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GRRRR I can't believe they actualy want to do the draft again. :fu2:

The secret is that no one in the news is talking about this bill being activated by April 2005.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.163:


A BILL
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.

(a) SHORT TITLE- This Act may be cited as the `Universal National Service Act of 2003'.
(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(b) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

(c) INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (b)(2).

SEC. 3. TWO-YEAR PERIOD OF NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.

(b) GROUNDS FOR EXTENSION- At the discretion of the President, the period of military service for a member of the uniformed services under this Act may be extended--

(1) with the consent of the member, for the purpose of furnishing hospitalization, medical, or surgical care for injury or illness incurred in line of duty; or

(2) for the purpose of requiring the member to compensate for any time lost to training for any cause.

(c) EARLY TERMINATION- The period of national service for a person under this Act shall be terminated before the end of such period under the following circumstances:

(1) The voluntary enlistment and active service of the person in an active or reverse component of the uniformed services for a period of at least two years, in which case the period of basic military training and education actually served by the person shall be counted toward the term of enlistment.

(2) The admission and service of the person as a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, or the United States Merchant Marine Academy.

(3) The enrollment and service of the person in an officer candidate program, if the person has signed an agreement to accept a Reserve commission in the appropriate service with an obligation to serve
on active duty if such a commission is offered upon completion of the program.


(4) Such other grounds as the President may establish.

SEC. 4. IMPLEMENTATION BY THE PRESIDENT.

(a) IN GENERAL- The President shall prescribe such regulations as are necessary to carry out this Act.

(b) MATTER TO BE COVERED BY REGULATIONS- Such regulations shall include specification of the following:

(1) The types of civilian service that may be performed for a person's national service obligation under this Act.

(2) Standards for satisfactory performance of civilian service and of penalties for failure to perform civilian service satisfactorily.

(3) The manner in which persons shall be selected for induction under this Act, including the manner in which those selected will be notified of such selection.

(4) All other administrative matters in connection with the induction of persons under this Act and the registration, examination, and classification of such persons.

(5) A means to determine questions or claims with respect to inclusion for, or exemption or deferment from induction under this Act, including questions of conscientious objection.

(6) Standards for compensation and benefits for persons performing their national service obligation under this Act through civilian service.

(7) Such other matters as the President determines necessary to carry out this Act.

(c) USE OF PRIOR ACT- To the extent determined appropriate by the President, the President may use for purposes of this Act the procedures provided in the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 451 et seq.), including procedures for registration, selection, and induction.

SEC. 5. INDUCTION.

(a) IN GENERAL- Every person subject to induction for national service under this Act, except those whose training is deferred or postponed in accordance with this Act, shall be called and inducted by the President for such service at the time and place specified by the President.

(b) AGE LIMITS- A person may be inducted under this Act only if the person has attained the age of 18 and has not attained the age of 26.

(c) VOLUNTARY INDUCTION- A person subject to induction under this Act may volunteer for induction at a time other than the time at which the person is otherwise called for induction.

(d) EXAMINATION; CLASSIFICATION- Every person subject to induction under this Act shall, before induction, be physically and mentally examined and shall be classified as to fitness to perform national service. The President may apply different classification standards for fitness for military service and fitness for civilian service.

SEC. 6. DEFERMENTS AND POSTPONEMENTS.

(a) HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS- A person who is pursuing a standard course of study, on a full-time basis, in a secondary school or similar institution of learning shall be entitled to have induction under this Act postponed until the person--

(1) obtains a high school diploma;

(2) ceases to pursue satisfactorily such course of study; or

(3) attains the age of 20.

(b) HARDSHIP AND DISABILITY- Deferments from national service under this Act may be made for--

(1) extreme hardship; or

(2) physical or mental disability.

(c) TRAINING CAPACITY- The President may postpone or suspend the induction of persons for military service under this Act as necessary to limit the number of persons receiving basic military training and education to the maximum number that can be adequately trained.

(d) TERMINATION- No deferment or postponement of induction under this Act shall continue after the cause of such deferment or postponement ceases.

SEC. 7. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS.

(a) QUALIFICATIONS- No person may be inducted for military service under this Act unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary concerned for training and meets the same health and physical qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of the Armed Forces.

(b) OTHER MILITARY SERVICE- No person shall be liable for induction under this Act who--

(1) is serving, or has served honorably for at least six months, in any component of the uniformed services on active duty; or

(2) is or becomes a cadet or midshipman at the United States Military Academy, the United States Naval Academy, the United States Air Force Academy, the Coast Guard Academy, the United States
Merchant Marine Academy, a midshipman of a Navy accredited State maritime academy, a member of the Senior Reserve Officers' Training Corps, or the naval aviation college program, so long as that person satisfactorily continues in and completes two years training therein.
 
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SEC. 8. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

(a) CLAIMS AS CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR- Any person selected under this Act for induction into the uniformed services who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of that military service and whose claim is sustained under such procedures as the President may prescribe, shall, when inducted, participate in military service that does not include any combatant training component.

(b) TRANSFER TO CIVILIAN SERVICE- Any such person whose claim is sustained may, at the discretion of the President, be transferred to a national service program for performance of such person's national service obligation under this Act.

SEC. 9. DISCHARGE FOLLOWING NATIONAL SERVICE.

(a) DISCHARGE- Upon completion or termination of the obligation to perform national service under this Act, a person shall be discharged from the uniformed services or from civilian service, as the case may be, and shall not be subject to any further service under this Act.

(b) COORDINATION WITH OTHER AUTHORITIES- Nothing in this section shall limit or prohibit the call to active service in the uniformed services of any person who is a member of a regular or reserve component of the uniformed services.

SEC. 10. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) REGISTRATION REQUIRED- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.

SEC. 11. RELATION OF ACT TO REGISTRATION AND INDUCTION AUTHORITY OF MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) REGISTRATION- Section 4 of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 454) is amended by inserting after subsection (g) the following new subsection:

`(h) This section does not apply with respect to the induction of persons into the Armed Forces pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'.

(b) INDUCTION- Section 17(c) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 467(c)) is amended by striking `now or hereafter' and all that follows through the period at the end and inserting `inducted pursuant to the Universal National Service Act of 2003.'.

SEC. 12. DEFINITIONS.

In this Act:

(1) The term `military service' means service performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services.

(2) The term `Secretary concerned' means the Secretary of Defense with respect to the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marine Corps, the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to the Coast Guard, the Secretary of Commerce, with respect to matters concerning the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Secretary of Health and Human Services, with respect to matters concerning the Public Health Service.

(3) The term `United States', when used in a geographical sense, means the several States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, and Guam.

(4) The term `uniformed services' means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, commissioned corps of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and commissioned corps of the Public Health Service.
 
You can fill out this form to prevent from your son who will turn 18 into the draft.

http://www.sss.gov

Selective Service System Registration form
 
Sabrina said:
You can fill out this form to prevent from your son who will turn 18 into the draft.

http://www.sss.gov

Selective Service System Registration form
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Interesting that the current bill was introduced by Democrats. Every draft since WWI has been introduced by Democrats. Democrat President Woodrow Wilson introduced the draft for WWI; Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt re-instated the draft for WWII; (the draft was ended in 1973 under Republican Richard Nixon, and registration was ended in 1975 under Republican Gerald Ford); and Democrat Jimmy Carter re-instated registration in 1980.

I wonder why Democrats want to re-instate the draft?

I wonder why Democrats want to add women to the draft?

Republicans don't support starting the draft again.
 
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SEC. 8. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.

(a) CLAIMS AS CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR- Any person selected under this Act for induction into the uniformed services who claims, because of religious training and belief (as defined in section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 456(j))), exemption from combatant training included as part of that military service and whose claim is sustained under such procedures as the President may prescribe, shall, when inducted, participate in military service that does not include any combatant training component.

(b) TRANSFER TO CIVILIAN SERVICE- Any such person whose claim is sustained may, at the discretion of the President, be transferred to a national service program for performance of such person's national service obligation under this Act.
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Interesting! I had no idea we had this part. In Germany, this is a very well exercised section, and I agree to doing that, to provide community service instead of engaging into combat.
 
kuifje75 said:
Interesting! I had no idea we had this part. In Germany, this is a very well exercised section, and I agree to doing that, to provide community service instead of engaging into combat.
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Of course this is a proposed bill, not a law yet. In previous wars, there was already set up a system for concientious objectors within the military. I don't see any reason to change it.

During the Korean War, my uncle was a concientious objector. He still served as a soldier in the Army, but he served as Chaplain's driver and assistant, not as a combatant. His Christian belief was that killing was wrong but he still served his country in a dangerous situation. Many others served in medical positions. They still took all the risks as the fighting soldiers, and served their country with honor and bravery.
 
Actually.....I read about this bill on an email list I'm on (a peace/anti-war email list). You....may not have to worry about this bill right now, as it's sponsored by several anti-war Democrats.

I've been told the bill will not be going through the committee it's been assigned to, simply because the sponsors of the bill - on top of females being drafted - made sure college was not an option to get out of the draft in the legislation (also, not mentioned in this bill is that the US have an agreement with Canada now to allow people to be sent back to the US should they flee from getting undrafted)...basically, it would allow most Congressman's children eligible for the draft - not a good thing for most Republicans.

TRANSLATION: don't worry. It won't pass.
 
Sabrina said:
You can fill out this form to prevent from your son who will turn 18 into the draft.
http://www.sss.gov

Selective Service System Registration form
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The on-line registration form does not prevent your son from the draft. Or do you mean another form? :confused:
 
Reba said:
Interesting that the current bill was introduced by Democrats. Every draft since WWI has been introduced by Democrats. Democrat President Woodrow Wilson introduced the draft for WWI; Democrat Franklin D. Roosevelt re-instated the draft for WWII; (the draft was ended in 1973 under Republican Richard Nixon, and registration was ended in 1975 under Republican Gerald Ford); and Democrat Jimmy Carter re-instated registration in 1980.

I wonder why Democrats want to re-instate the draft?

I wonder why Democrats want to add women to the draft?

Republicans don't support starting the draft again.
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ROFL.
This this just another LIE.
This present, brutal version of the draft is ENTIRELY the work of Bush and his Reblublican comrades, and is NOT to be confused with the version suggested by Congressman Charles Rangel in 2003.

Interesting that Reba first denies that there is any draft in the works, then when that failed, she is squawking that it is the Democrats' doing...
For the TRUTH go to
http://www,tbrnews.org/Archives/a1103.htm
 
Well that was until I received an e-mail this two days ago from my friend, (bless her) she sent me documents concerning twin bills S89 & HR163 which are presently and quietly being pushed through the House and Congress to re-establish the mandatory draft for all males and females between the ages of 18 and 26. I hate to say it, however in light of this revelation

Ahhh! That thought makes me want to vomit. However I am avidly against the idea of implementing a mandatory draft. It is a bad idea. Our military works best now, because the people who are there have volunteered to be there. You are opening a whole new can of worms when you force individuals to serve where they do not wish to.

they are just waiting for the president to say GO FOR IT....

My friend Rich's son deploys next weekend for Iraq. He is going over the live w/ the iraqi army....to train them how to fight. Does that make sense? We are sending american drill sargeants over there to train the iraqis how to fight ...fight who...us? WTF....I dont get it. There is a 40 percent casualty rate amongs americans on this iraqi base....so we are both very concerned.

There is so much I dont understand...i hope they don do the damn draft again. Just going to make alot of kids RUN out of the country cuz they have been watching this crap on the news for so long...why would they want to go thru the draft....... :thumbd:

Deploy means his reserve unit is being shipped off to iraq. They have to go to Montana and train for medical because if they get hurt over there they will NOT med flight them out of the iraqi base..so they have to learn to take care of each other. Then they go to iraq in a month.

It is really scary !! :shock:
 
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Reba said:
The on-line registration form does not prevent your son from the draft. Or do you mean another form? :confused:
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U.S. Postal Office has the form. You can fill it out. I did this last year before my older son turns 18. Younger son will be 18 in December. We need to fill the form out to prevent from the draft...
 
Beowulf said:
ROFL.
This this just another LIE.
This present, brutal version of the draft is ENTIRELY the work of Bush and his Reblublican comrades, and is NOT to be confused with the version suggested by Congressman Charles Rangel in 2003.

Interesting that Reba first denies that there is any draft in the works, then when that failed, she is squawking that it is the Democrats' doing...
For the TRUTH go to
http://www,tbrnews.org/Archives/a1103.htm
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I did not state that a draft is going to happen. I was referring to Sabrina's posted bill. A bill is not yet a law. It was proposed by Democrats. That is a fact.

108th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 163​
To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.


IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 7, 2003​
Mr. RANGEL (for himself, Mr. MCDERMOTT, Mr. CONYERS, Mr. LEWIS of Georgia, Mr. STARK, and Mr. ABERCROMBIE) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Armed Services
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Each one of the sponsoring representatives is a Democrat. That is the truth.
 
Beowulf,

Your "source" is not exactly "official" in any way. There are many suspicious lines in the text. Are you sure someone is not pulling a "Dan Rather" on you?

For one thing, it is an extremely biased source. That in itself is somewhat suspect.

Then there is the matter of the content.

TBR NEWS- September 20, 2004
“The White House and the Pentagon have worked out a plan to call up all reservists and National Guard units if and when Bush is reelected."
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So what happens if Bush is not reelected? He doesn't need the troops then? It would seem if Bush really needed more troops, he would need them regardless of who was elected.

On the same subject, the pending Universal Draft is also a done deal.
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Really? When did that bill pass Congress? You mean, somehow, this controversial bill passed by Sen. Kerry without one squawk from him?

Persons with medical problems such as diabetes, cardio-vascular disease, chronic asthma, physical deformities such as a club foot or hunch back, vision problems, etc. will be called up! If a draftee has a medical problem but can move around, they are subject to the draft but will be assigned to non-military positions such as clerk-typists, maintenance positions and so on.
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This statement makes no sense whatsoever. Anyone who knows anything about how the military operates knows that there is no such thing as a "non-military" position in the military. A person might be assigned as a clerk but he/she is still expected to fulfill every military requirement, including physical and combat tasks. Stateside (and in some overseas stations) maintenance, food service, clerical duties, etc., are already done by Goodwill Industries, contract workers, or Civil Service employees. Why would the military need to draft people for those functions? Overseas and in combat areas, those tasks are done by military members who also must be prepared (physically and trained) to assume combat, fire-fighting, and rescue duties at a moment's notice. In a combat situtation, someone with a physical disability endangers the entire unit and mission. Did you know that even wearing glasses is now a problem for military services? Most troops being sent to Iraq now are required to get laser eye surgery, if possible, so they won't need to depend on eyeglasses (which get scratched by the blowing sand, blown off, or fall off during combat, etc.).

For example, as I read it, an 18 year old girl with two children and no husband to support her will be subject to the draft. There was a discussion about what to do with the children and if the family cannot raise them during the draftee’s tour of duty, then some kind of Federal Child Care center will have to suffice.
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Total nonsense. Even now, single-parent military members must prove they have adequate childcare arrangements (such as grandparents) available should they deploy. They cannot enlist or re-enlist without that provision. Also, when two military members marry each other, they have that same childcare requirement. If they can't fulfill that, then one has to get out of the military. The last thing the military wants is childcare entanglements.

The wording of much of this remaining "document" consists of profanity and name-calling, so I won't even bother to address those sections.
 
Sabrina said:
U.S. Postal Office has the form. You can fill it out. I did this last year before my older son turns 18. Younger son will be 18 in December. We need to fill the form out to prevent from the draft...
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Do you mean he registered as a concientious objector, or do you mean he registered for Selective Service? Filling out a form does not prevent a draft from taking place. Filling out the registration form just gives the Selective Service personal contact information for keeping track of eligible males.
 
Sabrina said:
My friend Rich's son deploys next weekend for Iraq. He is going over the live w/ the iraqi army....to train them how to fight. Does that make sense? We are sending american drill sargeants over there to train the iraqis how to fight ...fight who...us? WTF....I dont get it.
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The American soldiers train Iraqi (and other foreign armies) how to fight for themselves. The plan is, as more Iraqi soldiers become trained, then more American soldiers can come home. The Iraqi soldiers will take on the responsibilities of protecting their own country, and not depend fully on American soldiers to do that.

That is the goal. It doesn't always work out because sometimes there are not enough loyal men in that country to replace the American troops. But that is the goal.
 
Reba said:
Here is what Rep. Rangel himself said about his proposed draft bill: http://www.house.gov/apps/list/hearing/ny15_rangel/sharedsacrifice010703.html
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I am perplexed, the letter is 2003. Obviously, it is Republication who make the decision. I thought, it was Democratic but I was wrong.

In fact, the administration is using the rhetoric of war while engaging in politics as usual. While deploying thousands of troops to the Middle East, the President is promoting $600 billion in additional tax cuts which will primarily benefit the most affluent Americans, those whose sons and daughters are least likely to set foot on the sands of Iraq.
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Females are not stronger as males. Why would they want females go to the miltiary for ?

By the way, did you watch the presidental debate last night. Wow, it is really heat debate. kerry made many good point about Iraq.

Bush :rl: Kerry
 
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Reba said:
Of course this is a proposed bill, not a law yet. In previous wars, there was already set up a system for concientious objectors within the military. I don't see any reason to change it.

During the Korean War, my uncle was a concientious objector. He still served as a soldier in the Army, but he served as Chaplain's driver and assistant, not as a combatant. His Christian belief was that killing was wrong but he still served his country in a dangerous situation. Many others served in medical positions. They still took all the risks as the fighting soldiers, and served their country with honor and bravery.
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I wonder if my father was one of them. He served as a medic in the Vietnam War. I'll have to ask him.
 
Sabrina said:
Females are not stronger as males. Why would they want females go to the miltiary for ?
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In Israel, they force both male and female youngsters to become part of the Israeli army. I do not know exactly what the female Israelis do, but I think I saw a TV show before that they did take part of army trainings alongside with males, and actively take part in combat. Not totally sure though.

I do not think that it is a bad idea to draft women into the army. Thinking that women are weak is quite an old-fashioned ideology, subscribing to the mass opinion that women are unable to fend for themselves.
 
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