NRA offensive exposes deep U.S. divisions on guns

[shel90]

against enemies.

The NRA,s views are idiotic. All they want to do is arm more people.

People should not own guns like these. There is just no reason.

I seriously doubt Obama and our military will be a threat to us. The 2nd Amendment was written because America just became free from the British and wanted to keep it that way. Not for people to own machine guns or guns designed to kill humans.

I am not against people owning guns for hunting as a sport or to protect their homes but do people really need several assault type of weapons?

 

[Jiro]

The NRA,s views are idiotic. All they want to do is arm more people.

People should not own guns like these. There is just no reason.

I seriously doubt Obama and our military will be a threat to us.

George Bush was a serious threat to America with Patriot Acts, Gitmo Camp, spying on American citizens, and God knows what else. Can we imagine what else the President can do in the future?

The 2nd Amendment was written because America just became free from the British and wanted to keep it that way. Not for people to own machine guns or guns designed to kill humans.

it's illegal to purchase a machine guns. and all guns can kill humans.

I am not against people owning guns for hunting as a sport or to protect their homes but do people really need several assault type of weapons?

enemy is an enemy including own our government. America is protected and defended by American citizens.

why the concern over statistically rare incidents? how many massacres have been caused by "assault weapons" since 10 years ago? 2!!!! (to the best of my memory)

do you know who commit the most kills by assault weapons on American soil? our own government..... such as Waco Siege. That's 76 men, women, and children - all dead. and more - Ruby Ridge Siege. New Orleans. ATF is a bunch of rogue hoodlums.

 

[AdamFencepost]

Shel90, I own a semi-automatic rifle. There was no danger of it being confiscated in 1994 during the ban on assault weapon sales.

It is very old, and nearly useless for most any hunting purposes. I've had it out once in the last 10 years to shoot 2 marmots in the gardens. Those are groundhogs, in other parts of the US. I loaned it to the neighbor who has a little dachshund that tried to run off one of the critters and ended up at the vet's.

The thing is just too short to have much accuracy and it is far from being something like has been mass produced in the last 30 years with the fancy pistol grips and such trappings.

The other 2 guns I have are for hunting and have little purpose beyond that. Yes, they could work just fine for a home invasion, altho' they are kept under lock & key.

With 47% of American homes having guns, we aren't going to change anything drastically in this country no matter what the course the society will take. Gun murder rates will continue to be high, gun suicides will continue to be high, gun accidents in our homes will continue to be high . . . But, I seriously wish that some folks would find less dangerous toys!

Any changes that we make collectively, as a people, will be resisted just by inertia. Did you know that a couple of studies on the early 20th century use of stop signs showed that traffic accidents actually increased for the 1st few years?

 

[CrazyPaul]

George Bush was a serious threat to America with Patriot Acts, Gitmo Camp, spying on American citizens, and God knows what else. Can we imagine what else the President can do in the future?

LOL, yes, I can imagine that the President plans to have sex with your mom.

it's illegal to purchase a machine guns. and all guns can kill humans.

The point is how many people can it kill in one minute?

enemy is an enemy including own our government. America is protected and defended by American citizens.


do you know who commit the most kills by assault weapons on American soil? our own government..... such as Waco Siege. That's 76 men, women, and children - all dead. and more - Ruby Ridge Siege. New Orleans. ATF is a bunch of rogue hoodlums.

I am getting to know you better. That you are a cop hater and anti-government.

 

[JMH]

why the concern over statistically rare incidents? how many massacres have been caused by "assault weapons" since 10 years ago? 2!!!! (to the best of my memory).

Actually, there's more... The Dark Knight Rise opening night, DC sniper shooting, university shooting, and few more...

IMO 2nd Amendment is outdated. It just needs some modifying to fit present time. The Second Amendment was created at the time we just independence from British and our security of brand new country was very fragile. And at that time it was the reason 2nd Amendment was created.

Today – we have too many wacko out there that wanted to hurt people out of frustration or for some attention.

 

[CrazyPaul]

Actually, there's more... The Dark Knight Rise opening night, DC sniper shooting, university shooting, and few more...

IMO 2nd Amendment is outdated. It just needs some modifying to fit present time. The Second Amendment was created at the time we just independence from British and our security of brand new country was very fragile. And at that time it was the reason 2nd Amendment was created.

Today – we have too many wacko out there that wanted to hurt people out of frustration or for some attention.

I concur.

One of DVTV members said that the only way to modify the 2nd Amendment is to add a new amendment to become the 28th Amendment.

 

[Jiro]

LOL, yes, I can imagine that the President plans to have sex with your mom.


The point is how many people can it kill in one minute?

I can probably kill 30 in one minute with my handgun (NJ-version).

I am getting to know you better. That you are a cop hater and anti-government.

um........ lol you've got it completely wrong. you are really mistaken me with somebody else.

 

[Jiro]

Actually, there's more... The Dark Knight Rise opening night, DC sniper shooting, university shooting, and few more...

there was no assault rifle used in Aurora Shooting... only shotgun and handguns. To the best of my memory - the only times that assault rifles were used in mass shooting were Sandy Hook Shooting and DC Sniper Shooting for the past 10 years.

If you know any other shooting that involved assault rifle, please be more specific about it.

IMO 2nd Amendment is outdated. It just needs some modifying to fit present time. The Second Amendment was created at the time we just independence from British and our security of brand new country was very fragile. And at that time it was the reason 2nd Amendment was created.

nope. you completely missed the point and the meaning of Constitution. if you're going to change it, what else can we change? for that - then what's the point of Constitution then if you're going to change everything else? Supreme Court Justice Scalia made an excellent speech about it - The Living Constitution.

Today – we have too many wacko out there that wanted to hurt people out of frustration or for some attention.

that's why we already have laws that prevent wackos and criminals from legally owning guns.

 

[CrazyPaul]

there was no assault rifle used in Aurora Shooting... only shotgun and handguns. To the best of my memory - the only times that assault rifles were used in mass shooting were Sandy Hook Shooting and DC Sniper Shooting for the past 10 years.

If you know any other shooting that involved assault rifle, please be more specific about it.


nope. you completely missed the point and the meaning of Constitution. if you're going to change it, what else can we change? for that - then what's the point of Constitution then if you're going to change everything else? Supreme Court Justice Scalia made an excellent speech about it - The Living Constitution.


that's why we already have laws that prevent wackos and criminals from legally owning guns.

2012 Aurora shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He also fired a Smith & Wesson M&P15[11] semi-automatic rifle with a 100-round drum magazine, which malfunctioned after reportedly firing fewer than 30 rounds

Drum magazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Movie theater gunman James Holmes had obtained one for his AR-15 rifle but it jammed, limiting casualties to 12 dead and 59 wounded.

How come this wacko owned those guns and drum magazine legally?

 

[Jiro]

2012 Aurora shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drum magazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come this wacko owned those guns and drum magazine legally?

1. He had no criminal record.
2. It's legal to own "novelty" items. that's why it always jam or break... which was what happened at Aurora Shooting. in some states, it's illegal to sell and/or own such thing.
3. How can we prevent a person with no criminal or mental history from buying a gun when he was preparing to be the Joker? set up Thought Police like The Minority Report? :roll:

 

[CrazyPaul]

1. He had no criminal record.
2. It's legal to own "novelty" items. that's why it always jam or break... which was what happened at Aurora Shooting. in some states, it's illegal to sell and/or own such thing.
3. How can we prevent a person with no criminal or mental history from buying a gun when he was preparing to be the Joker? set up Thought Police like The Minority Report? :roll:

You said it, not me.

that's why we already have laws that prevent wackos and criminals from legally owning guns.

Also you said,

there was no assault rifle used in Aurora Shooting... only shotgun and handguns.

You are mistaken.

 

[Jiro]

You said it, not me.



Also you said,

You are mistaken.

how do you own one? you've gotta have a clean record. James Holmes had a clean record to own one. the only way to prevent this massacre is to set up a Thought Police and maybe hire a fortune teller.

 

[Foxrac]

2012 Aurora shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Drum magazine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How come this wacko owned those guns and drum magazine legally?

Colorado state law allowed him to buy those guns, so it is state law.

 

[AdamFencepost]

You don't want to consider Columbine High School killings because that was more than 10 years ago, Jiro? The shooters used a Hi-Point 995 Carbine among other guns. Yes, a good argument could be made for banning the sale of semi-automatic handguns if we look at recent mass shootings.

We do have the killing just a few days before Newtown of 2 people in the Clackamas Mall. The shooter used an AR-15.

Geneva County, Alabama, Michael McLendon used 2 assault rifles, a Soviet SKS and a Bushmaster AR-15, to kill 10 people, including 2 children on March 10, 2009.

Matthew Murray killed 5 people in separate Colorado Springs church locations with a Bushmaster SM15 and other guns on Dec 9, 2007.

 

[Jiro]

Colorado state law allowed him to buy those guns, so it is state law.

I think it's probably best left to those especially gun owners who know the gun laws very well like back of their hands because you are kinda misinterpreting this one.

 

[Foxrac]

I think it's probably best left to those especially gun owners who know the gun laws very well like back of their hands because you are kinda misinterpreting this one.

How I was misinterpreting the law?

You said that movie theater shooter had a clean record and he bought guns legally, so I just made additional to CrazyPaul that asked question, so I said the state law allows to buy those kind of guns and I didn't find any news about movie theater shooter bought guns illegally.

You are free to correct my statement if I make mistake or misinterpreting.

 

[Jiro]

You don't want to consider Columbine High School killings because that was more than 10 years ago, Jiro?

"I don't want to"??? no..... it's a typical classic cheapshot tactic by anti-gun campaign to use statistic from so far back in order to pad up their results to make it looks like it's recent.

It's best to limit it to 10 years ago because it's kind of "recent". If it makes you feel good, we'll include Columbine School massacre then but I'll have to point out that it's nearly 14 years ago and a lot have changed since then.

The shooters used a Hi-Point 995 Carbine among other guns. Yes, a good argument could be made for banning the sale of semi-automatic handguns if we look at recent mass shootings.

We do have the killing just a few days before Newtown of 2 people in the Clackamas Mall. The shooter used an AR-15.

Geneva County, Alabama, Michael McLendon used 2 assault rifles, a Soviet SKS and a Bushmaster AR-15, to kill 10 people, including 2 children on March 10, 2009.

Matthew Murray killed 5 people in separate Colorado Springs church locations with a Bushmaster SM15 and other guns on Dec 9, 2007.

all still points to being statistically rare for mass shooting with assault rifle involved.

 

[Jiro]

How I was misinterpreting the law?

You said that movie theater shooter had a clean record and he bought guns legally, so I just made additional to CrazyPaul that asked question, so I said the state law allows to buy those kind of guns and I didn't find any news about movie theater shooter bought guns illegally.

You are free to correct my statement if I make mistake or misinterpreting.

that's what you should have said.

Colorado state law allowed him to buy those guns, so it is state law.

this post is very misleading. it implies that it's a state law for Colorado to allow anybody to buy guns.

 

[VacationGuy234]

"Why is the idea of a gun good when it's used to protect our president or our country or our police, but bad when it's used to protect our children in their schools?"

While I'm not for weapons to be brought to schools, the above is a very interesting point.

I think most would answer that guns have no place around children(myself included), but it IS up to adults to protect those children. So, the question is, real terms, "Should we give adults the tools to protect our children".

It's a good argument...

 

[Jiro]

While I'm not for weapons to be brought to schools, the above is a very interesting point.

I think most would answer that guns have no place around children(myself included), but it IS up to adults to protect those children. So, the question is, real terms, "Should we give adults the tools to protect our children".

It's a good argument...

plenty of options for adults to protect their children - private school. home school. bodyguard. etc.

But I refuse to pay for other parents especially if the idea is unsound but they are free to pay for it themselves for their own children.