Glad he got caught in time, otherwise hideous crime could've committed

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This is precisely what I am saying when it comes to thinking that gun control would increase security where it actually compromising security.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/us/minnesota-foiled-school-massacre-john-ladue/index.html

He was experimenting and testing trying to figure better way to cause another school massacres. This time, its not about gun, its about figuring how to make bombs. Like I said in other threads, human mind is the most powerful weapon.

I am glad he has been caught before he would commit a hideous crime in history.
 
Probably he couldn't get firearms, or don't have access to firearms, so making bomb kinda solve this problem.

This is very scary! Based on my experience and knowledge on bomb making, this is much, seriously much easier and more accessible getting the materials needed to create a kaboom stuff, than going though background check for firearms.

Personally, I love the feeling and sounds of Kabooms and I do them where it is safety involved, I wanted just to have fun without anyone getting hurt and these experience helped me understand why we need to protect 2nd Amendment. 2nd Amendment has its intention which is to balance the power within society.
 
I am not sure how this article comes up for you, but on my phone it has several stories along the same lines...
Getting guns even as kids is easy, but it seems like all kids play with varying degree of explosives and fire... I am glad the new generation have darn near forgotten the joy of reading... Every household has almost all the tools and materials needed for this...
But to charge someone before a crime seems wrong...
 
Jezie said:
I am not sure how this article comes up for you, but on my phone it has several stories along the same lines...
Getting guns even as kids is easy, but it seems like all kids play with varying degree of explosives and fire... I am glad the new generation have darn near forgotten the joy of reading... Every household has almost all the tools and materials needed for this...
But to charge someone before a crime seems wrong...
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Yup, I do agree with that part. It actually applies on gun control, its like punishing without committing a crime, eh?

Anyway, it showed up as headline on CNN.com.
 
diehardbiker said:
Yup, I do agree with that part. It actually applies on gun control, its like punishing without committing a crime, eh?

Anyway, it showed up as headline on CNN.com.
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At the same go, one does have to question when is a crime prevented and when is it just youthful wonderings?
Those sentences were crazy 12 years old and as much as 60 years for a crime that they did not commit? Multiple examples of this, did they also show for you? Yet, to sit back and just allow things to happen... Well it is a delicate dance...
 
Breaking into storage units and building bombs is illegal. He also told police he planed to kids in his class and some of the workers there. He had very detailed plans. He wanted to die in a shootout with police and hoped to kill 40 people. I'd say that constitutes conspiracy to commit murder.
 
Looks like he planned to kill his sister and parents as well. I hope in the end it does all turn out to be fantasy and one day this kid can have something of a normal life. Seems like he was pretty much prepared with all the equipment to do it though. He even made a diary to leave behind so people would know why he did it.
 
jonnyghost said:
Breaking into storage units and building bombs is illegal. He also told police he planed to kids in his class and some of the workers there. He had very detailed plans. He wanted to die in a shootout with police and hoped to kill 40 people. I'd say that constitutes conspiracy to commit murder.
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Breaking into storage units is illegal, but thinking of something... even planning is not illegal, for who is to say it is not just thoughts... Well until one admits to it being an actual plan of acton... It is the application of said thoughts that is illegal...
 
A lot to think about. :hmm:

His mother is a substance abuse counselor and didn't see any warning signs that her son was troubled?

His friend's mother rented the storage unit for him? What's wrong with her?

He acquired one of the guns illegally. Why? The family already had several guns, and he had access to them. Perhaps that was part of his plan; that is, he believed he needed a specific type of weapon to carry out his plan. Illegally buying a gun was an action he committed; it was not just a thought.

The father prayed to God to intervene in his son's life, and He did, thru the woman who contacted the authorities with her suspicions.

The potential bomber was not just a copy-cat of previous killers; he wanted to excel beyond them with a more horrific attack. (We've got to make these killers less appealing.)
 
This one is about awareness, someone saw something that wasn't right and called 911. I know this is going to get Johnny going, but he was diagnosed with ASD.

[/QUOTE]Behind bars, John was diagnosed for the first time with a highly functional form of autism spectrum disorder, with violent ideations. Psychologists found that it didn't manifest until late adolescence, and that he was able to conceal his troubles from family, friends and classmates.
When I was teaching we had kids making bombs and nobody knew anything about it until one student blew his thumb off with a pipe bomb; today he is a police officer.
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Paragraph right after that one

"Research has shown that people with autism spectrum disorder are no more likely to be violent than the rest of the population. A 2008 review found that 84% of violent offenders with autism also had an underlying psychiatric disorder at the time they committed the crime."
 
jonnyghost said:
Paragraph right after that one

"Research has shown that people with autism spectrum disorder are no more likely to be violent than the rest of the population. A 2008 review found that 84% of violent offenders with autism also had an underlying psychiatric disorder at the time they committed the crime."
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Perhaps that is the key, ASD patients with underlying psychiatric disorders need to be watched closer.
 
diehardbiker said:
Probably he couldn't get firearms, or don't have access to firearms, so making bomb kinda solve this problem....
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He had access to firearms. He wanted a bigger BOOM than what he could get with bullets. He wanted to make history, in a perverted way.
 
seb said:
Perhaps that is the key, ASD patients with underlying psychiatric disorders need to be watched closer.
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Why? He wasn't diagnosed until after he was arrested. It wouldn't have changed a thing. Unless you want to force everyone to have yearly mental evaluations you will never even know how many un-diagnosed people are out there.

Besides, if we start going that rout no one will want to go get help and why would they want to add that type of discrimination in their lives. There is already so much stigma that a lot of people don't go get the help they need.
 
" Research has shown that people with autism spectrum disorder are no more likely to be violent than the rest of the population. A 2008 review found that 84% of violent offenders with autism also had an underlying psychiatric disorder at the time they committed the crime."

I hope people will take note of this and not start thinking people with autism spectrum disorder are violent people . If they commit a crime is b/c they had psychiatric disorder and anyone can have this.
 
Reba said:
A lot to think about. :hmm:

His mother is a substance abuse counselor and didn't see any warning signs that her son was troubled?

His friend's mother rented the storage unit for him? What's wrong with her?

He acquired one of the guns illegally. Why? The family already had several guns, and he had access to them. Perhaps that was part of his plan; that is, he believed he needed a specific type of weapon to carry out his plan. Illegally buying a gun was an action he committed; it was not just a thought.

The father prayed to God to intervene in his son's life, and He did, thru the woman who contacted the authorities with her suspicions.

The potential bomber was not just a copy-cat of previous killers; he wanted to excel beyond them with a more horrific attack. (We've got to make these killers less appealing.)
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Makes one wondering what is the root cause of these mayhem? :hmm:
 
Some people are just broken. No good reason for it. As far as we know there was no trauma or abuse. No drugs or alcohol.
 
jonnyghost said:
Why? He wasn't diagnosed until after he was arrested. It wouldn't have changed a thing. Unless you want to force everyone to have yearly mental evaluations you will never even know how many un-diagnosed people are out there.

Besides, if we start going that rout no one will want to go get help and why would they want to add that type of discrimination in their lives. There is already so much stigma that a lot of people don't go get the help they need.
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My niece that has Asperger's didn't want this put in her school record b/c of all the stigma that came along with it. I agree with you 110 % on this !
 
I forgot you mentioned that before. The media seems to be on a witch hunt for people on the spectrum. It's repulsive! I don't blame her for not telling.
 
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