7-year-old suspected of beating infant sister to death

it is so sad...we had a recent accident with my boys. my oldest son hit my youngest son with cars on his head in their own bedroom at night...my youngest had bruises all over his head so that's why we had to step down and separate them and let them have their own bedrooms.

you can not leave a child alone with infant. you will never know...always keep a close eye on your own children. we learned a huge valuable lesson from this.
 
CrazyRedHeadWV said:
Oh dear!! That boy watch too much violence movies or tv shows. He is jealous of his sister, cause he is not getting all the attentions from his father and his baby sister does get all the attentions. Oh boy. It's shame!
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The problem is neglection which it's no good.
 
I beleive that childhood abuse/unhappy/neglect/depression/unsatafisty life etc. may be to "force" the children to become the monster/volience/crime. I notice alot of children become criminal due their unhappy backgrounds.



I would suggest you to check this link over Positive Discipline. It teach the children to learn how to respect/confident without spank them.

http://www.empoweringpeople.com/store/page1.html#B110



Yes, I'm agree that it's not easy for the parents to raising their children like this. I know that we all couldn't be prefect parents but we tried our best what we can.
 
we had a recent accident with my boys. my oldest son hit my youngest son with cars on his head in their own bedroom at night
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Do you think your oldest son would have hit your youngest son if he were only an infant? Generally sibling rivalry is normal (ie youngest takes a toy and oldest hits him for it), but to beat a defenseless baby is not normal. What your boys did seems to be within the normal range.

I would suggest you to check this link over Positive Discipline. It teach the children to learn how to respect/confident without spank them.
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My mama spanked me and I haven't gone off and killed anybody......yet. :naughty:

You are also welcome to your opinions and suggestions, but I am also welcome to tell you where to shove them. Dr. Spock started this whole culture of non-spanking and look where his son ended up.
 
Eve said:
My mama spanked me and I haven't gone off and killed anybody......yet. :naughty:

You are also welcome to your opinions and suggestions, but I am also welcome to tell you where to shove them. Dr. Spock started this whole culture of non-spanking and look where his son ended up.
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I can tell you the same thing. I also grew up with spankings, and I turned out alright. :mrgreen:

As for corporal punishment, I really don't know what side of the issue I come down on. But, there are times when the only thing a kid will respond to is a good wallop on the backside. I also think that spanking alone does NOT constitute child abuse, and a parent isn't going to turn their kid into a killer just because they spanked him/her.

I think you are right, Eve. This country lost it when they started treating their children like little adults. Children are NOT little adults. They are children, and they need to be tought respect, and when you've grounded him/her for 100th time, and it has NO affect, then you need to move onto something the child WILL understand.
 
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Being a parent is not an easy job but with lot of love, understanding, caring, respect and teach your child/ren in the right direction. I get lot of complinent from ppl telling me that I did good job raising my son but at the same times, I do worry about him growing up and do the right thing. I am always wondering if I really am doing my job. Since my exh was not doing his job with his kids from the previous marriage and I learned alot from there on. I will step on it when I see something is wrong and tried to help my child.

So being parents aint easy job but sometimes the parents need help outside from their home and it doesnt hurt to ask for help.
 
Liebling what's been going on in the news with that since the incident?
Have they decided on any punishment for the child??

also, do you happen to know the infanticide laws in Fla? Thanks :P
 
This is very very depressing story here...

I don't quite understand how could a parent not being able to hear a baby screaming and crying out loud when the 7 years old half brother was beaten and kicking her? ( since babies do scream and cry out loud enough for them to hear ) also how could a parent leave a 7 years old child in the house alone with her? I believe the most blame should be put onto the parents than the 7 years old child....Such a shame to see a very young boy would do something like this....

I also believe that the parent should be charge for neglect both of their children, I believe this wouldn't happen unless they have paid more attention on this kind of behavior, since parents can sense signs on children's behavior in the early stage and maybe that could have save her life and the boy wouldn't be where he's at now....He's going to live for the rest of his life knowing what he did to his little sister...Looks like the parents lost both of their children.... :(
 
VERY SAD!!!!!!!! THIS IS VERY DRAMIC DREPRESSING SITUATION!.... The seven year old boy need to avoid of jealousy problems... The parents are not enought to show how much they loves the seven year old boy.... The seven year old boy is full of revanage himself.. he cant help when he saw what the parents spend time with seven months old baby girl.. make him real jealousy... I think the parents should show a seven year old boy respect and love each other than pay attention their baby... I dont understand why the parents left the seven year old boy alone at their home with seven months old baby girl? i felt bad about the seven months old baby girl already gone !
i hope the court or the police will do something about the parents have done with left a seven year old boy and cute newborn baby girl.....
 
yeah.. I never grew up with sibilings since im only child. it is an challenge for me to experience siblings.. but my hubby did... it is gettin gbetter but still always fight over toys. I ain't surprised.

Oh yeah, I had thousands of spankings, I ended up fine. I don't undy why everyone takes so seriously if one child has been spanked...talking does not work all the time. believe me....

it is just the society takes everything too serious and personal.
 
*sigh*

I think that suggest child who has voilent or abuse or else anything name it.. Best placed for child at rehabilition Centre instead of jail.. as condiser residence.

I wish there have build up new law legistation in usa and where provide best for children who have diffculties anger management.. come there right place which the best choice than jail. Jail have no provide for child "understanding" Will come more growth as no remorse and attuides too.
But, In Canada, Doesn't do that.. Just send child goes to rehabilitation centre residence short or long term. Will help the child become more understanding and anger management invovled so many different rescoures provides suitable fit for a child(s). If 12 years old over, can be involved possible Adult Crime court *depend the case*
 
Yes, Bullym0m it´s same here in Germany. They don´t cuff children but help them with therapies, rehab. etc to improve their education.

Cuff and punish the children help nothings but worst...

Oh yeah, I had thousands of spankings, I ended up fine. I don't undy why everyone takes so seriously if one child has been spanked...talking does not work all the time. believe me....
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Well, I´m mother of 2 livid sons. Yes, talking to children does help when you have time to be patience.

Spanking the children is not belong to children upbringing. Alot of parents thinks that spanking the children is quick and easy to save time without explanation which it´s not true. I received alot of spankings without get an explanation why I should do that or not ... Just spanking because I am naughty, that´s all. I have no trust and open connection with my parents because we have nothing to say.

I explained my children why they should not do that in hard tone and gave them house ground. I stay hard and give them limit why they should not do that etc. It makes the children respect more and more due my patience. My children feel comfortable to talk open with me everything. The children disrespect you more and more if you carried on to spanking them.
 
I use time out method on my oldest.. seems it is working slowly.. I take a toy away until he behaves...it is like a stragety game that you have to figure out how to discpline a kid.
 
Well, I´m mother of 2 livid sons. Yes, talking to children does help when you have time to be patience.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=livid
liv·id ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lvd)
adj.
Discolored, as from a bruise; black-and-blue.
Ashen or pallid: a face livid with shock.
Extremely angry; furious.
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According to Webster, either you have been beating your children or seriously pissed them off. :wink: I am sure you meant "living".

Spanking the children is not belong to children upbringing. Alot of parents thinks that spanking the children is quick and easy to save time without explanation which it´s not true. I received alot of spankings without get an explanation why I should do that or not ... Just spanking because I am naughty, that´s all. I have no trust and open connection with my parents because we have nothing to say.
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Obviously you can't speak for all children or parents. Many parents do take the time to discuss the situation with their child and explain why they are getting a spanking, what their expectations are, and use the opportunity to explain that they are spanking because they love the child and do not want them to grow up without the knowledge and understanding of rules and consequences. Spanking can be an extremely effective means of discipline if carried out correctly. As I have said before, there is a huge difference between spanking and abuse.

I explained my children why they should not do that in hard tone and gave them house ground. I stay hard and give them limit why they should not do that etc. It makes the children respect more and more due my patience. My children feel comfortable to talk open with me everything. The children disrespect you more and more if you carried on to spanking them.
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Actually, I found that I respected my parents more for taking the time to make me behave appropriately, rather than ending up in prison or on the streets because I had no self-control or appreciation for the rules of society.

What worked for you may not work for everyone. I am not saying that your parenting style is ineffective or wrong, but you have no right to govern my parenting style either. My children are taught to be responsible for their own actions and will be valuable members of society despite having had a few spankings along the way.
 
Eve said:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lividAccording to Webster, either you have been beating your children or seriously pissed them off. :wink: I am sure you meant "living".
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:lol: I confused livid with lively. Thank you for correct. :Oops:
Obviously you can't speak for all children or parents.
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Yes, I know that every parents and children have different. I only speak for my opinion in general way what I know the tips from therapies, parents conference, etc. I do not expect you to take my advice because it's your own decision what's good for you and your child.

Many parents do take the time to discuss the situation with their child and explain why they are getting a spanking, what their expectations are, and use the opportunity to explain that they are spanking because they love the child and do not want them to grow up without the knowledge and understanding of rules and consequences. Spanking can be an extremely effective means of discipline if carried out correctly.
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I admitted that I spanked my 1st son before. It got him aggressive/wild. It took me long to calm him down and explained him why I do that. I learned from therapies, parents conference, etc and realized how wrong I am. I tried on my son without spankling and surprised that it works due patience. I know what hurt alike when my parents did to me. It still hurt on the children after spankling when you explained them why you do that.

I limit my children with hard way why they should not do that or can do. I warned them that I will get madder if they tried to box me to get something what they wants because they know why I say no that's mean is NO, period. They give up and leave me alone.

How the children's behavior comes from is neglect from their parents and don't bother to explain them why they got the spankling from their parents. The parents conference explain that most parents think it's easy to do is spankling children which it's not true. Spanking is not belong education but hurt like punishment.

As I have said before, there is a huge difference between spanking and abuse.
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Yes, I know the difference between spanking and abuse but for law system. :roll: I'm not saying that you are bad mother or parents because you spank your child. It's just because we have different opinions over children upbringing education.
Most teenagers use this and can sue their parents for that. I read the newspaper few months ago saying that a girl sued her mother for slap her face. Mother pay 150 EURO fine and receive warning. The law system change alot and different as my time to protect the children from abuse. We (parents) are helpless against the law system.

Actually, I found that I respected my parents more for taking the time to make me behave appropriately, rather than ending up in prison or on the streets because I had no self-control or appreciation for the rules of society.
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Yes, the children respect their parents more only if they are patience with their children and give them limit into right path in strong willing way. The children have the feeling and know the parents's concern/caring for them when the parents give them an explanation/sit and have a talk with them.

That's how the children's behavior comes from is due parent's neglecting which it's no good.

What worked for you may not work for everyone. I am not saying that your parenting style is ineffective or wrong, but you have no right to govern my parenting style either. My children are taught to be responsible for their own actions and will be valuable members of society despite having had a few spankings along the way.
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I never say that you are wrong but my opinion in general way how/where I got from. What's this forum for is healthy debate with agree to disagree respectful.

Yes, I never say that you are bad parent and make you to accept my children upbringing education but give you my opinion in general way. I respect you and your children upbringing because we have different opinions. I may be agree with you or not when I learn anything from this forum what good or bad which it's good for me.

Spanking the children doesn't mean that you are a bad parent because I know the difference.
Yes, I know that every children's behavior are not same. Depend how the parents can deal with children upbringing.

It's not easy with law system over children protection.

 
Eve said:
My stepson was six years old when he threw my 5-year-old daughter down the stairs, physically assaulted me while I was pregnant, and attempted to rape my daughter.
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How could he rape the girl when he did not have the dick hard-on (puberty)?? :confused:
 
I found the link from google where there're discussion over this "abuse" issue in other forum today and remember that there're also discussion here, too and thought to myself to add this interesting link to here.

Very interesting link, it's worth to read them.



http://www.naturalchild.com/alice_miller/violence_kills_love.html

AM: Spanking is always an abuse of power. It is humiliating and it creates fear. A state of fear can only teach children to be distrustful and hide their true feelings. They learn from their parents that violence is the right way of resolving conflicts and that they are bad or unworthy and thus deserve correction. These children will soon forget why they were spanked. They will submit very quickly, but later in life, they will do the same to weaker persons. By spanking we teach violence. The child’s body has learned the lesson of violence from their parents over a long period and we cannot expect it to suddenly forget these lessons at the behest of religious values, which the body doesn’t understand anyway. Instead, it retains the memory of being spanked.
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Very true

About threat, spanking, force, etc.

http://www.nospank.net/plntk.htm
 
This is a very depressing story here. :(

^Angel^ said:
I don't quite understand how could a parent not being able to hear a baby screaming and crying out loud when the 7 years old half brother was beaten and kicking her? ( since babies do scream and cry out loud enough for them to hear ) also how could a parent leave a 7 years old child in the house alone with her? I believe the most blame should be put onto the parents than the 7 years old child....
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Agree! Why in the world would a father and his girlfriend were outside visiting with neighbors while those two small children are in the house alone? Didn't they hear the baby cry? And what is that boy doing up at midnight? Have they checked to see if he was in bed? or did he ever went to bed?

Eve said:
this kid had problems before the baby ever came into the picture.
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If he had problems before his sister was born, they would never leave that boy alone with the sister in the first place and he should have gotten treatment for his problem. Have that took place?
 
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