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Updated: 12:29 AM EDT
House Votes to Further Restrict Abortion
Bill Would Make It a Crime to Take a Minor Across State Lines for Procedure
By LAURIE KELLMAN, AP


WASHINGTON (April 27) - The House passed a bill Wednesday that would make it illegal to dodge parental-consent laws by taking minors across state lines for abortions, the latest effort to chip away at abortion rights after Republican gains in the November elections.

By 270-157, the House sent the bill to the Senate, where the policy has new momentum as an item on the Republicans' top 10 list of legislative priorities.

Reflecting rising public support for requiring parents' involvement in their pregnant daughters' decisions, the bill would impose fines, jail time or both on adults and doctors involved in most cases where minors were taken out of state to get abortions.

In a statement, President Bush praised the House for passing the measure. "The parents of pregnant minors can provide counsel, guidance and support to their children and should be involved in these decisions,'' Bush said. "I urge the Senate to pass this important legislation and help continue to build a culture of life in America.''

This was the third time since 1998 the House has approved such a measure sponsored by Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla. The Senate has never taken it up and no vote has been set, but Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., expects to bring up a similar measure this summer, according to spokeswoman Amy Call.

In another sign of the measure's new support, Democratic Rep. William Clay of Missouri, who staunchly favors abortion rights and voted against the measure in the past, voted for it on Wednesday. Clay said he switched in response to an outpouring of support for the bill from constituents in his St. Louis district.

"This bill simply says that a parent has a right to know if their child is having surgery,'' Clay said.

Voting for it were 216 Republicans and 54 Democrats. Voting against it were 145 Democrats, 11 Republicans and 1 Independent.

If passed by the Senate and signed by the president, the policy would represent the fifth measure since Bush took office in 2001 aimed at reducing the number of abortions.

Senate abortion opponents prevailed last month in preventing Democrats from restricting the rights of abortion clinic protesters in bankruptcy court.

Tempers flared in the House even before the emotional floor debate.

Democrats complained that their efforts to soften the bill, for example, by exempting from prosecution adult siblings and grandparents who help pregnant minors, were described in the GOP-authored committee report as efforts to protect "sexual predators.''

Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., who authored the panel's report, defended its language, saying the Democratic amendments would not have specifically excluded child molesters from protections.

"Perhaps these amendments were not properly drafted by the authors when they were submitted in the committee,'' Sensenbrenner told the House. "That's not the fault of the majority, that's the fault of the people who drafted the amendment.''

Rep. Jerry Nadler, D-N.Y., called the report by Sensenbrenner's committee "a rape of the rules of this House.''

"Would it be fair for an official report of this committee to call this entire bill the 'Rapists and Sexual Predators Right to Sue Act?''' Nadler asked rhetorically.

Last year, Congress made it a separate crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman. It also decided to deny federal funds to state and local agencies that act against health care providers and insurers because they don't provide or pay for abortions.

In 2003 it outlawed what critics call partial birth abortions, generally carried out in the second or third trimester, in which a fetus is partially delivered before being aborted. A year earlier, lawmakers amended the legal definitions for person, human being, child and individual to include any fetus that survives an abortion procedure.

The bill defines a minor as anyone "not older than'' 18. More than 30 states have parental notification or consent laws.

The measure provides certain exceptions to a mandatory waiting period and punishments, such as when the abortion would save the life of the mother. Also excepted are any physician presented with documentation showing that a court in the minor's home state waived any parental notification requirements. In addition the bill makes an exception for minors who have signed a written statement saying that she is a victim of sexual abuse by a parent and can back it up with documentation of having reported that abuse to a state authority.

The House rejected two Democratic amendments that would have added immunity from prosecution and civil suits confidants of the minor who help transport her - such as grandparents and clergy - and others involved in the violation, such as taxicab and bus drivers.

Opponents say any gains the bill might make would be dwarfed by health, abuse and legal problems that pregnant girls and their well-meaning confidants might suffer.

Bebe J. Anderson, a lawyer at the Center for Reproductive Rights, said it would produce "a confusing maze of requirements ... designed to isolate some teens and leave others with no safe options.''

"No matter how few people it affects, it's an important bill on the principles,'' said Frist, a Tennessee Republican who is looking at seeking his party's presidential nomination in 2008.

The bill is H.R. 748 (AOL News:Here)


I agree with the bill.
 
Cheri said:
Updated: 12:29 AM EDT
House Votes to Further Restrict Abortion
Bill Would Make It a Crime to Take a Minor Across State Lines for Procedure

...I agree with the bill.
Me too.
 
I don't agree with this retarded bill. I believe that some people don't realize that they are slowly losing their rights to privacy. Oh well. God, thank you for providing these wonderful herbs which will guarantee pregnancy-prevention plus certain methods. Thank you, God and you da man!

Here's my favorite part: http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=16670 (yes, it is abortion topic).
 
Magatsu said:
I don't agree with this retarded bill. I believe that some people don't realize that they are slowly losing their rights to privacy. Oh well. God, thank you for providing these wonderful herbs which will nearly-guarantee pregnancy-prevention. Thank you, God and you da man!

Here's my favorite part: http://www.alldeaf.com/showthread.php?t=16670 (yes, it is abortion topic).


Can I ask why you disagree with the bill? This bill is for minors, I don't think minors should go across another state and get an abortion done, When their life might be at stake. I think this bill can save those peers lives. ;)
 
I absolutely agree with this bill too!!!
 
Why I disagree with this bill because of rights to privacy issue. That's why.

And... their life is much more at stake through environment pollution, rBGT & BST, prescription drugs, house chemicals, etc etc which causes many deaths much more than abortion itself. Corporate Media whined about abortion pill get few teenagers killed while they refuse to mention anything about prescription drugs... even simple pill like aspirin causes over 7,000 deaths annual (link).

As always, they (Congress) are using the wrong methods & solutions to solve this problem. It is unbelievable.
 
Magatsu said:
Why I disagree with this bill because of rights to privacy issue. That's why.

And... their life is much more at stake through environment pollution, rBGT & BST, prescription drugs, house chemicals, etc etc which causes many deaths much more than abortion itself. Corporate Media whined about abortion pill get few teenagers killed while they refuse to mention anything about prescription drugs... even simple pill like aspirin causes over 7,000 deaths annual (link).

As always, they (Congress) are using the wrong methods & solutions to solve this problem. It is unbelievable.

I disagree with you on this, Magatsu. We are talking about minors here, and a minor needs to be protected. The need for protection supercedes that of privacy. It should not be so easy to simply take a minor across state lines to obtain an abortion. If we were talking about adults, I'd be all of this screaming that it was wrong, but it's not wrong in this case. If a minor wants to get an abortion, she can go to her parents or go to the courts. There's no need to cross state lines to do it.
 
Oceanbreeze, I understand your point but I don't believe that it is "right" solution for this problem. I guess we will see how it will affect the minors in few years and later on.
 
Magatsu said:
I guess we will see how it will affect the minors in few years and later on.



I would care less how would that effect those minors because, They don't know the risks are in abortion, If they decide to have an abortion done and go across state and get it done, They would end up dead on some dirty table, by an unprofessional. And How would their own parent feel when they recover their own daughter is dead. It would kill them inside.
 
They don't know the risks are in abortion, If they decide to have an abortion done and go across state and get it done, They would end up dead on some dirty table, by an unprofessional. And How would their own parent feel when they recover their own daughter is dead. It would kill them inside.
Well what if the girl was raped or whatever? What if her parents would kill her if they'd known she had sex?
 
deafdyke said:
Well what if the girl was raped or whatever? What if her parents would kill her if they'd known she had sex?

If the girl get pregnant from the result of a rape, then why would her parents be upset at her for having sex when it was against her will?...
 
Cheri said:
I would care less how would that effect those minors because, They don't know the risks are in abortion, If they decide to have an abortion done and go across state and get it done, They would end up dead on some dirty table, by an unprofessional. And How would their own parent feel when they recover their own daughter is dead. It would kill them inside.
Well, aspirin alone cause 7,000 deaths. Smoking the cigarettes alone cause over 400,000 deaths (it is highly possibility that half of them are minors).

What does parents think and feel about these accessible matierals in America which causes these death? I don't really concern about risks in abortion because it is very low when compare to cigarettes, prescription drugs, environment pollution, etc etc which have higher risk. They also don't know the risks in these death-causes too. Where's the protections? Where's the laws? Where's the courts?

Concerning about "some dirty table", actually it is not. These clinics that provide the abortion is pretty clean and all (it is required by law to keep these clean) but if abortion ever becomes illegal, minors will resort to the black market which does provide the dirty table and all. Black market abortion itself causes much more death than legalized abortion. That's why people are predicting that there will be significant numbers of deaths in America if they criminalized the abortion, just like old times.

Cheri, I am not trying to offend you. I just want to agree to disagree with you and I also just want to offer the different view from radical parents.

deafdyke said:
Well what if the girl was raped or whatever? What if her parents would kill her if they'd known she had sex?
Good point. The history does reveal that their fathers did kill their own daugthers in rage when found out about pregnancy. [edit] I am trying to remember few good movie titles about that but I seem unable to retrieve the name of titles out of my memory, oh well. [/edit]
 
Magatsu said:
Good point. The history does reveal that their fathers did kill their own daugthers in rage when found out about pregnancy.

When the daug happen to be raped?... :ugh: ...

Or

Are you talking about if the daug happen to have sex and she became pregnant... If she knew her parents would be upset, then why would she have sex without using any protection ....

If this bill hasn't been passed, there will be million more minors having sex without protection, and they could either become pregnant, getting aids, or any other type of disease, how are we suppose to protect our children then?...
 
Magatsu said:
Concerning about "some dirty table", actually it is not. These clinics that provide the abortion is pretty clean and all (it is required by law to keep these clean) but if abortion ever becomes illegal, minors will resort to the black market which does provide the dirty table and all. Black market abortion itself causes much more death than legalized abortion. That's why people are predicting that there will be significant numbers of deaths in America if they criminalized the abortion, just like old times.


Did I say in the clinic? Show me in my post I said that? I said by "an unprofessional" Unprofessional do not work in the clinic. How do you know that there are no unprofessional exit nowdays? Never know. Minors do not make the best choice when it comes to anything nowdays, So this bill is a start to show that parent would have to know about the pregnancy if their daughter wants the abortion. If Parent agree for their daughter to have an abortion they would find a good abortion clinic and know the informations and risks involved alot better than minors.

Magatus said:
Originally Posted by deafdyke
Well what if the girl was raped or whatever? What if her parents would kill her if they'd known she had sex?

Good point. The history does reveal that their fathers did kill their own daugthers in rage when found out about pregnancy.

Why would the parent kill their own daughter when she was raped against her own will. Rape issue is never the victims fault.
 
^Angel^ said:
When the daug happen to be raped?... :ugh: ...

Or

Are you talking about if the daug happen to have sex and she became pregnant... If she knew her parents would be upset, then why would she have sex without using any protection ....
Latter one. Most fathers would not mad at their daughters if they get pregnant from rape (I wouldn't too and I will be more mad at that rapist and want to eat his brain). Concerning about why and protection, that's the biggest problem in America. Believe or not, abstitence is not working. They did tried that in Texas and it failed miserably (big time). What next? Parents really need to educate their own children and engage them into long discussion and all. Most of these parents refer their own children to the school to take care of that. Trying to hide the sex information will make this situation much worse. I have my own solution to this problem for my future child(ren) and I would like to share but I believe it is too radical for this community or unless I am wrong...

^Angel^ said:
If this bill hasn't been passed, there will be million more minors having sex without protection, and they could either become pregnant, getting aids, or any other type of disease, how are we suppose to protect our children then?...
Honest with you, bill or no bill, it will not change anything... In old times, there are lots of abortions through black market which caused many deaths (will-be mothers). If we want to protect our children, we need to roll up our sleeves and educate them. Not schools. Not federal programs. Not pathetic non-workable abstitence programs. Our own hands. That's my opinion, Angel (beside my opinion, it is fact that abstitence program is not working).
 
Cheri said:
Did I say in the clinic? Show me in my post I said that? I said by "an unprofessional" Unprofessional do not work in the clinic.
Touché.

Cheri said:
How do you know that there are no unprofessional exit nowdays? Never know.
I didn't say that there is no unprofessional workers. But yeah, there are in many countries included America.

Cheri said:
Minors do not make the best choice when it comes to anything nowdays, So this bill is a start to show that parent would have to know about the pregnancy if their daughter wants the abortion. If Parent agree for their daughter to have an abortion they would find a good abortion clinic and know the informations and risks involved alot better than minors.
Like what I said above, I will see how it will affect the minors in few years later. I personally predict that it will end up backfire.

Cheri said:
Why would the parent kill their own daughter when she was raped against her own will. Rape issue is never the victims fault.
No, no. I was talking about any situation beside rape. Like... being irresponsible with sex protection. In the history, parents did kill their own daughters in rage when found out that they get pregnant from their boyfriends/lovers/etc. Or even abuse them. I believe that's why there is (now was) a law to protect these daugthers from their parents.

Folks, to clear this up... I am not approved anyone under 18 years old to sex with people. I strongly against that.
 
Magatsu,

Yes, I can see where you coming from. Thanks for responding back sweetie ;)
 
Magatsu said:
Latter one. Most fathers would not mad at their daughters if they get pregnant from rape (I wouldn't too and I will be more mad at that rapist and want to eat his brain). Concerning about why and protection, that's the biggest problem in America. Believe or not, abstitence is not working. They did tried that in Texas and it failed miserably (big time). What next? Parents really need to educate their own children and engage them into long discussion and all. Most of these parents refer their own children to the school to take care of that. Trying to hide the sex information will make this situation much worse.

LOL, sorry, I like the part you said want to eat his brains, I had to laugh at that line...really cute....

I agree with you Magatsu, It the parents job to teach our children about sex and how to protect themselves, and I noticed some parent intend to hide it from their children, but when they do that, they learn it from somewhere else, and how would it teach their children to protect themselves if they happen to have sex...I know some parents out there are not doing their job as they are suppose to be doing, and some of them have a strict religious, and they don't talk to their children about sex either, which I have noticed....I find that quite sad too....
 
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