A hate crime....

Jiro said:
oh there it is. you've explained it already.

so I ask you this - has this happened before?
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What he fails to understand is that being charged with a NEW crime is not being tried twice for the same crime. Superficial understanding of the concept of double jeopardy is the problem here.
 
Are there any statistics on how many people were arrested and charged (not necessarily jailed) and their race breakdown? I'd think it would be interesting to compare this data with the jailed data that Naisho posted.

"Why don't you look for yourself, you lazy bastard?"

Um.. well I'm hoping to delegate.... ;)
 
TXgolfer said:
I could make it personal, but I won't since AD forbids it.

IMO the extra guesswork is unnecessary.
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Do you have anything at all to add to the discussion? You have been asked several questions that you have ignored that would have provided you with the opportunity to demonstrate your great knowledge of and understanding of the topic. Yet all you seem to be able to do is play with your spell checker and make personal insults and address things requiring a thoughtful response with **shrug**.
 
TXgolfer said:
:dunno: Women make up roughly 50% of the population but only 6.5% of the prison population. That is quite a discrepancy
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So, how about you discuss with us the social and psychological factors that would explain that?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Are there any statistics on how many people were arrested and charged (not necessarily jailed) and their race breakdown? I'd think it would be interesting to compare this data with the jailed data that Naisho posted.

"Why don't you look for yourself, you lazy bastard?"

Um.. well I'm hoping to delegate.... ;)
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FBI — Uniform Crime Reports

this is gonna take a while to crunch...
 
Daredevel7 said:
Are there any statistics on how many people were arrested and charged (not necessarily jailed) and their race breakdown? I'd think it would be interesting to compare this data with the jailed data that Naisho posted.

"Why don't you look for yourself, you lazy bastard?"

Um.. well I'm hoping to delegate.... ;)
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Probably not, but I will look for them. Surely someone has compared number of arrests with number of actual prosecutions by race. That would be a starting place. If they were arrested, they were booked into a jail.
 
TXgolfer said:
:dunno: Women make up roughly 50% of the population but only 6.5% of the prison population. That is quite a discrepancy
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It is a discrepancy. But, just that alone proves nothing. To understand WHY there is such a discrepancy you are going to need to dig way deeper than we could possibly go in this thread... and it would go way off track of the OP. I think you are going to have to go this one alone.
 
jillio said:
Everything here supports it.
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Supports this?

especially when you consider that hate crime laws has impacted social behavior in a positive way (we talk a lot more about hate crime now than ever before - more people are aware of how their actions relate to their bias)
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No
 
DeafCaroline said:
Apparently a majority of the women in prison were charged for violence against those who abused them. Really sad.
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That is very sad. That is why early intervention is critical. Hate crime legislation only addresses the issue of hate after the crime. We need social intervention to address the issue before the crime. This, however, takes some gusty politicians and I doubt we have enough of them in office to make a difference. This can also happen at the local level, in schools, in churches (and labeling people as sinners doesn't help anything...).
 
TXgolfer said:
Supports this?



No
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you don't believe discussing social issues encourages more tolerance?

If parents would talk to their kids about hate
if schools would talk to their classes about hate
if community leaders would talk to the public about hate
We could put an end to most hate crimes.
 
Cheetah said:
you don't believe discussing social issues encourages more tolerance?

If parents would talk to their kids about hate
if schools would talk to their classes about hate
if community leaders would talk to the public about hate
We could put an end to most hate crimes.
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We have opened the discussion here. A few years ago, the topic would never have come up. Personally, I see several attitudes and beliefs being exposed that are directly related to the attitudes responsible for hate crimes. Exposure is a good thing.
 
Cheetah said:
It is a discrepancy. But, just that alone proves nothing. To understand WHY there is such a discrepancy you are going to need to dig way deeper than we could possibly go in this thread... and it would go way off track of the OP.
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Exactly!
 
jillio said:
We have opened the discussion here. A few years ago, the topic would never have come up. Personally, I see several attitudes and beliefs being exposed that are directly related to the attitudes responsible for hate crimes. Exposure is a good thing.
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Feel free to list (expose) those.
 
Daredevel7 said:
It actually happens when you have data from Excel (or whatever program) and you reduce the significant digits, then you C&P these numbers with the reduced significant numbers to another spreadsheet, then add those up.

That's one way.
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Yeah, for sure. I manually added them without spreadsheet program to reduce any chance of error, but it's still there after summing it up.

These numbers must be either rounded by the BoP or they might be some people who were grouped into stuff like "White AND Hispanic" or something... Either that or they made a oopsie somewhere.
 
Cheetah said:
you don't believe discussing social issues encourages more tolerance?

If parents would talk to their kids about hate
if schools would talk to their classes about hate
if community leaders would talk to the public about hate
We could put an end to most hate crimes.
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Ah, but you said "hate crime laws" specifically. Are hate crime laws necessary for parents to talk to kids? Schools to talk to classes? Community leaders to talk to the public?

Of course not.
 
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