GA illegal immigration bill ruins crops

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kokonut said:
Looks like people are pushing the lil ol' guilt trip for being "white" and all the so-called privileges that come with it.

I've nothing to be ashamed for my own skin color.
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Please tell me where that "white guilt trip" come from because it's baloney!
 
DeafCaroline said:
Of course you can post on this thread. I am just saying that if illegal immigration, illegal workers and borders not being protected really and truly bothers someone, then they would let the government know. They would demand the government to do their job. But if they're not willing to do that, then evidently they don't really care that much.
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My representatives from my state are doing their job, so there's nothing for me to demand from them. :)
 
Reba said:
I voted for the representatives of our state who created and passed the South Carolina immigration and E-Verify enforcement bill, and I voted for the governor who will sign the bill into law. My state also requires proof of status for getting drivers licenses and ID cards. I don't have to ask anything right now of my state government.
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And as of passing HB 87, I do not have to ask my State government for anything either.

Should I feel sorry for the American farmers that were breaking the law and exploiting illegal immigrants?

Absolutely not - let their farms rot out of business. A LEGAL American will be along soon to take control.

Another issue I haven't seen addresssed is how can you trust that farms that are not following Federal Immigration laws to be following EPA, USDA and FDA regulations?
 
Ok. Let's see if E-Verify ever applies to the agriculture industry. I seriously doubt it.
 
jillio said:
How about them? You are going to have to be a bit clearer in your questions. Is there something you want to ask me?
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Let's just see who has the deficit in understanding Jillio. You had responded earlier in this thread that it was a greater likelihood that 95 % of the State Government surveys sent to farmers were probably just overlooked and not filled out. I implied that it might mean that 5% of the State Farms that filled out the survey, were doing so because they were following Federal Immigration laws. That gap - 95% was something I had questioned - said it was reasonable to speculate that 95% of the farms in Georgia were hiring illegals because the only respondents were following Federal Immigration Laws.

Still with me so far?

Then, I posted an article where it was readily admitted that 80% of the State of California's Agricultural laborers were illegal immigrants. Not the same State mind you .... but the percentage gap - 95% of non-respondents to a survey sent to farmers in Georgia, who did not respond were either

a) Because they overlooked the survey
b) Did not fill out the survey because they employed illegals.

Based on a readily admitted statistic by another State, I would say your implication that these surveys were not filled out due to being "overlooked" is redunkulous.

Now, I could point this out in several different ways, but I am sure it will confuse you even further.


Governor Nathan Deal of Georgia has already rectified the 11,080 jobs that needed to be filled when the illegals left. Those positions have already been filled by previous unemployed legal residents. The positions pay $15 an hour or less

So much for the outcry that the nation will go bankrupt if the illegals leave .... like I said ... hogwash.
 
Steinhauer said:
Let's just see who has the deficit in understanding Jillio. You had responded earlier in this thread that it was a greater likelihood that 95 % of the State Government surveys sent to farmers were probably just overlooked and not filled out. I implied that it might mean that 5% of the State Farms that filled out the survey, were doing so because they were following Federal Immigration laws. That gap - 95% was something I had questioned - said it was reasonable to speculate that 95% of the farms in Georgia were hiring illegals because the only respondents were following Federal Immigration Laws.

Still with me so far?

Then, I posted an article where it was readily admitted that 80% of the State of California's Agricultural laborers were illegal immigrants. Not the same State mind you .... but the percentage gap - 95% of non-respondents to a survey sent to farmers in Georgia, who did not respond were either

a) Because they overlooked the survey
b) Did not fill out the survey because they employed illegals.

Based on a readily admitted statistic by another State, I would say your implication that these surveys were not filled out due to being "overlooked" is redunkulous.

Now, I could point this out in several different ways, but I am sure it will confuse you even further.
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Dude, it is all still speculation on your part. Do you believe that corporations tell the truth in whether or not they hire illegals? I am a bit too jaded to believe that. Illegals are the bread and butter of big corporations and they know it.
 
Speculation based on facts. Speculation based on a fact that 80% of the labor workforce in Agriculture is by illegal immigrants. But not anymore, at least in my State.

That gap when they left, has been filled. That is also a fact.
 
Steinhauer said:
Speculation based on facts. Speculation based on a fact that 80% of the labor workforce in Agriculture is by illegal immigrants. But not anymore, at least in my State.

That gap when they left, has been filled. That is also a fact.
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A fact is something known with certainty that can be objectively demonstrated and verified. How in the name of God can you claim it to be fact when you cannot meet the criteria of the definition?
 
Beowulf said:
A fact is something known with certainty that can be objectively demonstrated and verified. How in the name of God can you claim it to be fact when you cannot meet the criteria of the definition?
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Here .... let me google it for you :roll:

|| Georgia Department of Corrections || - Press Releases

as well as .... a letter from Deal:






Office of Communications

June 14, 2011

(404) 651-7774



Gov. Deal’s statement on the status of agriculture workforce in Georgia:



“After a thorough review of the voluntary survey conducted by Georgia’s Department of Agriculture, under the leadership of Commissioner Gary Black, it is my understanding that there are some 11,000 employment opportunities currently available in the agriculture community for one day, one month or multiple months. Working in conjunction with Mark Butler, commissioner of the Department of Labor, Commissioner Black put together an honest and thoughtful data package, and I commend them and their staffs for their hard and timely work on this significant matter.



“The agriculture industry is the number one economic engine in Georgia and it is my sincere hope to find viable and law abiding solutions to the current problem our farmers face. Specifically, I asked Department of Corrections Commissioner Brian Owens and Commissioner Black to review the current situation and offer possible options. Commissioner Owens has indicated that there are 100,000 probationers statewide, 8,000 of which are in the Southwest region of the state and 25 percent of which are unemployed. Commissioner Owens is working with Commissioner Black and other state agencies to connect unemployed probationers--especially those in the Southwest part of the state--and others who are preparing to reenter the workforce to employers who are seeking labor. I believe this would be a great partial solution to our current status as we continue to move towards sustainable results with the legal options available.



“I want to encourage Georgia’s agricultural community to continue working with Commissioner Black. In the meantime, Commissioner Butler will continue to publicize the availability of agricultural employment opportunities and Commissioner Owens will work to potentially fill jobs on our farms.”

Stephanie Mayfield



smayfield@georgia.gov



(404) 516-5376
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Beowulf said:
You sure make the prison population sound like they are everywhere. That's the word, folks! :lol:
Are you truly telling me you believe this stuff and pass it off as "fact?"
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Me?

That is the Georgia Department of Corrections as well as the governor of Georgia. If you have a beef with their claims, take it up with them.

You also might want to note that probationers are not prisoners ... just another fact.
 
Georgia is still struggling to find enough labour to pick their produce. Meanwhile legal and illegal workers are scared away and not coming back. They contribute to the economy too. They eat, buy clothes, cars, pay for services just like everyone else. So when they leave, their money leaves and that impacts the economy of farm communities.

Farms are losing money which makes it even harder for them to afford hiring workers at much higher wages AND pay off bank loans and mortgages or payments for farm equipment. Banks are going to start calling in loans when they see the economy dipping a great deal and want their money back before it's too late.

So, now what? They're in a big hole. Is the government going to bail them out just like they did for automotive companies and banks? Can you afford, on top of escalating food prices due to corporations passing off the cost of quadrupling wage labour costs to you in order to make profits, afford to pay even more taxes to bail those big farms out?

And every illegal who does get caught will be crammed into already overcrowded jails and guess who pays for that? Who do you think pays for criminals in jails? You taxpayers do. And you also pay for the entire procedure of their deportations.

There's a huge ripple effect from putting this law into effect and you will feel the consequences when it hits you where it hurts the most, your wallet. It will affect everyone in the US who eats food.

Then you may find yourself saying, ok, wait a minute, maybe we need to amend this law a bit.

Other agricultural states are looking at what's happening to Georgia and they're alarmed. That's why I'm so certain special exceptions are going to be made to this law as it applies to the agricultural sector to keep the American economy afloat. Illegal workers will suddenly get a new status - "guest workers".
 
“I want to encourage Georgia’s agricultural community to continue working with Commissioner Black. In the meantime, Commissioner Butler will continue to publicize the availability of agricultural employment opportunities and Commissioner Owens will work to potentially fill jobs on our farms.”

Stephanie Mayfield"


This is not fact that those 11,000 jobs have been filled. It's a fact that there are 11,000 jobs waiting to be filled. And she said in her own words that it's only a partial solution. By the time they work out all the legalities of using prisoners as free labour, the produce will have already rotted and there will be nothing left to pick.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Georgia is still struggling to find enough labour to pick their produce. Meanwhile legal and illegal workers are scared away and not coming back. They contribute to the economy too. They eat, buy clothes, cars, pay for services just like everyone else. So when they leave, their money leaves and that impacts the economy of farm communities.

Farms are losing money which makes it even harder for them to afford hiring workers at much higher wages AND pay off bank loans and mortgages or payments for farm equipment. Banks are going to start calling in loans when they see the economy dipping a great deal and want their money back before it's too late.

So, now what? They're in a big hole. Is the government going to bail them out just like they did for automotive companies and banks? Can you afford, on top of escalating food prices due to corporations passing off the cost of quadrupling wage labour costs to you in order to make profits, afford to pay even more taxes to bail those big farms out?

And every illegal who does get caught will be crammed into already overcrowded jails and guess who pays for that? Who do you think pays for criminals in jails? You taxpayers do. And you also pay for the entire procedure of their deportations.

There's a huge ripple effect from putting this law into effect and you will feel the consequences when it hits you where it hurts the most, your wallet. It will affect everyone in the US who eats food.

Then you may find yourself saying, ok, wait a minute, maybe we need to amend this law a bit.

Other agricultural states are looking at what's happening to Georgia and they're alarmed. That's why I'm so certain special exceptions are going to be made to this law as it applies to the agricultural sector to keep the American economy afloat. Illegal workers will suddenly get a new status - "guest workers".
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What is actually going to happen is that when the farm labor jobs go to Americans, it will be found that their money stays here too. It does not go to Mexico.

American citizens will not be taxed into paying for illegal immigrants education and healthcare. More unemployed Americans will be able to find jobs and not stay on unemployment.

When it is discovered that the illegal immigrant gap didn't even make a "burp" in Georgia's economy, the left will still be crying "racism" all the way to the grocery store.
 
Steinhauer said:
What is actually going to happen is that when the farm labor jobs go to Americans, it will be found that their money stays here too. It does not go to Mexico.

American citizens will not be taxed into paying for illegal immigrants education and healthcare. More unemployed Americans will be able to find jobs and not stay on unemployment.

When it is discovered that the illegal immigrant gap didn't even make a "burp" in Georgia's economy, the left will still be crying "racism" all the way to the grocery store.
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Oh please. It's better to urp a burp and bear the shame than squelch a belch and die in pain.
 
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