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FreeWilly

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Hi I am new..my parents had German Shepherd Dogs
and attended to the Dog Show while I grew up..our dogs became the champions...I've heard that the Dog show, sometimes deaf handler or deaf owners..
I would like to know if you are interested in...please let me know...thank you Debbra
 
Oh oh I wish to be one of those deaf handler. I want to do it with pomeranian. :D I love dog show. Sometimes I will watch it if I can and try to find Pom. LOL but they are lovely dogs.
 
I'm Handler and British Bulldogs on Dog show in Ontario, canada..and er um.. what yours area ?
 
Welcome to AD freewilly enjoy ur stay here :)

my niece is handler of dashund i love to watch dog show my older sister is dashund breeder has fence n shelter ;)
 
wow...you are deaf handler..that's wonderful for you..I grew up in Pittsburgh, PA, trained, groomed, handled, attended to Dog Show in East with my hearing parents in the past..I now live in Minnesota...am member of German Shepherd Dog Club of St Paul/Minneapolis...our two brother dogs Hammer/Hawkeye multipled and influenced many champions in their generations.. the GSD people did not know I am deaf after my mother died..



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I've heard two deaf owners in two different states so far...

Sandra owns her business dogs (Pom) for conformation at dog show in Ill

Elizabeth owns her dogs (corgis welsh) for agility at dog show in Conn..

I've talked with AKC rep about deaf dog in obedience after I saw Dateline on TV about deaf dog (yellow Lab)..his hearing owner used sign language to his deaf dog, he passed the good score in the class..I've not been heard if AKC will allow deaf dogs (only obedience class)
 
my daddy's mom was a breeder and kennel and do dogs shows with germen shepard and poodles, when my daddy was younger. But she died when my dad was 11. After that I not sure. but my dad said that if he won 10 million dollar he would move to country and start kennel and dog show again.. heh..
 
FreeWilly,

Impressive.. I need your information about Deaf Dog did do well conformation on Dog showing... Proven 110%.. That what I'm interested.. One of my friend breeder was kind upset about their dog is Deaf and turned it out Disqualtifation from Dog Show. That how I'm kind and unpleasant with Bitch woman who judging "Deaf" as condiser Disbitities. I did fought w/that person , Look at me.. I CAN DO on conformation my british bulldog.. Judge said, errr, well, well.. different story , the dog is Deaf not supposed be on conformation. I went fury and way off discussion.. I was file complaint againist the judge who really turn it out discrimation againist the Dog being Deaf.. What hell ?

My friend breeder really understand how much I felt.. Pretty I felt turned me off w/Judge.

That what I'm looking for.. I'm glad I've found you.... If you have anything information details and got award or champion on conformation ? Will you please pm'ed as well. The best effort is AKC/CKC's action againist the judge's ethics code!
You can do it and talk it out w/AKC, What their ethics code approval for Deaf dog can do on conformation.
Why don't you try contact w/Obienece and ask them more question information details and shown them proof that Deaf Dog is smart enough and can read Sign Languages which is not "CHEATER", which part of communcation w/dog.

Will look forward hear from you soon.. :)


FreeWilly said:
I've heard two deaf owners in two different states so far...

Sandra owns her business dogs (Pom) for conformation at dog show in Ill

Elizabeth owns her dogs (corgis welsh) for agility at dog show in Conn..

I've talked with AKC rep about deaf dog in obedience after I saw Dateline on TV about deaf dog (yellow Lab)..his hearing owner used sign language to his deaf dog, he passed the good score in the class..I've not been heard if AKC will allow deaf dogs (only obedience class)
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Had two neighbors who was dog show handlers... when I was growing up. next door was Scottish Terriers and other was Large sized Collies (they barked 24/7).

I would love to be a dog handler someday.
 
BullymOm, I'd experience with the AKC reps..they've been hard heads..they won't change to allow deaf dogs in the conformation class..that's sad!! you know the judges can't see if deaf dogs enter in the class but if they suspect deaf dog there...they will use the keys dangle if deaf dog can hear or not...they will know deaf dog and will tell deaf dog go out of the ring..against the rule..the AKC won't allow deaf dogs but they allow deaf owner and deaf pro handler at the dog show, not deaf dogs..odd??
frustrated!!

the AKC requires pure dogs, not faulty and not diablilty..must be perfect..I've heard lots of Damnation (sp) dogs who have some deaf, other diabilities..

That's good you fight with the hearing judges who not like deaf handler or owner..you have the right to file and complain against the judges...maybe they always obsess with pure dogs, not think deaf handler or owner..they make mistakes, deaf owner or handler must remind them you are deaf

I forget one thing about deaf handler..I've heard deaf handler in Canada, too..he focuses with the boxer dogs..I did not remember his name...

email to me private if you want

DClifford01@webtv.net
 
Hey,

Done email'n you... :)

Release my friend's name info with'n email..

Thanks..


FreeWilly said:
BullymOm, I'd experience with the AKC reps..they've been hard heads..they won't change to allow deaf dogs in the conformation class..that's sad!! you know the judges can't see if deaf dogs enter in the class but if they suspect deaf dog there...they will use the keys dangle if deaf dog can hear or not...they will know deaf dog and will tell deaf dog go out of the ring..against the rule..the AKC won't allow deaf dogs but they allow deaf owner and deaf pro handler at the dog show, not deaf dogs..odd??
frustrated!!

the AKC requires pure dogs, not faulty and not diablilty..must be perfect..I've heard lots of Damnation (sp) dogs who have some deaf, other diabilities..

That's good you fight with the hearing judges who not like deaf handler or owner..you have the right to file and complain against the judges...maybe they always obsess with pure dogs, not think deaf handler or owner..they make mistakes, deaf owner or handler must remind them you are deaf

I forget one thing about deaf handler..I've heard deaf handler in Canada, too..he focuses with the boxer dogs..I did not remember his name...

email to me private if you want

DClifford01@webtv.net
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Sorry, it is long story..if you will be patience to read what the AKC rule for
deaf handler, owner, etc...okay for them but not deaf dogs...read this story then you will understand why AKC is not allowing deaf dogs in the dog show..


I talked the AKC reps three years ago...they said

"Your points are quite valid, as they pertain to people - people with handicaps can do remarkable things and excell in a chosen field of interest without regard to their handicap. And the AKC recognizes that - in March of 1998 the AKC Board of Directors adopted a disabled handlers policy for AKC events, which states as follows:
"The American kennel Club strives to provide the opportunity to participate in its events. In the case of conformation judging, where decisions are based solely on the quality of the dogs, a judge may modify the regular judging procedure to accommodate to a disabled handler.
"If a modification of normal judging procedure is required, the judge need only to determine that it would not inhibit the ability of other handlers in the ring to show their dogs. A disabled handler may compete using a cane, crutuch, or electric-powered wheelchair. However, when gaiting dogs as a group, the judge should ensure that a handler who cannot maintain a normal gait for the breed being exhibited be placed in line where it will not interfere with the ability of the other dogs to gait properly."
(There is also a section pertaining to blind handlers which I have omitted, but it basically states a second person can assist a blind handler but the handler must remember that "the primary function of exhibiting the dog is their responsibility and not that of the second person in the ring".)

But that does not apply to dogs. Dogs, and indeed animals, are not given the same and equal rights by our society that people are given. Because the purpose of AKC conformation dog shows is to breed those dogs and hopefully improve that breed, and because deafness is hereditary, the AKC rule is that a deaf dog is not eligible for AKC events.

By the way, while true albino animals may be deaf, the white-coated dog breeds are not albinos and not usually deaf due to albinism. Dalmatians, for example, are actually a solid colored dog with the gene for double piebald expressed - for a black and white Dalmation, then, what you are really seeing is a black dog with an overlay of white and the spots of color "punched through" the white overlay...that's a very elementary description of it. Research has not yet shown us why the Dalmation inherits deafness - why some do and some don't - but its not because the breed is made up of albinos, for it is not. True albino is the absence of all color pigment, including pigment in the iris of the eye (hence the red eye characteristic of an albino animal) and hair shafts, etc., and there is certainly color pigment present in the Dalmation breed - black pigment on the black-spotted and white dogs, and liver pigment on the liver-spotted and white dogs."

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See what AKC said...they allow deaf handler in the dog show..I believe someone discussed with them in the past...the AKC Board of Directors finally allowed deaf, other handicap in 1998...thank you to AKC

But to deaf dogs are not allowed...someday they will allow deaf dogs in the dog show...keep our fingers crossed...you know the dogs can't file the complaint against but deaf people can do...APPLAUD!!!
 
One day, If suppose Deaf British Bulldog.. I would jump and exciting.. I'll be very happy work hard and trainned Deaf British Bulldog and part of Dog Show.. Will NOT tell CKC until become champion then I'll let everyone know... This is Deaf Dog! How much Deaf Dog CAN do it.. Look at me.. Pointless, being Disbilities involved w/Dog show permit but not DOG.. doesn't make sense.. Just I've wanted to let everyone know... Deaf Dog can part of dog show.... That's all, In my dream if it's come true...
*crossing finger*

I have not get Deaf Bulldog yet... I mean "IF".. *smile*~ :)
 
I agree with you...I discussed one AKC rep today
she said "Completely deaf dogs in AKC competition is disallowed..." if they did remember me to talk with AKC rep three years ago..they may be sick of me, ask them again and again..that's our goal to resolve the barrier between the AKC and disablied dogs..I know and know the AKC standard dogs (all breeds) MUST be pure..I asked her IF
the dogs have mixed with other breeds, allow them in only obedience class...same with disablied dog?? I still wait for her to response back....
 
geez AKC... still part of discrimation aganist disablied as Deaf dog!

*rolls*

Wait and see CKC (my turn) *scoff chuckles*
 
I'd experience with German Shepherd Dog people group...my parents are gone...I was willing to take my mother's place...lots of responsiblies...I worked for her in the past...the GSD people group sometimes asked questions about our dogs...I answered their questions...they really were amazed to see how deaf people can do it..they really respect me because my mother was great breeder...they love her...as I stand for her...one thing my grammer is not good but improving some...need more practice <G>
 
downing said:
Had two neighbors who was dog show handlers... when I was growing up. next door was Scottish Terriers and other was Large sized Collies (they barked 24/7).

I would love to be a dog handler someday.
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Haha my collie does the same thing. I had to buy a collar that sprays her with nontoxic citronella spray every time she barks to stop her!

I wanted to show my dog or train her for agility but she has hip dysplasia. Sad!!
 
Ethical breeding and showing that means you only breed dogs that are of the highest standard...temperament, health, conformation, colour, etc. The whole package. This means that the only dogs that are bred, are dogs that have proven to be worthy of being bred by earning their CH and have passed all health tests with flying colours.

The point of conformation showing is to prove that a dog is breed worthy, and will continue to uphold the standard of the breed if bred. A dog that is deaf, which in most dogs is hereditary, is not going to do anything to uphold the standard of the breed. Why on EARTH would anyone support the breeding of a dog with such an obvious fault? We are not talking about people here, so the comparison doesn't even apply. There are millions and millions of horrible, awful, idiotic breeders out there that breed for money or whatever other lame reasons they come up with; no ethical breeder would support breeding a dog that has a very high chance of passing on a disability to their offspring. Deaf puppies are just as wonderful of pets as any other puppy, but they are not breeding quality, and breeding pet quality puppies is not an ethical practice. It takes more than excellent conformation to be a breeding quality dog.

I totally support trying to get them to change the rules to allow deaf dogs to compete in agility, obedience, etc, but NOT for conformation. The whole point of conformation is to find the very best examples of the breed and pass those traits on to keep the breed quality intact. Sorry to say it, but a hereditary condition is simply not the "very best of the breed", and by allowing deaf dogs to show and earn their titles, the AKC would be supporting and encouraging the breeding of unsound dogs and that is the very last thing we need in a world full of unethical breeders and pet overpopulation.

Just my opinion. Pets are wonderful, but they are not people, and the same discriminations simply do not and should not apply. Banning deaf dogs from conformation and thus, hopefully from breeding is not discriminatory, it is good old common sense and good breed preservation. If you want a deaf dog, there are hundreds out there that are in desperate need of good homes because most people are not willing to put the time and effort into training a deaf dog. Please don't support something that would actually encourage even more deaf puppies to potentially be brought into the world.
 
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