The*Empress
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Vote on Gay Marriage
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Well while I was complaining about my looks last night... I saw something on
the internet about a good looking guy killed himself.... I mean,
why people are so self destruct? I posted about the guy on my *Death*
thread... wow...A good looking guy, with beautiful eyes and
all and he dated a beautiful girl Tatyana Ali who starred in Fresh Prince
of Bel Air with Will Smith. What is going on with you people?
U know I watched on TV about this little girl with birth defect alike yours, it breaks my heart. Ur right no man want a woman with that look unless they are alikeness. Nor woman want man with that look. It is rare for anyone to fall in love with person alike this. I feel for u.
Being married is not same thing as living together, so many straight couples are living together too because they know marriage is risk if they decide they are no longer for eachother, they simple split up but with marriage not that easy. That is why I vote no because too many people does not take marriage serious and ended up getting divorce. Last thing I want to hear gay being divorce from gay.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I have to saying YES to gay marriage!!! IF Iam in other state then I would want to marry MY GF! 
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I voted Yes. I know a few ppl are gays and I can see they are happy. That doesnt bother me at all. If they are happy then I am happy. Also they respect me as I am straight.
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I vote NO! Agree with CyberRed! I not judgment gay / lesbian. Let God between gay /lesbian only. The Empress, Remember that need pray for them and not judgment them nothing. Because They not understand and what meaning Jesus Christ is! My some deaf friends are lesbian. My some deaf friends are gay. I respected them. I did gospel them about Bible. They knew it. Let they decide it anyway.
InTheGenes
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Well, of COURSE you're judging, EagleCherokee63, or you wouldn't have voted, and you wouldn't have bothered posting here.
That said, I must respectfully disagree with you, CyberRed, and the other "No" voters here.
(Slight caveat: I agree with an earlier poster that said that government should really not be in the business of marriage, in the first place. But since they ARE, then I have a few things to say about it.)
Marriage is about more than rearing children. Or, is it your contention that infertile people should not be allowed to marry? What about people past the age of having children? Should they, too, be denied the right to proclaim their love before their God (if they believe in one), friends, and family?
Marriage is also about more than tax benefits, as some have asserted here. While those benefits (and the 1100+ other rights afforded legally married couples in this country) might be a significant component of it for some gay people, I daresay it's not THE defining reason, as I would guess that it's not the defining reason for straight people. (Those of you that are married... what were YOUR reasons for wanting to get married??)
What many people here seem to have overlooked is that for most people, gay or straight, marriage is about love. It is about honoring - publicly, legally and spiritually - a commitment made between two people. It is about saying to the world, "I choose this person above all others, to be my lawfully wedded husband/wife".
Is it possible to have those things without actually marrying someone? Sure, I suppose if you split enough hairs, and went through a bunch of legal hoops, you might approximate some semblance of marriage... but it would never be the SAME as marriage. It would be separate AND (likely) unequal; and honestly, gay people shouldn't have to jump through hoops any more than straight people do. It is an affront to gay people in this country that they are denied this very basic human right, just as it was an affront to the Deaf community back in the late 1800s (and today!) when Alexander Graham Bell and his cohorts were publishing studies in medical journals about why deaf people should not be allowed to marry and have offspring, else run the risk of fostering an "inferior" race of humans.
I'm sick and tired of all the varied reasons and rationalizations people give in defense of their belief that gay marriage (and gay adoption, etc.) is wrong, ESPECIALLY the folks who quote "scripture". I have YET to meet ANYONE who adheres 100% to the holy writ; in my experience, religious belief on the part of most people seems to be very much a "Pick & Choose" buffet, where they take what they like, and discard what they don't. Sorry, but that's bullshit. You either buy the whole package, or you don't. If we can look at various passages in the bible (assuming that you're inclined to do so), and single out things that are "outdated" and "outmoded" (like, oh, I don't know... the whole take on women being inferior and subservient to men, or slaves, or stoning your children to death for disobeying you, or killing someone who wears clothing made of two different fabrics, or killing someone who works on the Sabbath, etc.), then this should certainly be among the items on that list, as well.
Shame on any of you who voted "No". Certainly, you're entitled to your opinions, and I will be the first defend your right to have and express them... but I find it deplorable that anyone here would be so mean-spirited and cruel to deny the covenant of marriage to two consenting adults who love one another.
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You are very WRONG veiw that here!!! I not judgment why RedheadGrrl set it up vote here and give them opinion thats all!! It FREEDOM SPEECH! You are big misunderstand!!! You cant control say me and CyberRed! saying vote NO, Why RedheadGrrl thread here vote here??? You are soo silly!! since what you said I wouldn't bother post here?!?!? It made sense?!?!?!?You not read IT!!! I saying God between gay/lesbian only.... It means I not judgment them. READ BE CAREFULLY!!! You are biggest MISUNDERSTAND!!!
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Well, you're partially right. I DON'T really understand much of what you've written. I DO understand the part where you say "I vote NO! Agree with CyberRed!"
CyberRed proclaimed that gays and lesbians aren't deserving of their own reproductive systems, and that marriage belongs to people who can have children. I argued against that notion, or did you not bother to read that portion?
In your post, you started bringing up God, praying for the ignorant lost souls of gays, and the bible. I argued against that sentiment, as well.
Maybe you should read MY post again.
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Absolutely true.
Just as not all deaf people want/are for cochlear implants, the oralist method, ASL as their "sign language of choice", etc.
What is important to some of us here, however, is for others to see it as a valid choice for those who DO want it. If you don't, so be it. That's your prerogative.
Happy New Year.
Keep on the good fight, InTheGenes.
There's simply no valid reason for disallowing gay marriages. The Consitution is supposed to mean equality for All. Gay and Lesbians happen to be American citizens too.
I could answer those who try to use religion as a reason to vote against gay marriage.. except there's a huge but:
The Consitution also is supposed to support Freedom from Religion. That means allowing people be whatever religion they want or none AND also means that the government itself cannot be religious or support any one religion. So with that.. religion is not a valid reason to use as a (legal)decision on gay marriage. Marriage is handled by the government, which remember, is supposed to be SECULAR.
Think about it. That means gay marriage being illegal is actually UNConsitutional.
There's simply no valid reason for disallowing gay marriages. The Consitution is supposed to mean equality for All. Gay and Lesbians happen to be American citizens too.
I could answer those who try to use religion as a reason to vote against gay marriage.. except there's a huge but:
The Consitution also is supposed to support Freedom from Religion. That means allowing people be whatever religion they want or none AND also means that the government itself cannot be religious or support any one religion. So with that.. religion is not a valid reason to use as a (legal)decision on gay marriage. Marriage is handled by the government, which remember, is supposed to be SECULAR.
Think about it. That means gay marriage being illegal is actually UNConsitutional.
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I could never understand why and how religion is constantly brought in as a justification to ban gay marriage. It seems to me that they cant accept that not everyone has the same beliefs as they do. If gay/lesbain couple want to get married, it is NONE of their business to determine whether they should get married or not and by bringing in their religous beliefs to deny them that right makes me boil! They are not bothering them so why bother them? It is about their right to marry not about their religous beliefs.
I accept people who believe in different religous and I wouldnt try to change their beliefs so why cant they extend the same respect to others who dont have the same beliefs especially gay people who want to marry?
I vote NO.
I promise you, this is not involed with religous since Thomas Jefferson, the third president of US told that religious and govt shouldn't work together.
Here I go..
I felt that gay and lesiban shouldn't took advantage on benefit which reason it seem they want to be marriage. I don't see the point because they CANNOT provide the child(ren) to save cost. I do know that there are some marriage doesn't agree to have children but still, it's always goes first thing for male and female when they will have children to save their cost.
Same sex live together, help each other, and able to save cost. So, why need marriage to save benefit, if they are doing fine?
I'm sorry, if they want to feel so cool to be marriage in tear happy. Think of live together is like marriage experience than rather have actual marriage. It gonna be crazy thing in the world.
Other thing.. I wouldn't like to have kids to look at same-sex marriage and thought it would be okay to have same-sex marriage. That's part of umm... role model ideal that men might tried to explain. Who know? I have my own opinion.
And divroce, I would hate to see same-sex join with normal divorce and put rate go out of roof. More cost for lawyer, probably another big grin, they want money from gay/lesbain, too. I have the lesbian frought to get legal marriage in MA which was succesful. But later, they got divorce in... over year? You gonna to hear that.. .MA already bitter about it. That put more shame to give them big think and wouldn't trust to have legal same-sex marriage in future after both woman said they really mean to love each other want to be marry together forever. Pfffy.
Please, I don't need to have same-sex marriage unless scientific can make same-sex to provide child(ren).
I promise you, this is not involed with religous since Thomas Jefferson, the third president of US told that religious and govt shouldn't work together.
Here I go..
I felt that gay and lesiban shouldn't took advantage on benefit which reason it seem they want to be marriage. I don't see the point because they CANNOT provide the child(ren) to save cost. I do know that there are some marriage doesn't agree to have children but still, it's always goes first thing for male and female when they will have children to save their cost.
Same sex live together, help each other, and able to save cost. So, why need marriage to save benefit, if they are doing fine?
I'm sorry, if they want to feel so cool to be marriage in tear happy. Think of live together is like marriage experience than rather have actual marriage. It gonna be crazy thing in the world.
Other thing.. I wouldn't like to have kids to look at same-sex marriage and thought it would be okay to have same-sex marriage. That's part of umm... role model ideal that men might tried to explain. Who know? I have my own opinion.
And divroce, I would hate to see same-sex join with normal divorce and put rate go out of roof. More cost for lawyer, probably another big grin, they want money from gay/lesbain, too. I have the lesbian frought to get legal marriage in MA which was succesful. But later, they got divorce in... over year? You gonna to hear that.. .MA already bitter about it. That put more shame to give them big think and wouldn't trust to have legal same-sex marriage in future after both woman said they really mean to love each other want to be marry together forever. Pfffy.
Please, I don't need to have same-sex marriage unless scientific can make same-sex to provide child(ren).