Never ever declaw a cat...

[Liebling:-)))]

Yes, I did several times and tried to training my cats.. seems so strong quite stubborn.. I raised my voice and kept them stop scratching my furnitures.. I encourged them use scratching post. Rest of my Cats think it's boring toy. Ugh.. I gave it up.. I'm glad two cats loves stayed outside of sunroom that where sun rayed on their body... *felt so good*

(chuckles)
Saved my bell... Have not gone scratched on my furnitures since a year from now.. I'm glad cats loves stayed sunroom.. which it's great news!

Understand what you mean...

more scratching posts and give them more toys or play with them, they won´t be boring.

Yes, you should raise your voice often to say NO.... they will know you don´t like it. just say NO.

You described about your 2 cats sound similar to my Kim who loves stay outside... I can see that Kim is outdoor cat, not indoor cat. She loves outside... I trained her as indoor cat but it´s very hard... after dog attack, I strictly to keep her indoor... until last month she escaped out of house door and end car accident...

It´s good to know which and where your cats prefer to stay... then accept what they are...which is great!!!

 

[IslandGal]

My aunt’s cat was not as lucky as these cats that had no problems after being declawed because it died from infection that it had after being declawed. Not all declawings are successful.

Human females also have their tubes tied and human males with their vas deferens removed but do they go with having the tips of bones in their fingers amputated? I don’t think so. Neutering/spaying should not be compared to declawings at all.

I haven’t used the Soft Paws at all after I researched on it. What I did was to train my kitten (she is now a year and a half old) to use the scratching post or a cardboard box to scratch on. I also keep her claws clipped short. Patience is all what is needed to train and raise a cat.

Laser declawing may be less painful but it is still the same as the traditional declawing when it comes to amputating the tips of bones from the cats’ paws.

By the way, West Hollywood in California became the first U.S. city to ban the declawings in 2003 and some other cities are trying to follow with the ban as well.

 

[IslandGal]

Yes I did the same as you as well. Yes I agree it´s not really hard to train the pets to not do that or do that.

I thought all the time that declaw is just remove nail after learn about banned list over pets like declaw, tail docking, ear cropping etc... I know about tail docking and ear cropping... declaw... I can understand it´s hurt to remove nail... like they would remove my nails...until I learned other declaw thread for a first time last year that it´s NOT just nail but bones, vessel, etc. Yes I was very shock because I didn´t know that Declaw is a form of an amputation. Of course we have hot debated there and accept the fact that it´s American culture and show my respect to the pet owners when I respectful disagree with their choice and see different as them.

Same with me, I thought it was just the removal of the claws when I first got the kitten for my daughter's birthday but after a friend told me that it was more than that. She then gave me some links to look at and I was shocked to learn that the tips of bones were also removed along with the claws. It is really amputation not "removal". I am glad that I did some researchings on declawings before I went ahead with the declawing.

 

[Reba]

Your own word

Are you accusing me of lying?

I was like because you questioned to "compare" human nail with animal claw. I only compared human fingertips with animal claw, not human nail.

You are the one who compared toddlers with cats scratching furniture.

This is your opinion.

That's my fact. I never punished my cats or dogs for any accidents that they did.

You weren't there, and you definitely weren't inside my head, so you can't contradict what I post about things I do or say. If I say I did something or didn't do something, I'm not lying. You might not agree with what I do or say, but you can't accuse me of lying.

 

[IslandGal]

I'm sure there are humane ways to declaw a cat. You should only declaw the front and not the back claws. If you declaw the back claws then the cat will have no way to defend itself incase it gets outside and into a fight.

But the cats mostly use their front claws to defend themselves from harm. It is like with humans mostly need their hands when it comes to defending themselves

 

[rockdrummer]

But the cats mostly use their front claws to defend themselves from harm. It is like with humans mostly need their hands when it comes to defending themselves

I believe that is true when the cat has front claws but when the cat knows he only has rear claws the cat will use those rear claws in a fight if need be.

 

[Reba]

I believe that is true when the cat has front claws but when the cat knows he only has rear claws the cat will use those rear claws in a fight if need be.

That's a fact. My cats used their rear claws a lot at bath time.

My Ninja kitty also used his front paws to box with. He was just like a prize fighter, delivering quick 1-2 punches.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Are you accusing me of lying?

I pasted your own word. Where have I say anything to accuse you as a liar? This is a false assumption of you.

You are the one who compared toddlers with cats scratching furniture.

No, again - you made a false assumption. My own word to compare human fingertips with cat´s claw, not nail. You are the one who misinterpreted my own word.

See my own word

Liebling´s post
Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture?

That's my fact.

No, it´s not fact but opinion. You and I have different point of view on declaw.

I never punished my cats or dogs for any accidents that they did.

You weren't there, and you definitely weren't inside my head, so you can't contradict what I post about things I do or say. If I say I did something or didn't do something, I'm not lying. You might not agree with what I do or say, but you can't accuse me of lying.

I only pointed in polite way that we have different point of view on declaw, that´s all. I really has no idea why you are upset, that´s because I simple pointed out that it´s your opinion without insult/bash you as a liar, cruel, etc...

Please don´t make a false assumption because I did not say anything to upset you or accuse you as a liar or whatever.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

But the cats mostly use their front claws to defend themselves from harm. It is like with humans mostly need their hands when it comes to defending themselves

Exactly... that´s what I am wondering after read rockdrummer´s post and questioned him about this.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Same with me, I thought it was just the removal of the claws when I first got the kitten for my daughter's birthday but after a friend told me that it was more than that. She then gave me some links to look at and I was shocked to learn that the tips of bones were also removed along with the claws. It is really amputation not "removal". I am glad that I did some researchings on declawings before I went ahead with the declawing.

Yes, I would of thought all the time that it´s just claw (nail) removal if you didn´t create the thread. I am glad that you created the thread last year which is good education for us. I know what exact declaw is -

 

[JeepGirl]

People who have limbs amputated don't always get infections either.
Just because some cats don't get infections from declawing doesn't make it any less INHUMANE.
Declawing a cat is inhumane, cruel abuse for this simple reason - it's like amputating a fingers with part of a hand in human.

It's CRUEL CRUEL CRUEL. no if and buts about it

Fuzzy

that's just a personal choice. you chose to think its cruel which is fine.. that's your own decision.

 

[JeepGirl]

I noticed some of you tried to compare declaw cats with neuter/spaying and vaccines which I respectfully disagreed.

I can't even believe that you can compare neuter/spaying, vaccines with declaw. I am trying to be polite to make my post here to aviod drama.

First of all, neuter/spaying and vaccines are not amputation but clean procedure.

The cats are being force/punish to declaw because they damaged their owners´furniture or scratch them... It look like a punishment to me. (IMO).

I would compare cat declaw with human finger tips, not Neuter/spaying and vaccines. Is it okay to cut human´s finger tips that´s because they scratch you or damage your furniture? What´s wrong to train human and animal to not do that?

Neuter/spaying and vaccines issues are not the same thing as declaw issues.

I suppose you're actually speaking of me.

you need to think about spaying and nuetering.. there are pros and cons into it. if you don't get your cat/dog spayed or nuetered, there are side effects. short life, illness at early age, too many littering, etc.

vaccines... why do you think all the animals need vaccines? to provent from being sick, getting rabies shot to provent getting rabies from wild animals, etc. when all that is ignored.. what happens??? short life, not caring for the animals. Leib.. i don't think you realize why i brought it up. My whole point was... when a person neglects a pet, not taking care of it, not getting what a pet needs.. what would you do if your child is very sick? take your child to the dr? same with the pet. but alot of people tend to neglect them and just let them die. what do you call that? abuse. getting nuetered/spayed saves lives and a life-long term of living.

the animals have reason to live on earth and to be somebody's pet. a cat getting declawed is but for a good reason.. to keep them inside.. to keep them from scratching other people, to keep from tearing up furnitures.


and again.. its personal choice. i've never had a cat declawed when i was growing up because the cat was an outside cat. i have a 3 legged cat.. she got declawed because she would not be able to take care of herself outside or else she'd be dead. so instead.. i got her declawed and kept her inside.

my orange cat is also an inside cat too and is declawed. no reason. but want to keep her inside at all times.

that's my choice and nobody elses.

you got your own choice.

so that's why i was comparing how ya'll think.. declawing is a big deal when ya'll need to think about other things such as not doing the right thing with a pet when sick, have heartworms, and know what to do when that happens.


but on the other hand, that's how i see it.. and you see it differently.

 

[JeepGirl]

I feel that you misinterpreted my comparison post because I disagree with some posters for compared declaw with vaccines and neuter/spaying and then compared human fingertips with animal claw.

Anyway, I feel from your post that you think it´s just claw... No, it´s not just claw but removed the bone joint, flesh, tendons, nerves, blood vessels...as well. Declaw is a form of an amputation.

I hope this link will helps.

The Facts About Declawing


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How old is this??

 

[Cheri]

Exactly... that´s what I am wondering after read rockdrummer´s post and questioned him about this.

Rockdrummer is stating the truth, I've seen it with my own eyes. My friend has a cat who is also declawed and she recently brought a puppy and that puppy would walk up to her cat, that cat will get on his back and use his rear claws on the puppy to give the puppy a hint that he wants to be left alone. It was so cute.

So rockdrummer is correct cats would know the front paws no longer have claws will most likely use their rear to fight back.

 

[IslandGal]

Close your eyes and pretend you are a cat....would you want to go through with the declawings on yourself?

The link that Liebling provided may be old but the procedures of the declawing are still the same as today.

 

[JeepGirl]

Close your eyes and pretend you are a cat....would you want to go through with the declawings on yourself?

The link that Liebling provided may be old but the procedures of the declawing are still the same as today.

If I was hurting people or jeopardizing in their lives by ruining their furnitures or any other things that can possibly need to be declawed then Yes i would want to.


Here it is.. my cat is playing with my foot now and purring... she's happy.

 

[IslandGal]

I do understand what they are saying about it being personal choice when it comes to declawing their cats but what about the cat's choice? It cannot make choices because they cannot speak out. They may be just animals but they do have feelings like human beings do. I am sure they do not want to go through the pain of being declawed and I know I don't want to either.

If I were a cat and I hurt people or tore up furnitures then I would rather have my owner to have me to live outdoors instead of having my paw tips amputated.

Not all declawings are successful, you know? While your cat is happy but my Aunt's cat and several others were the unlucky ones.

 

[JeepGirl]

I do understand what they are saying about it being personal choice when it comes to declawing their cats but what about the cat's choice? It cannot make choices because they cannot speak out. They may be just animals but they do have feelings like human beings do. I am sure they do not want to go through the pain of being declawed and I know I don't want to either.

If I were a cat and I hurt people or tore up furnitures then my choice would be for my owner to have me to live outdoors instead of having my paw tips amputated.

Not all declawings are successful, you know? While your cat is happy but my Aunt's cat and several others were the unlucky ones.

You're right.. not all declawed ones are successful. I'm just saying.. my cat is happy and have no problem with complications. and yes.. there are alot of unlucky ones out there. I feel for them, I do. I'm just saying.. i'm not against it. just a personal choice.. just like you have a personal choice which is fine too.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

You're right.. not all declawed ones are successful. I'm just saying.. my cat is happy and have no problem with complications. and yes.. there are alot of unlucky ones out there. I feel for them, I do. I'm just saying.. i'm not against it. just a personal choice.. just like you have a personal choice which is fine too.

yep, personal choice to abuse an animal, or not.

Fuzzy

 

[GalaxyAngel]

AudioFuzzy,
Whatever if you so called them whoever cruel abuse their cat declawed..

I don't give you a damn... I don't judge you about every per details which you kept tend throwing their mouths again..

You have to respect them everyone who prefer not declawed or declawed.
*sigh* Seems you not even care all you want war w/other AD'ers about this topic.
Ridcouisly!