CPS teacher strike and Illinois area....

Reba said:
No, it wouldn't work for public schools to hire Christian school teachers because they would still be public schools. If a former Christian school teacher works for a public school, he or she becomes a public school teacher and is no longer a Christian school teacher. It's the whole set up and administration of the schools that is different. Their philosophies, viewpoints, goals, and curricula differ.
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then your "Christian school teacher" argument is moot.
 
Jiro said:
..."Rule with Iron Fist" style such as "Zero Tolerance Policy" or "Three-Strikes Law" isn't working. It will only put more troubled kids on streets which will lead to more gangs, crimes, and poverty....
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I didn't say put them out on the streets. Send them to what used to be called reform schools (they are now called alternative academies and other euphemisms).
 
Reba said:
I didn't say put them out on the streets. Send them to what used to be called reform schools (they are now called alternative academies and other euphemisms).
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Yes I know you didn't say that but it's what happens all the time. They get expelled and they end up in street because they don't care anymore and their parents kick them out. The system does not work.
 
Jane B. said:
But . . any private school Christian or not does NOT have to accept every kid that applies. Public schools have to accept all kids that are old enough and live in the district.
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Agreed, it is bad idea to compare the public school with Christian private school.

They are totally different environment, different disciplines, different admission process and different systems.

Public school is universe and they have to accept ALL students whoever live in district, regardless on culture or religion. The public school is designed to educate all children that appropriate to general, not religious sponsored. The expulsion is rare, except for serious crime (felony) and the public school have deal with a lot of lawsuits if something goes wrong, even frivolous lawsuit.

The Christian private school is education that integrated with religions and they aren't required to accept all students, even no district restriction and they are selective.
 
Jiro said:
then your "Christian school teacher" argument is moot.
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You're confusing Christian schools and Christian teachers.

There are teachers who work in Christian schools, and there are Christian teachers who work in public schools.

My example was teachers who work in Christian schools. They get paid a lot less than teachers who work in public schools. The teachers get better results in those schools because of the way the Christian schools are set up and run.

It's not just because the teachers are Christians. The schools are Christian. The teachers are Christian, too, yes, but because they work in Christian schools, they are able to teach in ways that are successful.

There are good Christians who teach in public schools. However, they have to follow the way public schools are run.

I hope that is more clear.
 
Jiro said:
Yes I know you didn't say that but it's what happens all the time. They get expelled and they end up in street because they don't care anymore and their parents kick them out. The system does not work.
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Instead of expelling all of them, many of them should be transferred to alternative schools.
 
General schools have a very large student body. I don't think many cities have enough money to pay for extra social worker and/or security to deal with all those trouble maker students. Therefore kids run wild. Teachers are asked to teach a very large # of students. Maybe 1 teacher for 40-50 students. City just don't have enough to pay for more teacher to work with smaller groups so therefore, it's a large group with overworked teachers.
 
Reba said:
I'm 61, so I'm not yet eligible. There's no way I could get by on just SS much less the reduced benefits. Hence, I will continue working for as long as physically possible.

Since I'm self-employed, I pay both the employer and employe shares of the SS "contribution."

My mom and MIL both got retirement pensions from SS and the teachers' plan. They also both got Medicare coverage. Maybe it depends on the state or the era in which one worked for the schools.
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This is true. Different states offer different coverage (I am assuming that some do pay into SS & Medicare) and there is also the matter of if they worked enough quarters in other jobs as well. You just have to have paid in for so many quarters based on so much in earnings (I have forgotten what the dollar amount is) per quarter to collect. The amount you can collect varies by what your earnings in covered employment were.
 
dereksbicycles said:
...Teachers are asked to teach a very large # of students. Maybe 1 teacher for 40-50 students. City just don't have enough to pay for more teacher to work with smaller groups so therefore, it's a large group with overworked teachers.
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Is that the student/teacher ratio in Chicago?
 
Reba said:
Instead of expelling all of them, many of them should be transferred to alternative schools.
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that is a standard procedure and like I said - many students just stop going because they don't care anymore. and parents don't care anymore and kick them out.

that's the reality of poverty and ghetto schools. the system fails them.
 
Jane B. said:
This is true. Different states offer different coverage (I am assuming that some do pay into SS & Medicare) and there is also the matter of if they worked enough quarters in other jobs as well. You just have to have paid in for so many quarters based on so much in earnings (I have forgotten what the dollar amount is) per quarter to collect. The amount you can collect varies by what your earnings in covered employment were.
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I don't know about MIL, but the only job my mom worked that was covered by SS was her job at the college. Prior to that (and my parents' divorce), she was a stay-at-home mom.
 
TracyK said:
Teachers also cannot receive Social Security benefits in retirement. So really how does SS come into play????? If a teacher's spouse payed into SS they are entitled to partial benefits of the deceased spouse....

Also, your posts last night you seem to be willing to "fire all those teachers" because they are putting their financial interests (misconception) above the children. But you are willing to sacrifice the children's quality of education because of the government's financial interest. Seems like the pot calling the kettle black.
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I don't believe the level of teaching would suffer by replacing Chicago teachers. In fact, I believe it would improve.

Exactly, teachers receive a pension tha pays approx $40k a year....Much more than most receive in Social Security. THAT is the difference.
 
Jiro said:
that would be extremely costly for Chicago. hopefully you'll come to your sense.

"you get what you pay for." what do you expect that children will get if teachers are willing to do this for cheap? cheapo.
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The students are stuck with bad teachers now thanks to unions. You get what you pay for is exactly correct.....and right now taxpaYers are paying for union red tape.
 
Jiro said:
See TracyK's posts. And typical taxpayers do not have the additional bills that teachers have such as college tuition and whatnots they incur in order to be a teacher.

Upon graduation, typical doctors incur at least $400,000 in debt.
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A) They chose the profession......they were not forced
B) Non-teachers go to college too
C) Not all teachers incur debt while attending college.
 
Jiro said:
after 35 years? not worth it.
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Chicago teachers qualify for their pension after 20 years of service according to news reports. Even 35 years would be a normal career. And the pension pays far better than SS.
 
Reba said:
Yet, teachers in Christian schools generally get paid less than half what the public school teachers get paid, and they get better results.
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And in many other types of private schools as well.
 
Jiro said:
With all the trouble and everything that teachers put in for this job, it's not worth it anymore. They're better off doing something else.
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Then they should stop using kids as weapons and move on to something else. Simple.
 
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