A question...is the Cochlear implant made for the hearing or for the deaf?

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BrittBritt said:
I didnt realize this thread was about deaf children either from the original post. Maybe I need to reread also. I thought it was asking is ci for deaf people's benefit or hearing people's benefit. When it comes to children, most deaf adults who were deaf as children are very against parents making the choice for the child. I would probably not do a ci on a child of my own if they were deaf because I have met so many deaf adults who are against it and have a better perspective of what it is to be a deaf child than I do. I started losing my hearing at age 25, so I have no perspective on what it would be like to be a deaf child.
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And apparently the hearing people that are referred to are limited to hearing family members and that is known because its all through the forum. So if you see anyone say the hearing people that's not really hearing people those are just hearing family members if a deaf person.
Nevermind that neither Jiro or Shel created this thread, it is just known. Nevermind that up until shel's post we had all been talking about hearing people in general, and that was fine, but they know that grummer was just talking about hearing family members....because, well that's just known.

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Honestly I got a kick out of writing that:laugh2:

You know nothing Jon Snow.....kudos for anyone who gets the reference :D
 
a Ci is not suitable for child, i think a HA is better option, if doesnt help, then dont go further into the mess, just accept deafness as a character, not as a fault.
now Ambrosia, Txgolfer (if you're deaf)...do you consider yourself as a character or as a faulty person??!

I dont like hearing parents panics, and that they Do panic, but getting wrong information, or rather information 'they want to hear from the hearing-biased hearing professionals with little regards of just how difficult its going to be no matter what',

hearing culture only SEEMS bigger, but in reality it isn't,
theres so many thing I could say. but i wont simply because im busy...and I feel im not going to justify to waste Alot of time, well truth is, im still in process of research, and its not really a 'ready time for me' but you migth ask why i started this thread...well...
im trying to experiment on asking a different type of question...but sadly ordinary people;s consciousness is nto quite up to um...my academic standard...but um...im not up there yet...what i was really hoping for, was some contrast of lists of 'for hearing/ci why is it made for benefit of the deaf, and another why is it made for the benefit for hearing, key words, are convenience, training, ease of living, communication, more chances of what...
but frankly i didnt get much from BOTH sides...it got turned into some old arguent under the different heading. im a little embarrassed to be honest.
 
TXgolfer said:
You edited. Hmm, interesting nonetheless.
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so..... you would still do nothing and say same thing to a controversial method 20 years ago that was medically and professionally accepted?
 
Jiro said:
so..... you would still do nothing and say same thing to a controversial method 20 years ago that was medically and professionally accepted?
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I have never waivered from my belief that parents are charged with the responsibility of raising their children in the ways that they see fit and best for their child.....within the law. Parents have the exclusive right to make decisions for their children within the law. My opinion on that is not going to change.
 
TXgolfer said:
I have never waivered from my belief that parents are charged with the responsibility of raising their children in the ways that they see fit and best for their child.....within the law. Parents have the exclusive right to make decisions for their children within the law. My opinion on that is not going to change.
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I thought so. took you long enough. shame that it ended with unnecessary farce and quibbling.

and too bad you shot your own foot with that one and I'm pretty sure you disagree and we'll just leave it at that.

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Jiro said:
I thought so. took you long enough. shame that it ended with unnecessary farce and quibbling.

and too bad you shot your own foot with that one and I'm pretty sure you disagree and we'll just leave it at that.

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Always good to clarify the question before answering. Not sure how "shot your own foot" could possibly apply to my answer. Care to elaborate?
 
TXgolfer said:
Always old to clarify the question before answering. Not sure how "shot your own foot" could possibly apply to my answer. Care to elaborate?
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See previous posts.
 
Grummer said:
a Ci is not suitable for child, i think a HA is better option, if doesnt help, then dont go further into the mess, just accept deafness as a character, not as a fault.
now Ambrosia, Txgolfer (if you're deaf)...do you consider yourself as a character or as a faulty person??!

I dont like hearing parents panics, and that they Do panic, but getting wrong information, or rather information 'they want to hear from the hearing-biased hearing professionals with little regards of just how difficult its going to be no matter what',

hearing culture only SEEMS bigger, but in reality it isn't,
theres so many thing I could say. but i wont simply because im busy...and I feel im not going to justify to waste Alot of time, well truth is, im still in process of research, and its not really a 'ready time for me' but you migth ask why i started this thread...well...
im trying to experiment on asking a different type of question...but sadly ordinary people;s consciousness is nto quite up to um...my academic standard...but um...im not up there yet...what i was really hoping for, was some contrast of lists of 'for hearing/ci why is it made for benefit of the deaf, and another why is it made for the benefit for hearing, key words, are convenience, training, ease of living, communication, more chances of what...
but frankly i didnt get much from BOTH sides...it got turned into some old arguent under the different heading. im a little embarrassed to be honest.
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Ahh sorry Grummer :( don't feel embarrassed!! It was a good question. Like you said earlier, if it gets people to think, it's a good question. And it was a question that should have made people think, but mostly there were knee jerk reactions, and as people are want to do, they'll argue fuss and fight.

Now, I answer your direct question to me :) hmmm faulty? I admit there have been times where I've felt like I was broken, notice I'm using past tense here. I don't lack confidence though. I have confidence in my abilities, my capabilities, my brains, my personality. I like me, even if my ears don't work. I know there's nothing inherently "wrong" with me just because I can't hear. I only really have one big hang up, and that's with relationships. Because my life is the hearing world, I don't know ASL, I don't know anyone that does, I'm afraid men will eventually just get to frustrated with me. It's annoying to have to repeat yourself over and over to someone. But that's my only issue. Hopefully I'll get over it.

I'll go into more detail about why I think they're to benefit the deaf if you'd like. Access and opportunity mostly. A deaf kid isn't going to be a deaf kid forever. Eventually that deaf kid is going to be a deaf grown up, and needs all the skills and tools to be an independent adult. I realize a lot of you think deafness is only a disability because society "makes" it one. But you have to be realistic, there's only do much they can do, we can only be accommodated for so much in different fields. It's nice to think we can do anything a hearie can do, but that's stretching it a bit. Anyway, I realize working with a deaf child to give them oral skills may be hard, they may not like all of it. But how bad us it for them? In the long run? How many deaf adults are on this site that went through all that as deaf kids, so they have the skills and tools to be compete in the hearing world and it ended up helping them be where they are today? Because let's face it, it is a hearing world. I don't think a parents main concern when they get their child implanted does so only so they don't have learn ASL. Heck I've only known one patent of an implanted child.....and they were learning ASL. So I just don't see it as something that's bad for them. Naturally that is just my opinion.

And a little more :) I think after a certain amount if time has passed a CI might not be the best choice for someone deaf. But for myself, if/when the people around me might get some benefit, but I think I'd benefitting more than them. The people I come across, I'm not with 24/7, but I can't get away from me :D I don't like listening as hard as I can and staring at people's mouth and still only getting half of what they say. That's no fun, for me. I'm the one who really has to deal with it.
 
ambrosia said:
Ahh sorry Grummer :( don't feel embarrassed!! It was a good question. Like you said earlier, if it gets people to think, it's a good question. And it was a question that should have made people think, but mostly there were knee jerk reactions, and as people are want to do, they'll argue fuss and fight.

Now, I answer your direct question to me :) hmmm faulty? I admit there have been times where I've felt like I was broken, notice I'm using past tense here. I don't lack confidence though. I have confidence in my abilities, my capabilities, my brains, my personality. I like me, even if my ears don't work. I know there's nothing inherently "wrong" with me just because I can't hear. I only really have one big hang up, and that's with relationships. Because my life is the hearing world, I don't know ASL, I don't know anyone that does, I'm afraid men will eventually just get to frustrated with me. It's annoying to have to repeat yourself over and over to someone. But that's my only issue. Hopefully I'll get over it.

I'll go into more detail about why I think they're to benefit the deaf if you'd like. Access and opportunity mostly. A deaf kid isn't going to be a deaf kid forever. Eventually that deaf kid is going to be a deaf grown up, and needs all the skills and tools to be an independent adult. I realize a lot of you think deafness is only a disability because society "makes" it one. But you have to be realistic, there's only do much they can do, we can only be accommodated for so much in different fields. It's nice to think we can do anything a hearie can do, but that's stretching it a bit. Anyway, I realize working with a deaf child to give them oral skills may be hard, they may not like all of it. But how bad us it for them? In the long run? How many deaf adults are on this site that went through all that as deaf kids, so they have the skills and tools to be compete in the hearing world and it ended up helping them be where they are today? Because let's face it, it is a hearing world. I don't think a parents main concern when they get their child implanted does so only so they don't have learn ASL. Heck I've only known one patent of an implanted child.....and they were learning ASL. So I just don't see it as something that's bad for them. Naturally that is just my opinion.
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it is very apparent in here that you see many deaf adults making successful transition after receiving CI.

so why is it more successful for deaf adults than deaf children having CI - a choice made by their parents? there you go. something to think about. clue - unrealistic expectations.
 
Grummer said:
a Ci is not suitable for child, i think a HA is better option, if doesnt help, then dont go further into the mess, just accept deafness as a character, not as a fault.
now Ambrosia, Txgolfer (if you're deaf)...do you consider yourself as a character or as a faulty person??!

I dont like hearing parents panics, and that they Do panic, but getting wrong information, or rather information 'they want to hear from the hearing-biased hearing professionals with little regards of just how difficult its going to be no matter what',

hearing culture only SEEMS bigger, but in reality it isn't,
theres so many thing I could say. but i wont simply because im busy...and I feel im not going to justify to waste Alot of time, well truth is, im still in process of research, and its not really a 'ready time for me' but you migth ask why i started this thread...well...
im trying to experiment on asking a different type of question...but sadly ordinary people;s consciousness is nto quite up to um...my academic standard...but um...im not up there yet...what i was really hoping for, was some contrast of lists of 'for hearing/ci why is it made for benefit of the deaf, and another why is it made for the benefit for hearing, key words, are convenience, training, ease of living, communication, more chances of what...
but frankly i didnt get much from BOTH sides...it got turned into some old arguent under the different heading. im a little embarrassed to be honest.
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Faulty? Meh, we all have faults. Do I believe being deaf makes me faulty? Of course not. Being deaf does keep me from doing things I once enjoyed doing though. In some cases I have found new things to enjoy. For other things I have sought the use of a hearing aid to help me enjoy things from the past. Things like music and talking on the telephone. So as I said in post 31...

Without question it is a benefit for the deaf. IMO
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I didn't get an HA to benefit others. I got an HA for my own benefit.
 
Jiro said:
it is very apparent in here that you see many deaf adults making successful transition after receiving CI.

so why is it more successful for deaf adults than deaf children having CI - a choice made by their parents? there you go. something to think about. clue - unrealistic expectations.
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Uhhh no, actually I was making an addition on my post while you were posting this one. I think there's a missed boat element for an implanted adult, I don't think they'd ever reach the full potential of what a CI could do. Not to say they'll all "fail" but lets say someone the sane age as me, 38, that was deaf from birth, while I'm late deafened, we got implanted the same day, oh and toddler. I don't think that deaf adult would do as well as I or the toddler would. My brains already wired for sound, and that toddler still has time to be wired for sound.

AND it is very apparent that when you read people posts you do an awful lot of shoving words in their mouths they didn't say. I don't know if its because you misunderstand, assume too much, or are just a little snarky. Because until I made that addition I was talking about KIDS and getting them ready to be adults. I hadn't been talking about implanted adults. At. All.
 
ambrosia said:
Uhhh no, actually I was making an addition on my post while you were posting this one. I think there's a missed boat element for an implanted adult, I don't think they'd ever reach the full potential of what a CI could do. Not to say they'll all "fail" but lets say someone the sane age as me, 38, that was deaf from birth, while I'm late deafened, we got implanted the same day, oh and toddler. I don't think that deaf adult would do as well as I or the toddler would. My brains already wired for sound, and that toddler still has time to be wired for sound.

AND it is very apparent that when you read people posts you do an awful lot of shoving words in their mouths they didn't say. I don't know if its because you misunderstand, assume too much, or are just a little snarky. Because until I made that addition I was talking about KIDS and getting them ready to be adults. I hadn't been talking about implanted adults. At. All.
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lol what? I think you have no idea what I'm talking about... and what you're talking about. you sounds pretty confused which is normal for most oral/late deafies to have this audist view. it takes a while to let it seep into your head to really realize it.
 
I understood you perfectly, and you know it. But nice try trying to save face. Are you an Aries by any chance Jiro?
 
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