About Parents?

[Jiro]

Well you obviously don't know what your talking about, as I've never claimed SEE I was effective. But congratulations on successfully twisting my position yet again.

It's almost like a sickness with some of you.

I was addressing The comment by the OP that she was given two options. I was letting her know there are other options available.

Also, if you had paid attention you would have noticed I said that Cued Speech was not as effective or functional.

Seriously, you need to lay off. It's highly irritating to be constantly having to correct intentional misrepresentations about me and my perspective.

Look back at my post and you'll see that I said... "INeffective".....

Have you gone so mad that it blinds you? :roll:

My suggestion for you - you're here to learn..... not to give advice. m'kay?

 

[posts from hell]

Good God, Thank You???

What?

Good game.

 

[CSign]

Cued Speech? for the love of god... that should never ever ever be mentioned as part of options. Please get involved in deaf community first before you start advising parents. You don't even have any solid experience yet. You are JUST starting it out. Again - please get involved in deaf community first and put in perhaps 5 years more. You have yet seen the impact of your decision.

I actually have extensive experience which has allowed me to be a successful advocate not just for my son, but for other children as well.

My experiences with the school district many years ago forced me to familiarize myself with the laws, and the rights of myself and my child. I had to become my own attorney essentially and I'm grateful for the experience.

What's wrong with you?

 

[jillio]

A few months ago a mother with a little deaf boy came to town because of a new job and met me. She was beside herself with worry over her son and asked me for "help." Should she arrange for the boy to get a CI, she asked? I put the boy on my lap and we talked, mostly in sign. The mother was astonished. I told her to put her son on her lap and TALK with him.
To make a long story short, she enrolled the boy in a Deaf school half an hour from here and they are both doing very well.
I find it VERY disturbing that a mother would spend all her waking moments on the computer instead of trying to talk with her child. If she does, she would know what to do.

And that mother had such an easy time getting in touch with a deaf person. I find it odd that a parent with a child in EI through Clarke School knows no other parents of deaf children, or anyone else with a hearing loss.

 

[jillio]

I actually have extensive experience which has allowed me to be a successful advocate not just for my son, but for other children as well.

My experiences with the school district many years ago forced me to familiarize myself with the laws, and the rights of myself and my child. I had to become my own attorney essentially and I'm grateful for the experience.

What's wrong with you?

 

[jillio]

Here are a bunch of questions that have been asked, but it appears that they are being avoided:

Your early intervention services may be provided at home, but what exactly is preventing you from contacting other parents in your area to arrange play dates, activities, and get togethers? It just doesn't make sense that you have no contact with other parents of deaf children, particularly since the area you are in has not only Clarke School, but a School for the Deaf, as well.

You'll prove us wrong? There is another red flag. Why is it so important to you to prove a bunch of strangers that you claim have been nothing but rude and nasty to you wrong. If you believe you have been treated so unfairly, the logical and reasonable thing to do would be to leave. You have no committments to anyone here. You didn't pay for your membership here, so it can't be a matter of getting your money's worth out of a membership fee. We are strangers to you, and have no effect on you one way or the other. So why this need to prove us wrong?

Funny, last night you stated that you might consider ASL at some future point if her hearing got worse, but didn't see it as something she needed now. That is certainly a huge change in philosophy in less than 24 hours. So what changed your mind so quickly?

And you found no others? Particularly the ones that are focused toward hearing parents?

Where did you call? What do you see as the benefits of adding ASL to the environment? You changed your mind regarding ASL very quickly. What happened to create such a drastic change in philosophy in such a short period of time?

Now they are all in one convenient place. Should be easy for you to answer them.

 

[posts from hell]

csign.... what daredevel said was VERY CLEAR - you misunderstood it. What Jiro said was VERY clear - you misunderstood it.

Now I am wondering if this pent up anger you have is making you confused.

 

[Jiro]

I actually have extensive experience which has allowed me to be a successful advocate not just for my son, but for other children as well.

My experiences with the school district many years ago forced me to familiarize myself with the laws, and the rights of myself and my child. I had to become my own attorney essentially and I'm grateful for the experience.

What's wrong with you?

me? none. How can I be wrong? I'm a deaf adult.

What's wrong with you? For starter.... http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/85690-see-language-its-english.html

yea there you go. and you don't know nothing yet. You JUST started it. Don't get confused there. You spend all the time getting familiarized with the laws.... um.... have you even spend some of that time getting familiarized with deaf community and communicating with them? (yes communicating in sign language)

 

[Jiro]

looks like it has turned into Seesaw Circus :roll:

we can't even have a productive conversation. ironic.

 

[jillio]

SEE and CS...the two systems the deaf hate the most. A hearing person promoting the use of these two hated systems with the deaf. Once again, a hearing person thinks they know better what the deaf need than the deaf themselves do.

Wait a minute...what is that practice called? They have a word for it. Anyone know what it is?

 

[Beowulf]

SEE and CS...the two systems the deaf hate the most. A hearing person promoting the use of these two hated systems with the deaf. Once again, a hearing person thinks they know better what the deaf need than the deaf themselves do.

Wait a minute...what is that practice called? They have a word for it. Anyone know what it is?

Torture?

 

[hearingaidmama]

Your early intervention services may be provided at home, but what exactly is preventing you from contacting other parents in your area to arrange play dates, activities, and get togethers? It just doesn't make sense that you have no contact with other parents of deaf children, particularly since the area you are in has not only Clarke School, but a School for the Deaf, as well. We found out only 3 months ago about her hearing loss. I have not yet (through Clarke or anyone else met anyone with a hearing loss or child with hearing loss. I have seen children with hearing aids in the audiologists office but that's about it. When Natalie begins the toddler program at Clarke I will be in contact with other parents because each room has another room attached with a 3 way mirror where the parents sit. That has not happened yet so I have no contact. I don't know why you're so against me reaching out to people here?

You'll prove us wrong? There is another red flag. Why is it so important to you to prove a bunch of strangers that you claim have been nothing but rude and nasty to you wrong. If you believe you have been treated so unfairly, the logical and reasonable thing to do would be to leave. You have no committments to anyone here. You didn't pay for your membership here, so it can't be a matter of getting your money's worth out of a membership fee. We are strangers to you, and have no effect on you one way or the other. So why this need to prove us wrong? I've already answered this question in a previous post.

Funny, last night you stated that you might consider ASL at some future point if her hearing got worse, but didn't see it as something she needed now. That is certainly a huge change in philosophy in less than 24 hours. So what changed your mind so quickly? I've never heard any of the reason why to learn ASL. I've only been told why for Natalie, it's not needed. I had no idea there could be social effects if ASL is not learning until a previous post. I was also told with her age and hearing aids spoken language would be natural and easy for her which seems to be contradicted by many of the comments here.

And you found no others? Particularly the ones that are focused toward hearing parents? No, I found this and stopped looking.

Where did you call? Answered in a previous post, yet none of your business. What do you see as the benefits of adding ASL to the environment? Less social effects, easier communication, ability to express herself with a language that may feel more natural to her, not having to rely on her weakest sense to communicate with others, and obviously it would help her fit in better with the deaf/HOH community. You changed your mind regarding ASL very quickly. What happened to create such a drastic change in philosophy in such a short period of time? I was presented with information that I knew nothing about in relation to the emotional and social effects of NOT knowing ASL for a person who is HOH.

Now they are all in one convenient place. Should be easy for you to answer them.

 

[jillio]

me? none. How can I be wrong? I'm a deaf adult.

What's wrong with you? For starter.... http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/85690-see-language-its-english.html

yea there you go. and you don't know nothing yet. You JUST started it. Don't get confused there. You spend all the time getting familiarized with the laws.... um.... have you even spend some of that time getting familiarized with deaf community and communicating with them? (yes communicating in sign language)

Some people know just enough to be dangerous. And are not in the least interested in listening to what the deaf have to say about their needs.:roll:

 

[CSign]

SEE and CS...the two systems the deaf hate the most. A hearing person promoting the use of these two hated systems with the deaf. Once again, a hearing person thinks they know better what the deaf need than the deaf themselves do.

Wait a minute...what is that practice called? They have a word for it. Anyone know what it is?

Who was promoting Cued Speech? And I certainly didn't mention SEE until it was brought up by another poster.

HAM said she was given two options. I was addressing the fact that there are more than two options.

 

[jillio]

Your early intervention services may be provided at home, but what exactly is preventing you from contacting other parents in your area to arrange play dates, activities, and get togethers? It just doesn't make sense that you have no contact with other parents of deaf children, particularly since the area you are in has not only Clarke School, but a School for the Deaf, as well. We found out only 3 months ago about her hearing loss. I have not yet (through Clarke or anyone else met anyone with a hearing loss or child with hearing loss. I have seen children with hearing aids in the audiologists office but that's about it. When Natalie begins the toddler program at Clarke I will be in contact with other parents because each room has another room attached with a 3 way mirror where the parents sit. That has not happened yet so I have no contact. I don't know why you're so against me reaching out to people here?

It helps if you use another font color so your replies can be distinquished from the questions. I'm not against it, but it certainly is not the most effective way to expose your child to other deaf children or to socialize with other hearing parents. I raised a deaf kid. I never had any problem finding other deaf kids for my son to play with or deaf adults for me to socialize with.

You'll prove us wrong? There is another red flag. Why is it so important to you to prove a bunch of strangers that you claim have been nothing but rude and nasty to you wrong. If you believe you have been treated so unfairly, the logical and reasonable thing to do would be to leave. You have no committments to anyone here. You didn't pay for your membership here, so it can't be a matter of getting your money's worth out of a membership fee. We are strangers to you, and have no effect on you one way or the other. So why this need to prove us wrong? I've already answered this question in a previous post.

So why do you keep doing it if you don't know why it is so important to you? It might be worthwhile for you to examine some of your own issues.

Funny, last night you stated that you might consider ASL at some future point if her hearing got worse, but didn't see it as something she needed now. That is certainly a huge change in philosophy in less than 24 hours. So what changed your mind so quickly? I've never heard any of the reason why to learn ASL. I've only been told why for Natalie, it's not needed. I had no idea there could be social effects if ASL is not learning until a previous post. I was also told with her age and hearing aids spoken language would be natural and easy for her which seems to be contradicted by many of the comments here.

Are you in the habit of just accepting people's word without doing any investigation of your own? You just accepted what they told you without question?
And you found no others? Particularly the ones that are focused toward hearing parents? No, I found this and stopped looking.

Are you in the habit of just taking the first thing that comes along without looking at other options? That seems to be a pattern.
Where did you call? Answered in a previous post, yet none of your business.

Yeah, I didn't expect you to be able to actually name a place you had called. Another one of those predictable things.

What do you see as the benefits of adding ASL to the environment? Less social effects, easier communication, ability to express herself with a language that may feel more natural to her, not having to rely on her weakest sense to communicate with others, and obviously it would help her fit in better with the deaf/HOH community.

Wow! You figured all that out in less than 24 hours all on your own? No one here has told you that. Odd that it didn't occur to you earlier if you were able to figure it out all on your own. Yet, you just accepted the oral /aural environment without quesion.
You changed your mind regarding ASL very quickly. What happened to create such a drastic change in philosophy in such a short period of time?

I was presented with information that I knew nothing about in relation to the emotional and social effects of NOT knowing ASL for a person who is HOH.

Where did you get presented with all this information? There have only been 1 or 2 posts even mentioning ASL, and none with that extensive information.
Now they are all in one convenient place. Should be easy for you to answer them.

Funny how your answers just bring up more questions.

 

[jillio]

The organazation is called The Expressive Hand.

Which is it? None of my business or the Expressive Hand. Do a quick Google search, there did ya?

 

[posts from hell]

you were by mentioning it, csign.

 

[jillio]

Who was promoting Cued Speech? And I certainly didn't mention SEE until it was brought up by another poster.

HAM said she was given two options. I was addressing the fact that there are more than two options.

I have never seen anyone that is less aware of what they say and the impression it gives.

 

[CSign]

me? none. How can I be wrong? I'm a deaf adult.

What's wrong with you? For starter.... http://www.alldeaf.com/sign-language-oralism/85690-see-language-its-english.html

yea there you go. and you don't know nothing yet. You JUST started it. Don't get confused there. You spend all the time getting familiarized with the laws.... um.... have you even spend some of that time getting familiarized with deaf community and communicating with them? (yes communicating in sign language)

I've spent plenty of time with the Deaf community, and **gasp** I even communicate in sign. Fancy that.

 

[Jiro]

I've spent plenty of time with the Deaf community, and **gasp** I even communicate in sign. Fancy that.

Forgive me but I have a very hard time believing that because your credibility is shot.

and your post doesn't make any sense either.