2 Year Old Cooper Hear's Mommy's Voice First Time

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TXgolfer said:
We still don't have all the facts.......and that applies to videos that present either view really
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so go find it to dispute otherwise. fetch'em. otherwise.... you're just arguing for the sake of argument.

I've already presented 3 separate videos of different times and in all 3 incidents, Emma doesn't want it.
 
Jiro said:
so go find it to dispute otherwise. fetch'em. otherwise.... you're just arguing for the sake of argument.

I've already presented 3 separate videos of different times and in all 3 incidents, Emma doesn't want it.
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Ah, see you've misunderstood again....She may very well hate her CI....then again maybe she hates it that day. Maybe they videoed 1,000 times to get 3 responses. :dunno:

No argument here....just saying a couple of videos hardly tells the entire story.....and that goes either way.
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
which is why they should've waited a little bit later to have her understand what it is, and involve her in the decision making process... Honestly, I don't care if the child is 8 or 7 years old, If they are fully aware of what it is, and what the process is, then they should be involved. Deaf children with hearing parents will be grateful for what their parents have done for them, whether its getting a CI, a hearing aid, or just exposing them to the deaf world, they will be appreciative.

It just hurts me to see a parents immediately going ahead, implanting their baby or their toddler as soon as they find out their child is deaf. I mean, there is nothing wrong with them, We can do anything, we just can't hear. And I don't know if they can accept that or not. Because we will never know if they love going down plan "A" path-- no hearing devices, Plan "B"--hearing aids, or plan "C"--cochlear implants. Doesn't anybody have a clue what these kids might be feeling? Have you asked your child if they really liked their CIs? My parents were always worried I wouldn't like my CI because of the criticism of CI that people today are talking about. I tell my parents that I'm appreciative of them, And that I wish i was able to stay on my hearing aids longer. But I had 2 choices, I could've just stayed plain deaf.. Or i could get the cochlear implant. IF their child isn't wearing their CI, everyday, every month, every year; then its a waste of their money. This is part of the reason why I believe that they should have involve their child in the process decision making of the possibilities of getting a cochlear implant.

Look at it this way in a different perspective... Say, you're a model, and your boss immediately wants you to get plastic surgery to get a better presentation to yourself out in the public, to get recognized, You want to talk to your boss about this, but he does not want to hear it and you're being ignored. You have two choices, To get plastic surgery to follow your boss's wish, or get fired. the job pays well too.. this is a hard decision, what would you choose?-- this may be off topic, but still, This is kind of what i'm trying to point out with a child VS a parents implanting their child.
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Exactly! Only a small percentage of kids are right off the bat canidates.....the rest should be able to help chose!!!!! How does a parent know how well a kid is hearing with a HA anyway? God, on some of the lists I'm on parents are all "OH NO! My kid can't say sounds perfectly!"
 
TXgolfer said:
We still don't have all the facts.......and that applies to videos that present either view really
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Here's my facts, my opinions, and my reasons. You probably didn't read this. So i'm posting it again to show it to you. :ty:

coolgirlspyer90 said:
which is why they should've waited a little bit later to have her understand what it is, and involve her in the decision making process... Honestly, I don't care if the child is 8 or 7 years old, If they are fully aware of what it is, and what the process is, then they should be involved. Deaf children with hearing parents will be grateful for what their parents have done for them, whether its getting a CI, a hearing aid, or just exposing them to the deaf world, they will be appreciative.

It just hurts me to see a parents immediately going ahead, implanting their baby or their toddler as soon as they find out their child is deaf. I mean, there is nothing wrong with them, We can do anything, we just can't hear. And I don't know if they can accept that or not. Because we will never know if they love going down plan "A" path-- no hearing devices, Plan "B"--hearing aids, or plan "C"--cochlear implants. Doesn't anybody have a clue what these kids might be feeling? Have you asked your child if they really liked their CIs? My parents were always worried I wouldn't like my CI because of the criticism of CI that people today are talking about. I tell my parents that I'm appreciative of them, And that I wish i was able to stay on my hearing aids longer. But I had 2 choices, I could've just stayed plain deaf.. Or i could get the cochlear implant. IF their child isn't wearing their CI, everyday, every month, every year; then its a waste of their money. This is part of the reason why I believe that they should have involve their child in the process decision making of the possibilities of getting a cochlear implant.

Look at it this way in a different perspective... Say, you're a model, and your boss immediately wants you to get plastic surgery to get a better presentation to yourself out in the public, to get recognized, You want to talk to your boss about this, but he does not want to hear it and you're being ignored. You have two choices, To get plastic surgery to follow your boss's wish, or get fired. the job pays well too.. this is a hard decision, what would you choose?-- this may be off topic, but still, This is kind of what i'm trying to point out with a child VS a parents implanting their child.
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deafdyke said:
Exactly! I think what the pro implantees don't understand is that while there are right off the bat canidates (there have ALWAYS been deep profound unaidable kids as well as kids with auditory nereopathy) the implantation criteria is a LOT less strict then what it used to be in the old days. We're not talking about letting a deep profound or auditory nereopathy kid fall through the cracks. But there are kids who can STILL benifit from HAs, but who are getting upgraded b/c they can't hear well in noise or who qualify UNAIDED or who can't hear S......god in THOSE cases, it's very clear that kids can wait....god in the 80's and 90's most dhh kids wore hearing aids and benifited.
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Good points
 
TXgolfer said:
Ah, see you've misunderstood again....She may very well hate her CI....then again maybe she hates it that day. Maybe they videoed 1,000 times to get 3 responses. :dunno:

No argument here....just saying a couple of videos hardly tells the entire story.....and that goes either way.
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The camera sees everything... Emma's video is the cold hard truth. I'm not talking about her parent's case. She wants to be who she wants to be. She does not want the implants. Can you see that in the video? She's throwing it down, complaining that it makes noise. I mean, the captioning is right there for you to be able to understand. I feel her pain. Trust me. No child should go through this kind of stuff. I mean Why is it that a child's decision is not important? simply because they are young? Do people not care about their child's feelings or their thoughts? explain that to me.
 
TXgolfer said:
Ah, see you've misunderstood again....She may very well hate her CI....then again maybe she hates it that day. Maybe they videoed 1,000 times to get 3 responses. :dunno:

No argument here....just saying a couple of videos hardly tells the entire story.....and that goes either way.
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again - fetch'em. find a story. I thought you're being neutral. doesn't sound like it.
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
The camera sees everything... Emma's video is the cold hard truth. I'm not talking about her parent's case. She wants to be who she wants to be. She does not want the implants. Can you see that in the video? She's throwing it down, complaining that it makes noise. I mean, the captioning is right there for you to be able to understand. I feel her pain. Trust me. No child should go through this kind of stuff. I mean Why is it that a child's decision is not important? simply because they are young? Do people not care about their child's feelings or their thoughts? explain that to me.
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plus - they interviewed her and she clearly expressed that she is happy being deaf and wants to be deaf.
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
Here's my facts, my opinions, and my reasons. You probably didn't read this. So i'm posting it again to show it to you. :ty:
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Yes I read it before.....I remain neutral on the subject, but I appreciate your thoughts. I am sure there are reams of info out there for parents who are considering a CI. It certainly would be advisable for them to listen to viewpoints like yours as well. Hopefully they will be good parents and take every perspective into consideration.
 
Jiro said:
again - fetch'em. find a story. I thought you're being neutral. doesn't sound like it.
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I am being neutral......that's why I am not jumping to conclusions based on this video. :)
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
The camera sees everything... Emma's video is the cold hard truth. I'm not talking about her parent's case. She wants to be who she wants to be. She does not want the implants. Can you see that in the video? She's throwing it down, complaining that it makes noise. I mean, the captioning is right there for you to be able to understand. I feel her pain. Trust me. No child should go through this kind of stuff. I mean Why is it that a child's decision is not important? simply because they are young? Do people not care about their child's feelings or their thoughts? explain that to me.
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Certainly sorry you had a bad experience.
 
TXgolfer said:
I am being neutral......that's why I am not jumping to conclusions based on this video. :)
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Did it ever occur to you that I have fact at hands to make a conclusion? in fact - Emma did it for me. and you're still disputing it?
 
Jiro said:
http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/77...ents-deaf-children-use-cochlear-implants.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/deaf-news/77...daughter-wear-required-cochlear-implants.html

http://www.alldeaf.com/general-chat/77216-emmas-rights.html

The societal need to fix - YouTube

again - she has clearly and repeatedly expressed that she wants to be deaf and does not want CI. period. it's CONCLUSIVE and a FACT.
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It's a fact that she said this at that time. Those of us who are parents know that 5yos change their mind often. Not to mention kids in a custody battle can sadly be used and manipulated in many ways. What is definitely a fact, is that this is a very sad situation. If she sticks with her desire not to wear them I hope the parents will be understanding.
 
TXgolfer said:
Certainly sorry you had a bad experience.
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What bad experience are you talking about? i never one bad experience. I just feel bad for emma, and Do you think that it is important to listen to what the child is feeling about against cochlear implants?
 
Jiro said:
I thought his post was very crystal-clear. It basically answers your question. There's a difference between "sharing their stories" and "asserting superiority over their opinions"
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Can you provide 3 links of hearing parents asserting superiority over others choices? I haven't read any, but their is always the possibility that I missed it. There are thousands of posts, so if the problem is as big as some believe it to be I wouldn't think 3 links would be to difficult to come up with.
 
CSign said:
Can you provide 3 links of hearing parents asserting superiority over others choices? I haven't read any, but their is always the possibility that I missed it. There are thousands of posts, so if the problem is as big as some believe it to be I wouldn't think 3 links would be to difficult to come up with.
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see all locked threads. and banned members. and you were part of it. don't think you're so clever by asking for a link because threads got removed.
 
coolgirlspyer90 said:
What bad experience are you talking about? i never one bad experience. I just feel bad for emma, and Do you think that it is important to listen to what the child is feeling about against cochlear implants?
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Absolutely. If the child is experiencing discontent with a HA or CI over time, their preference should be respected.
 
TXgolfer said:
It's a fact that she said this at that time. Those of us who are parents know that 5yos change their mind often. Not to mention kids in a custody battle can sadly be used and manipulated in many ways. What is definitely a fact, is that this is a very sad situation. If she sticks with her desire not to wear them I hope the parents will be understanding.
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father was understanding. mother's grandma and mother weren't understanding. the fact that you didn't know this is the fact that your intention here is only to troll us.

why don't you do us a favor and do some research before you speak.
 
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