The immigration thread

How to best manage illegal immigrants?

  • Increase funding for enforcement and patrols

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Build better border fencing

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Increase penalties for companies hiring them

    Votes: 7 100.0%

  • Adapt laws that encourage police to ID "suspected" illegals

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    7
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Steinhauer said:
That would only have to be derived from land ownership - which the Natives claim they have no concept of. A loan implies ownership .... :roll:
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It wasn't about land ownership, it was about the right to use the land. They were usually nomadic so having freedom to roam to survive was part of their way of life.

White people didn't want to grant them that.

Warfare broke out. Famine ensued.

the exact same thing happened in saudi arabia and in other nomadic tribe cultures in which white man came along and enforced the concept of property ownership and no trespassing and it really perpetuated a total breakdown of a culture that led to constant wars.

Somalia is a classic example of this.
 
Beowulf said:
Yep.
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People have been owned.. People today are being owned even in USA. People will always be owned till end of time..

Is it wrong? Yes!

Do people always do right thing??? what's your answer to that??
 
Beowulf said:
Yep.
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Slavery was outlawed a long time ago. Who outlawed it? Was it the Native Americans? Or, was it the U.S. Army? Does the U.S. Army recruit people of all races? Did the Native Americans?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_Native_Americans_in_the_United_States

Traditions of Native American slavery

Many Native American tribes did practice some form of slavery before the European introduction of African slavery into North America; but none exploited slave labor on a large scale.[1]

Native American groups frequently enslaved war captives whom they primarily used for small-scale labor.[1] Some, however, were used in ritual sacrifice.[1] Although not much is known about them, there is little evidence that these slaves were considered racially inferior to the Native Americans who held power over them.[1] Nor did Native Americans buy and sell captives in the pre-colonial era, although they sometimes exchanged enslaved individuals with other tribes in peace gestures or in exchange for their own members.[1] In fact, the word "slave" may not even accurately apply to these captive people.[1] Most of these so-called Native American slaves tended to live on the fringes of Native American society and were slowly integrated into the tribe.[1]
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Battle of the Little Bighorn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Secretblend said:
People have been owned.. People today are being owned even in USA. People will always be owned till end of time..

Is it wrong? Yes!

Do people always do right thing??? what's your answer to that??
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Someone just doesn't get it. Native Americans revered the land, particularly because it contained the bones of their ancestors. They saw the encroachment of white people onto it as a sign of disrespect. So, it was tit for tat: they showed disrespect to the white people by having some of them as slaves.
 
Beowulf said:
Someone just doesn't get it. Native Americans revered the land, particularly because it contained the bones of their ancestors. They saw the encroachment of white people onto it as a sign of disrespect. So, it was tit for tat: they showed disrespect to the white people by having some of them as slaves.
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And on the flip side, someone does not get that the colonists were protecting their way of life. Like the expression goes "All is fair in love and war". And .. "to the victor go the spoils". Do you honestly believe that if the Native Americans had won, that there would be no slavery today?

Plymouth Rock was not an act of war - initially, the colonists were friendly with the Native Americans. It became a conflict in culture erupting into a full scale war. And, in war, you fight to win or get out.
 
Steinhauer said:
And on the flip side, someone does not get that the colonists were protecting their way of life. Like the expression goes "All is fair in love and war". And .. "to the victor go the spoils". Do you honestly believe that if the Native Americans had won, that there would be no slavery today?

Plymouth Rock was not an act of war - initially, the colonists were friendly with the Native Americans. It became a conflict in culture erupting into a full scale war. And, in war, you fight to win or get out.
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The colonists sure had an overblown sense of entitlement, wouldn't you say? :giggle:
 
Steinhauer said:
Native American Clashes with European Settlers

Nope - the original intent was to trade - and they did so peacefully until the formation of the 6 nations (who wanted to dominate the trade by force). :roll:
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Did you read what you linked to?

"As the Confederacy fought smaller tribes for control of western Virginia, European colonists set their own designs on the Ohio Valley. In 1607, English colonists landed at Jamestown, Virginia. Based on various explorations, the British and French laid claim to the territory comprising present-day West Virginia and Native Americans were forced west. Many of the tribes were destroyed by constant warfare and catastrophic diseases."
 
this thread has become HILARIOUS!!!!

Keep going, y'all!! :)
 
ah.... so we have Troy Davis.... and now this.... the hilarity ensues....

Do please go on and reinforce my stereotypical belief about Georgia

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Steinhauer said:
There is the issue of "legal immigration" you are purposefully (?) not addressing. There is a "legal" way for foreigners to become citizens of the U.S.

Those that cross into our border without doing it "legally" are criminals. Criminals break into people's houses and take things that do not belong to them and think it is their "right".

That is exactly what illegals are doing to our country.
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I think legal, illegal, who care? I think borders should not exist. People free live wherever they please.
 
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