Ron Paul on Michele Bachmann: ‘She Hates Muslims’

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jillio said:
Where did I say that I ever heard such a thing? I was asking a question about this one particular situation.
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And, I replied to the question with a sarcastic remark.
 
kokonut said:
I say that companies are allowed to do what they want with their ads dollars. Put them on air or yank them off for whatever reasons. I don't know about you since you haven't really clarified your position. I could speculate, mind read, but it could be for the worse, too. And I may be right about it. Or not.
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What is there to speculate? I said look what happened what Lowe's tried to "appease their base". And that the same will happen to Michelle Bachmann and suddenly you're asking if companies are not allowed to withdraw ads.

I never said they aren't allowed. I know you're trying to make a point without actually saying it.
 
kokonut said:
I say that companies are allowed to do what they want with their ads dollars. Put them on air or yank them off for whatever reasons. I don't know about you since you haven't really clarified your position. I could speculate, mind read, but it could be for the worse, too. And I may be right about it. Or not.
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Nobody said they can't do that. Nobody is crying for increased regulation in ad contracts. :roll:

The outrage is over the motivation behind Lowe's retraction and the call to action is to single out and protest that motivation.

You do this with everything: reduce the issue to black and white that has only one correct answer. You manage to pack multiple logical fallacies into almost every single post you make.
 
jillio said:
This thread is about Bachman's hatred of Muslims. And the tendency of so many to buy into the hatred and fear that she sells.
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Bachmann has already corrected Ron Paul - she does not hate Muslims, she views Iran as a very real threat.

She is also not a truther like Ron Paul - she may be nuts but not psycho.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Nobody said they can't do that. Nobody is crying for increased regulation in ad contracts. :roll:

The outrage is over the motivation and the call to action is to change that motivation.

You do this with everything: reduce the issue to black and white that has only one correct answer. You manage to pack multiple logical fallacies into almost every single post you make.
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Lowe's withdrew their sponsorship of "All American Muslim" as a reaction to some obscure little org in florida called Florida Family Organization who protested against the positive portrayal of American Muslims, and insisted it was propaganda and an attempt to subvert traditional american values.

And now the backlash against Lowe's is nation-wide and growing rapidly. And if Michelle is trying to appeal to a religious Christian base by hyping anti-Muslim fears, she's in for a rude shock because countless Christian orgs are joining the protest against Lowe's bigotry.

Real Christians don't promote hatred.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Nobody said they can't do that. Nobody is crying for increased regulation in ad contracts. :roll:

The outrage is over the motivation behind Lowe's retraction and the call to action is to single out and protest that motivation.

You do this with everything: reduce the issue to black and white that has only one correct answer. You manage to pack multiple logical fallacies into almost every single post you make.
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Dichotomous thinking. The greatest obstacle to actual comprehension.
 
Steinhauer said:
Bachmann has already corrected Ron Paul - she does not hate Muslims, she views Iran as a very real threat.

She is also not a truther like Ron Paul - she may be nuts but not psycho.
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Yeah, she has said she doesn't "hate" Muslims. :laugh2: That should be good enough for everyone.:laugh2:

No, she's psycho. And stupid to boot.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
Nobody said they can't do that. Nobody is crying for increased regulation in ad contracts. :roll:

The outrage is over the motivation and the call to action is to change that motivation.

You do this with everything: reduce the issue to black and white that has only one correct answer. You manage to pack multiple logical fallacies into almost every single post you make.
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It was a relatively simple question. In fact, a pretty simple question though not a mind reader.

Exactly what the "motivation" are you talking about? Change what motivation? Are you interested in helping Lowes make lots of profits?

Irregardless of the "motivation" companies live and die by their ads and whether its worth to contribute their advertising dollars or not. Money is usually the motivation, if not always, rather than about race as a reason. Lowes wasn't the only one that pulled their ad yet the focus is on Lowes. Pulled an ad from a not very popular show and people get upset. So, now, if Lowes decides to put their ad back in then they must leave it in from now for perpetuity until that show stops airing? Lowes can never leave again?

Money talks, I suppose. That's the motivation. Because of this outrage, companies will make an added effort to make sure whether it's worth to place an ad first and later should they pull it, for whatever reason, would not be faced with a bunch outrage?

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He acknowledged that he hadn't watched the show, saying he'd seen previews and read about it, but believed the company made a decision based on business, not bigotry.
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The manager of the Lowe's store, Doug Casey, said the company wasn't influenced by any outside group or ideology. He said those who criticized Lowe's have a right to their opinion, but that "it's not the opinion of most of the customers I spoke to in the store today."

"I'm deeply sorry if it's caused any divide in our community," he said. "It was never our intention to offend or alienate anyone."
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lowes-pulls-ads-muslim-show-sparks-protest-173552008.html
 
Gawd help us and save us all from this.:roll:
 
kokonut said:
It was a relatively simple question. In fact, a pretty simple question though not a mind reader.

Exactly what the "motivation" are you talking about? Change what motivation? Are you interested in helping Lowes make lots of profits?

Irregardless of the "motivation" companies live and die by their ads and whether its worth to contribute their advertising dollars or not. Money is usually the motivation, if not always, rather than about race as a reason. Lowes wasn't the only one that pulled their ad yet the focus is on Lowes. Pulled an ad from a not very popular show and people get upset. So, now, if Lowes decides to put their ad back in then they must leave it in from now for perpetuity until that show stops airing? Lowes can never leave again?

Money talks, I suppose. That's the motivation. Because of this outrage, companies will make an added effort to make sure whether it's worth to place an ad first and later should they pull it, for whatever reason, would not be faced with a bunch outrage?
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Lowe's said, in their own words, they withdrew their ads as a reaction to Florida Family Org's complaints. Nice try Kokonut, trying to make it seem like it was just about ratings. That was so lame it made me laugh.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Lowe's said, in their own words, they withdrew their ads as a reaction to Florida Family Org's complaints. Nice try Kokonut, trying to make it seem like it was just about ratings. That was so lame it made me laugh.
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Go back and reread. I forgot to add a link and quote. It was about the bottom line....money.
 
kokonut said:
Go back and reread. I forgot to add a link and quote. It was about the bottom line....money.
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I did read it and all it stated was some average Joe who had never seen the show thinks Lowe's withdrew the ads because of money. That's it.

YOU need to go back and read the article again.
 
DeafCaroline said:
I did read it and all it stated was some average Joe who had never seen the show thinks Lowe's withdrew the ads because of money. That's it.

YOU need to go back and read the article again.
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And it's not the first time someone has told you to reread your own links. When will you learn to read your own links, kokonut?
 
DeafCaroline said:
I did read it and all it stated was some average Joe who had never seen the show thinks Lowe's withdrew the ads because of money. That's it.

YOU need to go back and read the article again.
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Saturday's rally was met by about 20 counter-protesters including John White, who lives in nearby Livonia and called those protesting against Lowe's "terribly misdirected." He acknowledged that he hadn't watched the show, saying he'd seen previews and read about it, but believed the company made a decision based on business, not bigotry.
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Opinions vary.
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Especially when the opinion being quoted comes from one who has not bothered to inform themselves of the issue and is forming their opinion based on ignorance.:laugh2:
 
kokonut said:
Opinions vary.
:dunno:
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Not Lowe's opinion. I can easily post here a dozen links all quoting Lowe's as saying they withdrew their ads as a reaction to Florida Family Org's complaints.

But hey, if you'd rather ignore their official statements and quote some schmuck on the street...and endorse companies' rights to withdraw ads for bigoted reasons, then that says a lot about you.
 
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