A hate crime....

TXgolfer said:
Ah, but you said "hate crime laws" specifically. Are hate crime laws necessary for parents to talk to kids? Schools to talk to classes? Community leaders to talk to the public?

Of course not.
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If there was no hate crime there would be no need for hate crime laws.... you are being silly now.
 
TXgolfer said:
Ah, but you said "hate crime laws" specifically. Are hate crime laws necessary for parents to talk to kids? Schools to talk to classes? Community leaders to talk to the public?

Of course not.
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Hate Crime law was necessary to equalize issuance of punishment for criminals.

and what can we do to reduce hate crime statistic? simple - talk to your kids and public. now we've got Anti-Bullying campaign going on. hoorah for them.
 
Jiro said:
Hate Crime law was necessary to equalize issuance of punishment for the crimes.

and what can we do to reduce hate crime statistic? simple - talk to your kids and public. now we've got Anti-Bullying campaign going on. hoorah for them.
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Right.

Stop reinforcing the belief systems and stratification that make hate crimes possible. Hard to understand? I think not.
 
jillio said:
Silly, or completely superficial? Maybe a combination of the two.
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I think he is just looking to take a combative position. He thinks I left myself open and he is trying to nail me for it. Arguing for the sake of arguing is just pointless.
 
naisho said:
Yeah, for sure. I manually added them without spreadsheet program to reduce any chance of error, but it's still there after summing it up.

These numbers must be either rounded by the BoP or they might be some people who were grouped into stuff like "White AND Hispanic" or something... Either that or they made a oopsie somewhere.
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Off topic: I LOVE Excel!:giggle: Makes my quick statistical checks of data so much easier. Don't need the detailed features of SPSS much of the time.
 
Cheetah said:
I think he is just looking to take a combative position. He thinks I left myself open and he is trying to nail me for it. Arguing for the sake of arguing is just pointless.
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Profile of a bully?:hmm: Taking the negative position just so people will interact with you in some way.
 
jillio said:
They have managed to expose themselves. My assistance is not needed.:cool2: Hatred and bigotry always comes to light.
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Without naming names, why not take a stab at it? Maybe the class might learn something. If I have exposed myself as a bigot, etc, I would want to know.
 
Cheetah said:
If there was no hate crime there would be no need for hate crime laws.... you are being silly now.
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Not really, you made a claim. Yet, "hate crime laws" are not necessary for people to discuss "tolerance"
 
saywhatkid said:
Without naming names, why not take a stab at it? Maybe the class might learn something. If I have exposed myself as a bigot, etc, I would want to know.
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Like I said, it is right there. Jumps out if you look at it with an open mind.

And I do believe, as you have demonstrated prior, that you have an open mind.
 
I'll be honest.

Hate crime doesn't make sense. It is unfair.

If racism didn't exist, that is.
 
Jiro said:
Hate Crime law was necessary to equalize issuance of punishment for criminals.
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Actually the purpose of hate crimes is to make the punishments unequal. ie. Hate crimes are more serious.

Minimum or mandatory sentences would be more effective
 
TXgolfer said:
Actually the purpose of hate crimes is to make the punishments unequal. ie. Hate crimes are more serious.

Minimum or mandatory sentences would be more effective
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Effective for...?

Specifically to reduce crime in general or...?
 
TXgolfer said:
Actually the purpose of hate crimes is to make the punishments unequal. ie. Hate crimes are more serious.

Minimum or mandatory sentences would be more effective
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You have a strange concept of equalization.:cool2:

Minimum and mandatory sentences have been in place for years. They have contributed to the inequitable application of the law.
 
TXgolfer said:
Not really, you made a claim. Yet, "hate crime laws" are not necessary for people to discuss "tolerance"
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Apparently it is, the problem was severe enough to get legislation on the books. And if it's bad enough to needs laws then it's even more important that we talk about it.

People need to be told that hate is wrong. And they need to be told why.

Ignorance only begets ignorance.
 
TXgolfer said:
Actually the purpose of hate crimes is to make the punishments unequal. ie. Hate crimes are more serious.

Minimum or mandatory sentences would be more effective
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right. that's what we're telling you. minimum and mandatory sentences have been used disproportionately and unfairly.

hence.... my post #262
Jiro said:
excellent example. let us look at how it was in the past before Hate Crime law came into existence..

Person A (white) beats up Person B (black) with a baseball bat. Person A gets minimal sentence.

Person B (black) beats up Person A (white) with a baseball bat. Person B gets maximum sentence or... life prison.
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Cheetah said:
Apparently it is, the problem was severe enough to get legislation on the books. And if it's bad enough to needs laws then it's even more important that we talk about it.

People need to be told that hate is wrong. And they need to be told why.

Ignorance only begets ignorance.
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And it increases exponentially. It is said that one can only teach something like 80% of what they know. Think how much worse the ignorance gets in a short amount of time.
 
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