Can't smoke outside, either.

I thought we live in the land of freedom, now so many people blames alot of things that is harming their health, so many lawsuit, and to see some things being banned...

If they are going to keep banning people from allowing to smoke outdoors, then why are they're allowing tobacco companies still selling cigarette and it's not even against the law....

I feel bad for workers, when they're on a break, they can't go outside and smoke but will have to drive home to lighten up a cigarette, and beside I don't think banning something will help them quit and it will make the smokers feel their rights are taken away cause they can't lighten up a cigarette outside...
 
When I go to the doctor,,, and did x ray, my lung is so healthy...
And air pollution is bad, but it doesn't affect me.

But when a smoker go to the doctor, and do x ray, doctors always
expect smokers' lungs sticky tar BLACK!!!!

Air pollution doesn't turn lungs sticky tar Black like Ciggy does.
 
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See there.
 
Yes, I agree that it´s silly to cause smoking as mainly responsible to kill million people... Look, non-smokers also get cancer thru air toxic, foods, etc... Ban just public smoking... :roll:

I´m glad that Germans do not consider ban public smoking because people know how to respect non-smokers... It´s up to resturants who want to have smoking area and non-smoking area or not... We use non-smoking area mostly when we visit any resturants... If people want smoke in smoking area is their decision. Most of employers accept smoking room and outside for smoking area, not in the office.
 
hmm, I'll go look up and see how many people in Europe die from lung cancer, compare to USA.
 
The*Empress said:
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I can see that, and beside smoking is not the only reason why our air pollution is so bad...There are alot of reason why we have bad air pollution, and smoking shouldn't be the only issue....


As I said before and once again, smoking isn't the only factor why people have health problems or lung cancer, it can cause by anything really....

I'm very much aware what smoking can do to your health, but have I heard it a million of times already?, now it time to allow them to decide on their own when the time is right for them to quit....After all respect goes both ways hmmm?...

I'm sure you wouldn't like to repeating hear things what you may be doing that is harming your health, then that how smokers feel, let them be the one to quit or decide for themselves....
 
350,000 people died of Lung Cancer in Europe each year :eek3:
That small small little country!!!

Lung cancer is the most common cancer in the world. In men, the highest incidence rates are seen in Europe (especially eastern Europe) and North America. In women, high incidence rates are found in North America and in Europe, particularly in northern and western Europe. It is estimated that there were about 375000 cases of lung cancer in Europe in 2000; 303000 in men and 72000 in women. The number of resulting deaths was about 347000 (280000 in men and 67000 in women). Tobacco smoking is well established as the main cause of lung cancer and about 90% of cases are thought to be tobacco related. There is a clear dose-response relation between lung-cancer risk and the number of cigarettes smoked per day, degree of inhalation, and age at initiation of smoking. Someone who has smoked all their life has a lung-cancer risk 20-30 times greater than a non-smoker. However, risk of lung cancer decreases with time since smoking cessation. Recently, there has been renewed interest in screening because spiral computerised tomography can detect small asymptomatic lesions more effectively than conventional radiography. Although cure rates for such lesions are very good, there is to date no evidence for effectiveness of mass-screening strategies.

In USA, 170,000 people, this big big country!!!

Lung cancer is the leading cause of cancer deaths in both women and men in the United States and throughout the world. Lung cancer is the number one cause of cancer deaths in men and has surpassed breast cancer as the leading cause of cancer deaths in women. In the United States in 2004, 160,440 people were projected to die from lung cancer compared with a projected 127,210 deaths from colorectal, breast, and prostate cancer combined. Only about 14% of all people who develop lung cancer survive for 5 years.
 
The report said there is evidence that second-hand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmokers. Beyond that, the data were inconclusive on second-hand smoke's effect on children, the researchers said. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates about 3,000 nonsmokers die a year from lung cancer caused by second-hand smoke.
Ms. Buffler said the panel looked at more than 40 studies on lung cancer and determined that nonsmokers who breathe second-hand smoke have a 20% greater risk of developing lung cancer. Ms. Buffler said the panel estimated about a billion people would die of tobacco-related diseases world-wide this century.
 
The*Empress said:
The report said there is evidence that second-hand smoke causes lung cancer in nonsmokers. Beyond that, the data were inconclusive on second-hand smoke's effect on children, the researchers said. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates about 3,000 nonsmokers die a year from lung cancer caused by second-hand smoke.
Ms. Buffler said the panel looked at more than 40 studies on lung cancer and determined that nonsmokers who breathe second-hand smoke have a 20% greater risk of developing lung cancer. Ms. Buffler said the panel estimated about a billion people would die of tobacco-related diseases world-wide this century.
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Link please?...
 
Here link for you, The*Empress...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150062,00.html

Men and women in North America are more likely to be diagnosed with cancer than in any other region in the world.

Worldwide, the report shows that there were 10.9 million new cancer cases diagnosed and 6.7 million cancer deaths reported in 2002.

Lung cancer (search) remains the biggest cancer threat, and it’s been the most common cancer worldwide since 1985.

Researchers say a striking finding of their study was that cancer is not a rare disease in developing countries, contrary to conventional wisdom.

For example, the results show that a man's risk of dying from cancer before age 65 is just 18 percent higher in developed countries. But a woman's risk of dying from cancer is actually higher in developing countries than in developed ones.

Global Cancer Trends

The study, which appears in the current issue of CA: A Cancer Journal for Clinicians, used available data to estimate three major global cancer measures: the number of new cancer cases, the number of cancer deaths, and the number of persons alive with the disease.
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They found that the risk of being diagnosed with cancer is highest in North America. But the risk of dying from cancer is greatest among Eastern European men and among women in East Africa and Northern Europe.

Other major findings include:

—China accounts for 20 percent of the world's total of new cancer cases (2.2 million).

—North America’s 1.6 million new cancer cases account for 14.5 percent of the world's total.

—In general, survival rates are better in developed countries, with the exception of Eastern Europe, which lags behind South America for most types of cancer.

—Lung cancer accounted for 1.35 million new cases (12.4 percent of world total) and 1.18 million deaths (17.6 percent of world total) in 2002. Almost half of lung cancer cases occur in developing countries, which marks a major change since 1980, when 69 percent were in developed countries The highest lung cancer rates are among North American and European (especially Eastern European) men.

—Although it is the most common cancer in men worldwide, lung cancer is second to prostate cancer in frequency in developed countries.

—Breast cancer is by far the most frequent cancer in women and accounts for 23 percent of all cancers. Breast cancer rates are highest in North America.

—Due to its high frequency and better prognosis than some other cancers, there are more breast cancer survivors at any time than any other type of cancer survivor. There are an estimated 4.4 million women alive who have had the disease diagnosed within the last five years, compared with 1.4 million survivors (men and women) from lung cancer.
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^Angel^ said:
Link please?...
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But don't you want to see your future grandkids graduate from High School.

My nephew (age 10) asked his Granny (age 64) if she will see him graduate from High School... and she was stunned. She loves her grandson very much.

And his Granny was hoping to be around 8 more years, she'll be 72 and he'll be 18.

And the doctor told her she has no more high blood pressure and have no diabetes, she is healthy.. and right now she is exercising on threadmill and eatting right, no more can of pop sodas...

So if you have a Grandkid, you will want to see him or her graduate from High School, would you? :P

oh here the link... http://www.emedicinehealth.com/fulltext/15405.htm

and the other... http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/12517539
 
The*Empress said:
Everytime I go to California, my eyes sting.... and I was wiping my eyes..
and tears just won't stop running.
Then I get greenish Sinus running out of my nose....
And last time I went to California, I suffered pneumonia-like cough.... I was coughing every day, and my throat was sore and so dry.

California is terrible. Why allow smokers to smoke in our face.. and make our health worst...?

Just because the air is so polluted, we can't do anything about it... just make the air more polluted anyway?

I think it is a start, to ban smoking, to help our air become more cleaner...

After we ban smoking, we should ban SUV. ;)
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Where I live, the air quality is good (most of time blue sky)compare to the valley but we have highest lung cancer and asthma in California. Many of them are not smokers. They tend to blame on tobacco but u have to remember alot of stuffs we can not see in the air are harming us somehow.

I believe alcohol weaken our body (only for heavy drinkers when they were younger) bring on to their own health problems later in life alike my father was. He had lung cancer, not relate to smoke but something else. He was a drinker so it is my belief that anyone who drink heavy, tend to develop some kind of cancer in later life.
 
The*Empress
Not that many people died from beers and wines....

Drunk driving kill many people, but smoking kill MILLIONS of PEOPLE every Year.
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Sorry to disappointing you, Drunk drivers kill million of people each year, and drinking is a very serious thing, it gives people liver cancer and bad sickness too. If you want to rant right and left about smokers, Look at other issues we have that is harmful to our health too. If we just banned smoking in public, the next thing people are going to complain about are, Polluted air causing people to have lung damaged as well from factories, and autos. You think smoking is the only thing that causing it all, You'll be surprised that smoking isn't the only target that kills.

I've seen up in the sky which I live about 15 mins away from Downtown Cleveland, I see smokes going up in the air every mornings before the sun rise, It's from the factories downtown Cleveland. You think that isn't bad enough? Oh yeah it is bad enough.
 
http://www.madd.org/stats/1298


In 1982 - 26,173 people Killed in Alcohol Related Crashes

But

In 2004 - 16,694 people Killed in Alcohol Related Crashes


Dropped 20% :fingersx: YAY!!!!

So people died from tobacco related disease - 170,000 and DUI 17,000.

Cigerette killed 10 times more than Drunk Driver.
 
Where did it say about smoking? Only link you gave was about drunk driving? And it only goes up to 2004, today it is 2006. :D
 
i go to california

SMOKES is everywhere not just smokers who smokes
SMOG is laying in the air

sheesh
 
Cheri said:
Where did it say about smoking? Only link you gave was about drunk driving? And it only goes up to 2004, today it is 2006. :D
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hey read #28, my post about smoking lung cancer.
 
The*Empress said:
hey read #28, my post about smoking lung cancer.
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Again that doesn't proved that smoking is worst than drinking and driving. ;)
 
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