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Dr. Strangelove

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I am experiencing lackluster closed captioning on my Dad's 50' Maxent Plasma HDTV, and my Unlce's 55' Plasma Hitachi. It seems the captions are extremely sporadic (in and out), and will not work on a DVD that has CC's. I have to turn on the subtitles for a movie, I prefer subs, but not every DVD has subtitles, so I do face the problem of some movies not having cc's.

Any one else expereincing or experienced this problem with HD tvs? I have also noticed newer DVD players do not have cc's or do not trasmit the signal needed for cc's.
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
I am experiencing lackluster closed captioning on my Dad's 50' Maxent Plasma HDTV, and my Unlce's 55' Plasma Hitachi. It seems the captions are extremely sporadic (in and out), and will not work on a DVD that has CC's. I have to turn on the subtitles for a movie, I prefer subs, but not every DVD has subtitles, so I do face the problem of some movies not having cc's.

Any one else expereincing or experienced this problem with HD tvs? I have also noticed newer DVD players do not have cc's or do not trasmit the signal needed for cc's.
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Yea sometimes doesnt work on my HDTV and then I ended up using it on my laptop.
 
Closed captions on HDTVs area bit different. Captions cannot travel via HDMI or DVI connections, and only sometimes (depending on the equipment) can travel over the componant connections (that's the blue/green/red cables). The reason for this is because a LOT of information travels via those cables, and there's basically no room for the captioning data--it's all picture related. That's why most HDTV tuner boxes have their own closed captioning decoders.

What are you watching on your HDTV? Is it over the air antenna broadcasts with the internal tuner of the TV, or do you have a cable or satellite box that gives you High Def TV shows? If it's a cable or sat box, the closed captioning is being decoded on that, and then is sent to the TV in the same way that box might send a menu--rendered by the graphics of the box itself, and shown on the TV, but the TV's CC decoder isn't being used.

For DVDs, my guess is if you connect the video via RCA composite cables (yellow, red, white) or SVIDEO, you'll see closed captioning--most devices can only send normal closed captions over those two.

Of course, then you're viewing things not in high definition.

I have DirecTV and use their new HR20 High Def DVR and their closed captioning decoding was TERRIBLE 6 months ago. Many of us at DBSTalk.com complained and they fixed it about a month ago, so now captions are very well done. I know DishNetwork is still having trouble with their High Def CC. I don't know about the cable companies.
 
My uncle uses Component for everything on his HD, and it seems to work fine now. My dad still uses HDMI, but he will try Component this week to see if the captions are enabled. Most HD TV shows are still in 720p, so no real need for HDMI right now, but I guess my pops wanted the best for his setup.
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
My uncle uses Component for everything on his HD, and it seems to work fine now. My dad still uses HDMI, but he will try Component this week to see if the captions are enabled. Most HD TV shows are still in 720p, so no real need for HDMI right now, but I guess my pops wanted the best for his setup.
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Componant and HDMI are the same data, but HDMI is digital and can provide the audio data as well. You can get 1080i on componant. As well, shows are just in HD. If it's 720p or 1080i depends on the broadcast station. Fox and ABC I think broadcast in 720p and CBS and NBC broadcast in 1080i if I'm not mistaken.
 
Me and my Dad tried out Component with the dish system, still no captions in HD, but SDTV channels had perfect captioning. I guess I will have to do some digging in Google, or call Dish themselves and sit on the phone for a few hours with tehir customer support :(
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
Me and my Dad tried out Component with the dish system, still no captions in HD, but SDTV channels had perfect captioning. I guess I will have to do some digging in Google, or call Dish themselves and sit on the phone for a few hours with tehir customer support :(
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This in the bold....this is a major reason why captions do not work on HDTVs. I have tested captions and they do not work on component cables, but they work fine with composite. I do not know what connectors the Dish have, I heard that captions do work with S-video... but not sure on HDMI or other connections.

The captions refused to display when playing DVD movies on my HDTV via component cable, but worked fine with composite cable. This is how I tested it. DVD is basically digital so it's a good way to find out.
 
Anything over componant or HDMI (or DVI) needs a CC decoder on the box itself which will render on the screen. Those connections CANNOT pass the CC signal over their wires.
 
sequoias said:
This in the bold....this is a major reason why captions do not work on HDTVs. I have tested captions and they do not work on component cables, but they work fine with composite. I do not know what connectors the Dish have, I heard that captions do work with S-video... but not sure on HDMI or other connections.

The captions refused to display when playing DVD movies on my HDTV via component cable, but worked fine with composite cable. This is how I tested it. DVD is basically digital so it's a good way to find out.
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Same here, CC isn't work on my HDTV via component cable, when playing on DVD movies.
 
I knew now those HDTV sucks for deaf and hard-of-hearing... this is serious issue that has been problems with close-captioning,
I will boycott Comcast by year 2009, I will get over-the-air
for HDTV that will have captioning. Over-the-air rocks!
Because I own too much DVD movies that something may not have captioning, but for old-school TV, however for HDTV this is great thing about HD-DVD or Blu-ray don't need requiring to be closed-captioned, only (SDH) subtitles for deaf and hard-of-hearing on all major movies by studio including: Tri-Star, Warner Bros,
MGM, Universal, Buena Vista/Disney, Paramount, Dreamworks, and
New Line Entertainment. :)
But I don't know about Fox and Lionsgate have SDH subtitles? :confused:

I hope in the future they will abandoning DVDs in 2010 to replace
Blu-ray or HD-DVD. DVD is bad for HDTV!
 
Yeah All HDTVs has AV inputs and Coxal which they has CC decoder. HDMI and Compement doesn't have CC decoder. That's what Samsung told me when I callled them after complaining about Captions doesn't work. So They told me that if I get HD box such as DVR under Motorala it has Captions decorder... so I Tried it out and finally there's captions! I guess DVD players/Blu Ray players/HD DVD players all need Captions decorder as well. I am stuck playing movies with Subtitles. I had been renting Blu ray movies from Netflix (Netflix discs are always clean!) all movies has subtitles options.

I know it sucks but I love the way HD look! Since movies offer subs so it doesn't bother me at all.
 
CCfan said:
I knew now those HDTV sucks for deaf and hard-of-hearing... this is serious issue that has been problems with close-captioning,
I will boycott Comcast by year 2009, I will get over-the-air
for HDTV that will have captioning. Over-the-air rocks!
Because I own too much DVD movies that something may not have captioning, but for old-school TV, however for HDTV this is great thing about HD-DVD or Blu-ray don't need requiring to be closed-captioned, only (SDH) subtitles for deaf and hard-of-hearing on all major movies by studio including: Tri-Star, Warner Bros,
MGM, Universal, Buena Vista/Disney, Paramount, Dreamworks, and
New Line Entertainment. :)
But I don't know about Fox and Lionsgate have SDH subtitles? :confused:

I hope in the future they will abandoning DVDs in 2010 to replace
Blu-ray or HD-DVD. DVD is bad for HDTV!
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The antenna (indoor) don't work on my HDTV due issue with distance to majority city, also I bought one so recently and looks bad when watch on analog shows and digital shows are good, also unable to get HD channel then forgot it.

Now, I'm sticking with Directv.

If you don't like Comcast then go to get Directv or Dish.

Just let you know that receiver on Dish for all SD channels are analog only, none of them are digital.
 
CCfan said:
I knew now those HDTV sucks for deaf and hard-of-hearing... this is serious issue that has been problems with close-captioning,
I will boycott Comcast by year 2009, I will get over-the-air
for HDTV that will have captioning. Over-the-air rocks!
Because I own too much DVD movies that something may not have captioning, but for old-school TV, however for HDTV this is great thing about HD-DVD or Blu-ray don't need requiring to be closed-captioned, only (SDH) subtitles for deaf and hard-of-hearing on all major movies by studio including: Tri-Star, Warner Bros,
MGM, Universal, Buena Vista/Disney, Paramount, Dreamworks, and
New Line Entertainment. :)
But I don't know about Fox and Lionsgate have SDH subtitles? :confused:

I hope in the future they will abandoning DVDs in 2010 to replace
Blu-ray or HD-DVD. DVD is bad for HDTV!
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check this which is my response to you, ccfan.

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/41325-hdtv-messes-up-service-deaf.html#post773137
 
Sequoias, thanks! I am appaled that the industry has gone to do this, and neglected a good potential customer base, however small we are.
I do get CC's on SDTV via component, AND NBC's captioning works well, I watched "Raines" last week with no problem, but still did not get cc's on other channels.. Strange, eh?
 
Dr. Strangelove said:
Sequoias, thanks! I am appaled that the industry has gone to do this, and neglected a good potential customer base, however small we are.
I do get CC's on SDTV via component, AND NBC's captioning works well, I watched "Raines" last week with no problem, but still did not get cc's on other channels.. Strange, eh?
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Yeah, it's pretty strange. It works perfect with captioning over the air (HD over the antenna) Weird....you're welcome also. ;)
 
sequoias said:
Yeah, it's pretty strange. It works perfect with captioning over the air (HD over the antenna) Weird....you're welcome also. ;)
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It must have to get an antenna via OTA for perfect captioning if I have an
ATSC-tuner.

Anyways, did you anyone has QAM-tuner would be work on CC? :ty:
 
BUMP - Please answer from the above about QAM tuner will be work with CC?
Thanks. :)
 
Umm, what is QAM? I now watch tv in standard def to get captioning. Captioning in HD works on NBC (I think) but not other channels, so I just look and record shows in SDTV.
 
QAM is analog cable, as traditional, from 1 to 90 channels without require for set-up.
 
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