Do you treat human and animal equal?

[vrsterp]

There's always other dogs out there I could get another one... same kinds that I have, if my dogs should die in the fire.

Really? i feel the same way about children. You can always have more. Let a couple burn.

When you take on the responsibility of a pet, you take on the WHOLE responsibility as if they were a child. NOT just when it's convenient for you.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

There's always other dogs out there I could get another one... same kinds that I have, if my dogs should die in the fire.

For me, there're no animal replacement.

I do not beleive to replace animal with dead animal. I will NEVER replace my soon to be 21 years old Sussi, cat with new cat after she gone peacefully.

 

[Maria]

Really? i feel the same way about children. You can always have more. Let a couple burn.

When you take on the responsibility of a pet, you take on the WHOLE responsibility as if they were a child. NOT just when it's convenient for you.

No, I am just sayin' that IF my dogs are babies like if they can't run after me when I call them their names to get out of house when it is on fire...then, there's nothin' I could do because, I chose to save my children first UNLESS, if there's time to go back in to get my dogs before my dogs die. It all depends on timin' before all the roof and walls fell on the ground, if you get my drift.

There's always ONE vsterp. There's no other vsterp, if you die. It's why I said my children will never be replaced as I chose to save them.

I have my own German Shepherd ... and, there's more German Shepheds out there. Of course, I can understand if someone says that dogs can not be replaced..> BUT, which one is MORE important to you - animal OR child ? Will your instinct tell you to go after the child to save him/or her instead of animal ?

 

[Maria]

For me, there're no animal replacement.

I do not beleive to replace animal with dead animal. I will NEVER replace my soon to be 21 years old Sussi, cat with new cat after she gone peacefully.

Well, I feel that my children or child ( human/s ) is MORE important to me than animals, because there's always German Shepherds or Coonhounds or other kind of breeds out there. BUT, my children - there is no others like my children. Like for example : I am only and ONE Maria and there's no other like Maria. There's only one Maria out of billion people. It's why I chose my children over animals.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Rights are not the same as obligations.

Yes you are right that Rights and obligation are not the same thing. The reason I use obligation because I never said that animals and humans are the same/equal but treat the animal and human equal… This is a difference.

Here is my answer to your questions about “Rights”.

Again, I am not saying that humans and animals always have the same rights but animals have their own rights/law as the same the humans have their own rights/law as well.

Animals and humans have the rights to be treated with respect. Example: humans who have different races should deserve the equal, not treat them as racism, gay, sexism etc. I'm sure that you know that humans do not always have rights. Example, the people who suffer severe mental disadvantages, disability etc do not have a right to have a good job, education, etc. The judge sentence crimes with different races differently. They refused to vote Hillary Clinton because she is a woman, Disability rights should be not discrimination and neglect etc. It’s exact same thing as animals rights as well for not abuse and use them as animal testing, treat them horrible or throw animal out to shelter that's because the owners are fed up with them, use animals to business with circus, etc. They should not do that to animals.

It’s not matter which different we are but we all have the same feeling, pain and suffering. All what I am saying here is the animal and human should be treat equal with respect, no more than that. I am glad that humans have heart to fix the law/rights for animals and treat them equal with respect because they knows that animals can't defend themselves against humans's cruelty, abuse, etc. It’s wonderful if every animal who have loving and responsible owner, not beaten, burned, abused, give away to shelter, throw them to street, etc.

I think it’s ridiculous to use “material”, foods, rights etc as an example to compare animals and humans because they are not psychological beings. Yes they live different and eat different foods etc but they have same feeling, suffering and pain as us. They deserve our respect that animal should not be treat worthless.

Legally, animals aren't put to sleep for "abusing" humans. They are put to sleep for attacking humans.

You didn't provide much information regarding the comparison, so I can only base my answer on those scanty details.

Yes, that's fair.

Really?
Link Between Animal and Human Violence

I know that human and animal are different but I like to call it as human and animal abuse.

Example: Animals are being abuse/neglect/feeling being worthless by humans that's how to lead them to attack humans. Small humans exposed to disrespect animals that's how to end being hurt themselves.

Humans didn't get death penalty for kill animals but punishment.
Animals get "death penalty" for attack/hurt survivors.

Is it fair?

But animals don't volunteer. So if people and animals are equal, that means people should be forced to experience medical experimentation.

This is why, I am glad that the animal-lovers have good heart for animals and fix the law/rights for animals because they know that the animals can't defend themselves and cannot do voluntarily.

That's your choice (I won't tell DSS).

What is this DSS? Do you mean CPS? If yes, you can report DDS.

My grandsons aren't my pets, and my pets aren't my children. I will never compare my precious grandsons to animals, and I refuse to treat them like animals.

*scratch my head* I do not understand your answer. Where have I said that I treat my children as animal... I'm sorry that you interpret my post in the wrong way. I said that we educate my children to show their respect on animals, not abuse them.

Okay, I respect your choice for not educate them to be good and kind to other animals as well as humans. It teachs them to believe that animals are worthless.

We have 4 chairs and table for our meal in the kitchen for 4 of us. I was like when I saw Alan carried one chair from basement up to kitchen. I asked him why he get extra chair then and then said that I didn't know that he has a guest... Guess what? Alan pointed his finger to 2 sleeping cats on his favorite chair and don't want to bother their "beauty sleep" that's why he get other chair. I am really proud of him to show his loving respect and treat our cats as special instead of push them out of the chair that's because he need a chair. I explained him that he can loving pat them gentle until they are wake up then get out of chair themselves like what we did or carried them to their favorite cushion to sleep. He don't want to interfere their "beauty sleeping"... it's cute talk of him...

That's the point. We're comparing humans and animals. Humans and animals are NOT the same, and shouldn't be treated the same way.

I beleive humans and animals deserve our respect to be treat equal. Okay, I respect your choice for not treat humans and animals equal with respect.

BTW, humans can die from rabies. That's why dogs are required to get rabies vaccinations. Humans are not required to get the shots. Humans get rabies shots only if they've been exposed to a rabid animal.

Do your kids eat meat? (Ham, beef, chicken, any kind of meat)

So you don't eat any meat, right? You don't wear leather, right? Good. That is totally equal treatment.

OK, I'll make it more general.

Do your kids eat meat, any kind of meat?

If a person believes animals are equal to a human child, then is it equally OK to eat human flesh? Or is it equally wrong to eat all flesh, human and animal?

I eat animal meat because humans and animals are not the same.
I don't eat human meat because humans and animals are not the same.

You can eat (or not eat) both animal and human meat because you believe humans and animals are the same.

It’s psychological side; I am referring to, not material, foods, etc. because humans and animals have the same feeling, pain, suffering etc. where the title of my thread is about.

You can compare the foods, material etc. between humans and animals IF I questioned "Do humans and animals are the same/equal"? but I didn't because I know humans and animals live different and eat different foods, rights, law etc but they have same feeling, suffering and pain as us. They deserve our respect that animal should not be treat worthless like racism, sexism, gays, etc.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, I feel that my children or child ( human/s ) is MORE important to me than animals, because there's always German Shepherds or Coonhounds or other kind of breeds out there. BUT, my children - there is no others like my children. Like for example : I am only and ONE Maria and there's no other like Maria. There's only one Maria out of billion people. It's why I chose my children over animals.

Don't you know that animals have different personality when you want to replace new German Shepherd with your dead German Shepherd?

 

[Maria]

Don't you know that animals have different personality when you want to replace new German Shepherd with your dead German Shepherd?

Naw... I will train German Shepherd the same while she or he is young puppy just like my own German Shepherd. My German Shepherd is 4 years old. I don't train differently. I will train all the same.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Naw... I will train German Shepherd the same while she or he is young puppy just like my own German Shepherd. My German Shepherd is 4 years old. I don't train differently. I will train all the same.

It look like that you has a little knowledge about animals. I hope someone come to answer your post what they know from their experience with dogs and animals.

It has nothing do with training but each animal have different personality. I educate my children equal but they have different personalities. I know you educated your 4 children equal but do they have same personality?

I myself have 4 cats. They do have different personality.

 

[Maria]

It look like that you has a little knowledge about animals. I hope someone come to answer your post what they know from their experience with dogs and animals.

It has nothing do with training but each animal have different personality. I educate my children equal but they have different personalities. I know you educated your 4 children equal but do they have same personality?

I myself have 4 cats. They do have different personality.

I understand about different personality, but I CHOSE children FIRST than animals. Children are more precious than animals. Children are very unique... more superior than animals.

I don't need anyone to answer to my post what they know from their own experience with dogs and animals. I know what I am doin' since I am mother of 4 children and furkids.

You and I are different personality and we don't look like the same. We view different and so are our knowledge. We don't think the same. It's why you believe that humans and animals are EQUAL. I believe children are # 1 than animals. Yes, I know about my dogs that I dearly love so much, but I don't view them as # 1 important like my children are. I have my strong instinct that will choose my children more importantly than my dogs if, there's a fire in the house or somethin' that is really bad.

I don't believe that the children and animals are sincere EQUAL. That's MY view.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It's why you believe that humans and animals are EQUAL.

Go back and re-read the title of my thread. I never said that humans and animals are equal/same but TREAT animals and humans equal which mean is treat humans and animals equal with respect (see my last respond to Reba).

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I believe children are # 1 than animals. Yes, I know about my dogs that I dearly love so much, but I don't view them as # 1 important like my children are. I have my strong instinct that will choose my children more importantly than my dogs if, there's a fire in the house or somethin' that is really bad.

Yes, it's normal that children come first before animal but they deserve to be treat equal with respect.

It's my responsible to rescue ALL who lives in my house, not just pick one to rescue.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

My answer is: People come first before animals but of
course, animals should be treated with respect.

I questioned you at Pitbull thread either you put animal first before child or not. You answered my question that you love both people and animals.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

They do not suffer having many babies. WE SUFFER from the overpopulation of animals, especially stray ones.

Oh yes, animals do suffer to breed more babies as well. It's unfair for them... I remember my mother can't afford to neuter our montrol dog. She had puppies dozen of times... She look worn out and thinner.

Sure, animals are parts of our families, but they are still not equal. The only legal rights they have are to live in a safe environment.

Yes I know that animal and human are not equal/same but treat them equal with respect where the title of my thread is about. This is a difference between "animal and human are not equal" and "Treat animal and human equal".

 

[Liebling:-)))]

at Reba and Liebling's debate..I laughed at some of them. Not to be mean but I couldnt help it.

This thread is good to expose us with sense of humor. I have no problem with that... Oh yes, I laugh, too...

 

[Capmeister]

Man isn't at the top. And it's not a line. It's a web.

I suppose one could say it's a web, but man is one of the animals at the top, as nothing hunts man for food. (Which is not to say that if at the wrong place and time he will not get chewed on... but we are not the usual food for any predator.)

 

[Foxrac]

Well, I feel that my children or child ( human/s ) is MORE important to me than animals, because there's always German Shepherds or Coonhounds or other kind of breeds out there. BUT, my children - there is no others like my children. Like for example : I am only and ONE Maria and there's no other like Maria. There's only one Maria out of billion people. It's why I chose my children over animals.

For me, I think that both of them are important because of living thing.

Animals aren't fake or no soul, same goes to humans.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, it's normal that children come first before animal but they deserve to be treat equal with respect.

It's my responsible to rescue ALL who lives in my house, not just pick one to rescue.

Yup, it's better to rescue all of them, also if can't then ask fireman to do that.

 

[Foxrac]

Go back and re-read the title of my thread. I never said that humans and animals are equal/same but TREAT animals and humans equal which mean is treat humans and animals equal with respect (see my last respond to Reba).

Yup, I'm going ask question to Reba, that tough one.

Reba, if this house is burning then there's 7 children and 2 cats and what would you rescue all of them on time or getting late, or ask to pick one.

It's fair for you to give us a hard question, also my final answer is... let fireman to do all of them before getting late.

Burning the house is never happened but you can be surprise to find different thing that you can try rescue all of them then if impossible then ask fireman to do it because firemans are require to training to rescue all of people and animals in building that's in burning. I have admit that we never know if happen or so.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes, that's correction. It's property owner's responsible who neglect their house safety and let the fire... That's why the property owner feel duty/obligate to rescue all of them, not just pick one and leave them in the fire. Of course they alarm fire emergencies and try to save all who live in the same household.

That's right, house and school building aren't same.

At school building, it's children's responsible to listen at fire alarm, also it's major responsible for teachers to ask them to get out of this building and there's fire drill in most public school district, that required from state law.

At house is different story, it's parent's responsible to teach kids to how get out during burn in house, that's applied for children who is old enough. If it's babies or toddlers then I must rescue them by carrying on my hand and get out of house. It does same applied to pets that who is infant or small.

Babies and toddlers can be die so easier from overheating if not rescue so properly or prefer to rescue older children at first.

 

[Foxrac]

There's no reason to get upset about this.

The details of a fire are not important. It could be any situation; a car wreck, a sinking boat, the last dose of medicine, falling off a cliff, whatever. The point is, the life of a child is always more important than the life of any animal.

It wasn't a matter of Liebling's answer being "right" or "wrong"; it wasn't an option in the scenario as presented. If you take a "true or false" test, you can't answer "C"; that's not one of the choices available.

According on my opinion, both of children and animals are important, especially for pets.

There's one question about human, what would you recuse at first? 8 month old son or 9 years old daughter