens.

So by all means please anyone try to explain to me how a group that gets there rocks off on ruining the futures of other is not considered a hate group.

Since no one "gets there (sic) rocks off on ruining the futures of other (sic)," your statement can't be explained.

 

[Reba]

that's probably because people are elated to see a corporation publicly stated its view.

If only more would, eh?

 

[Reba]

...any group is free to express whatever the views they have even if they're racist and bigot but they are not free to exercise their free speech if it promotes/condones/supports hate/violence/discrimination.

so bottom line - if there is a group of people with a view that is not 100% inclusive in terms of civil rights, then it's a hate group

According to the FBI, a hate group is:

"An organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization, e.g., the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/hcguidelinesdc99.pdf

 

[rolling7]

According to the FBI, a hate group is:

"An organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization, e.g., the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/hcguidelinesdc99.pdf

I've looked and looked again and can not find a official link to a FBI listing of hate group(s). I would assume since there is not a government authorized listing everyone and his brother/sister is free to declare any and all group(s) as a hate group(s).

 

[Foxrac]

I've looked and looked again and can not find a official link to a FBI listing of hate group(s). I would assume since there is not a government authorized listing everyone and his brother/sister is free to declare any and all group(s) as a hate group(s).

FBI just list simply in word - look at bold in Reba's quote.

According to the FBI, a hate group is:

"An organization whose primary purpose is to promote animosity, hostility, and malice against persons belonging to a race, religion, disability, sexual orientation, or ethnicity/national origin which differs from that of the members of the organization, e.g., the Ku Klux Klan, American Nazi Party."

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/hate-crime/hcguidelinesdc99.pdf

Unlike ADL and SPLC list in full, FBI only list in simple matter, as followed in definition above.

For example, if Family Research Council support or authorize members to beat or kill the gay people because of sex orientation so FBI will involve and make investigation based on hate crime. Now, at point, FRC hasn't and they just make aggressive verbal against on all type of homosexuality.

Also, FBI works with SPLC and ADL to access the hate groups, it is part of resource.

 

[rolling7]

FBI just list simply in word - look at bold in Reba's quote.



Unlike ADL and SPLC list in full, FBI only list in simple matter, as followed in definition above.

For example, if Family Research Council support or authorize members to beat or kill the gay people because of sex orientation so FBI will involve and make investigation based on hate crime. Now, at point, FRC hasn't and they just make aggressive verbal against on all type of homosexuality.

Also, FBI works with SPLC and ADL to access the hate groups, it is part of resource.

Well ok, I agree with you. I just hope that the FBI is also working with anyone and everyone to access NBPP. Although I doubt A.G. Holder will allow that.

 

[Foxrac]

I'm not homosexual because I'm neither gay or lesbian. The definition about homosexuality is attract of same sex only - gay and lesbian.

I'm bisexual, of course because I attract both of genders. That's called bisexuality, just separate from homosexuality.

I haven't meet any ADers in real life, even not anyone from Gally during my time. You will not know about my sex orientation until I tell you. Usually I notice some people could tell if it is gay, lesbian or straight by define the behavior. Not all of behaviors can be defined based on sex orientation. You know that some straight men are feminine, just behave like girly but not gay, even some straight women are masculine, behave like man/boy. I'm 100% pure man and completely man behavior so people don't know about sex orientation. I have full man attitude as well. I'm pretty similar to Duane Lee Chapman from Dog the Bounty Hunter, in behavior and attitude. It is just like you see common men with man behavior.

It is easy to make misconception about sex orientation and it is just hard to understand.

Finally, not all behaviors are determined based on sex orientation.

 

[Foxrac]

Well ok, I agree with you. I just hope that the FBI is also working with anyone and everyone to access NBPP. Although I doubt A.G. Holder will allow that.

What access NBPP? Are you kidding me?

NBPP is classified as hate group by SPLC too. I don't know about FBI because NBPP probably haven't used any physical threat against people that differ from their member, just only aggressive, stronger verbal attack against on people whoever aren't black or in other groups. For example, if NBPP did kill white man because of race so it will be hate crime so FBI will take this case very seriously. They only need have strong evidence.

 

[ladysolitary85]

While that's nice and all, I still wont eat there lol

 

[Steinhauer]

Chick-fil-A CEO Denies Giving ‘Concessions’ to Open Chicago Restaurant - ABC News

Chick fil-A has “made no … concessions” regarding its support of groups that oppose gay marriage, company CEO Dan Cathy said in a statement that was posted online by Mike Huckabee, denying a statement by a Chicago alderman that the company said it would reevaluate its policies in the face of a move by city officials to bar Chick-fil-A from opening a restaurant there.

“Chick-fil-A made no such concessions, and we remain true to who we are and who we have been,” Cathy said in the statement. “There continues to be erroneous implications in the media that Chick-fil-A changed our practices and priorities in order to obtain permission for a new restaurant in Chicago. That is incorrect.”

Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno told ABC News Wednesday that he had received a letter from Chick-fil-A’s senior director of real estate saying the company had decided to re-evaluate the multimillion-dollar donations it gives to anti-gay marriage activists and other groups with “political agendas.”

“The WinShape Foundations is now taking a much closer look at the organizations it considers helping, and in that process will remain true to its stated philosophy of not supporting organizations with political agendas,” the letter said.

A representative from Chick-fil-A did not return calls made by ABC News by press time to explain the letter.

While the company memo “Chick-fil-A: Who We Are,” released last week, does use language quoted by Moreno, the document goes on to reaffirm the company’s commitment to funding pro-marriage groups, although the document does not clarify as to which groups.

“Chick-fil-A supports programs and marriage retreats to help strengthen and enrich marriages. More than 4,000 couples benefit annually from these programs, including military personnel and sports coaches that received scholarships.” [Click here to view the entire company document.]

Previously the company’s WinShape Foundation gave money to groups like the Family Research Council and the Alliance Defense Fund — donations that rekindled a firestorm among pro-gay groups. The Southern Poverty Law Center classifies the Family Research Council as a “hate group,” as displayed on the group’s “hate map.”

Moreno raised the stakes last month when he threatened to block the construction of a Chick -fil-A restaurant, a move that prompted Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel to side with Moreno, declaring that “Chick-fil-A’s values are not Chicago’s values.”

I did not know that Chicago had any values

 

[rolling7]

Chick-fil-A CEO Denies Giving ‘Concessions’ to Open Chicago Restaurant - ABC News






I did not know that Chicago had any values

Of course they do. Most are negative and many are criminal.