Trickle down health care costs

[TXgolfer]

Add: All it does is take $ away from waitstaff.

Ah so you agree....it hurts the "little guy".

 

[Daredevel7]

Ah so you agree....it hurts the "little guy".

Just curious, when the gas price increased, the airlines started charging fees (baggage fees, etc). Do you call this "trickle down economics"?

 

[jillio]

What? No, no, don't ask me to int...er, translate for you. Learn a common language that you both know and communicate in that.

:P

Hey, I'm using English. I thought that was sufficient. Seems to be for most.

 

[jillio]

This thread is probably 30 seconds away from getting locked. Anyway. I figured if you say things like "obamacare" and "tax" and "trickle down", then I think you mean to talk about "trickle down economics". The situation in SF is not trickle down economics.

Also, the restaurants can't excise a "tax" so much as a "fee"... like delivery fees, housekeeping fees, landlords' endless fees for everything...it's just a way to make the consumer pay for overhead.

This thread is no where no close to getting locked.

 

[StSapphire]

Hey, I'm using English. I thought that was sufficient. Seems to be for most.

Haha, I was implying you should both use ASL :P

[edit] Oh wait, then I won't be able to participa--

 

[jillio]

Haha, I was implying you should both use ASL :P

I can do that, too...but I don't think the golfer would be able to keep up.

 

[StSapphire]

I can do that, too...but I don't think the golfer would be able to keep up.

I certainly wouldn't, but I'd be amused to watch you two furiously signing back and forth to each other, even if I hadn't a clue what you were saying.

 

[TXgolfer]

Just curious, when the gas price increased, the airlines started charging fees (baggage fees, etc). Do you call this "trickle down economics"?

perhaps we should start a thread on it since some can't seem to get past the phrase....

To answer though
No of course not.

 

[Daredevel7]

perhaps we should start a thread on it since some can't seem to get past the phrase....

To answer though
No of course not.

Okay, that clears things up.

Basically, what you are asking us is...

"What will companies do upon increased costs?"

As if ALL companies will react the same way to increased costs. Sure, ONE of the solutions will be to increase the price of their product, but see, this is where competitive edge comes in. Companies charge too much, then we will look elsewhere.

Simply look at the example of increased gas cost for airlines. Did ALL react the same? Yes there's a lot of increased baggage fees, but some also cut routes, some laid off employees, some bought more efficient airplanes, some stopped using the less efficient airplanes, and so on.

So why are you asking us what companies will do when they face increased costs? Do you believe that ALL will simply charge their consumers high? None will find a way to keep it low to get a competitive advantage?

 

[TXgolfer]

well here are the answers I see. But I don't see an answer that addresses whether or not obamacare will increase costs for some businesses.

Exactly.

so you agree

I refer to it as the "shit runs downhill theory."

so you confirm agreement

Not to mention the fact that businesses are already paying for increased health care costs that are the result of the uninsured through increasing cost of premiums for their employees. That is why they keep going to worse and worse coverage in an attempt to cut their cost.

So again..... Businesses will seek to cut costs. Not take the hit to the bottom line. You say businesses are already paying more....what about those businesses that do not currently provide insurance for employees?

 

[StSapphire]

well here are the answers I see. But I don't see an answer that addresses whether or not obamacare will increase costs for some businesses.

I don't think anyone ever tried to claim that it never would increase costs for any businesses. That's just silly.

so you agree

...

so you confirm agreement

Good work?

So again..... Businesses will seek to cut costs. Not take the hit to the bottom line. You say businesses are already paying more....what about those businesses that do not currently provide insurance for employees?

As has already been pointed out, numerous times, the implication that the choice is "cut costs or cut profits" is just plain silly. Businesses always try to cut costs as much as possible and increase profits as much as possible. Nobody's claiming otherwise. We're simply pointing out that it's silly to imply that all businesses will react to a potential cost increase in the exactly same manner, which is what you've been implying.

 

[Beowulf]

well here are the answers I see. But I don't see an answer that addresses whether or not obamacare will increase costs for some businesses.



so you agree



so you confirm agreement


So again..... Businesses will seek to cut costs. Not take the hit to the bottom line. You say businesses are already paying more....what about those businesses that do not currently provide insurance for employees?

You mean those with fewer than 60 employees? Most of them don't.
The bigger businesses may as well face the fact that they will need to.

 

[TXgolfer]

"What will companies do upon increased costs?"

Simply look at the example of increased gas cost for airlines. Did ALL react the same? Yes there's a lot of increased baggage fees, but some also cut routes, some laid off employees, some bought more efficient airplanes, some stopped using the less efficient airplanes, and so on.

So why are you asking us what companies will do when they face increased costs? Do you believe that ALL will simply charge their consumers high? None will find a way to keep it low to get a competitive advantage?

I don't see where I asked Everyone the question.......and we agree there is more than one way....see post 36.

 

[TXgolfer]

You mean those with fewer than 60 employees? Most of them don't.
The bigger businesses may as well face the fact that they will need to.

You mean 50 right?

But hey at least you gave an answer....and you weren't even asked

 

[Beowulf]

You mean 50 right?

But hey at least you gave an answer....and you weren't even asked

I checked and you are correct, it is 50. Sorry for speaking out of turn. I am a townhaller's worst nightmare.

 

[TXgolfer]

I don't think anyone ever tried to claim that it never would increase costs for any businesses. That's just silly.



Good work?



As has already been pointed out, numerous times, the implication that the choice is "cut costs or cut profits" is just plain silly. Businesses always try to cut costs as much as possible and increase profits as much as possible. Nobody's claiming otherwise. We're simply pointing out that it's silly to imply that all businesses will react to a potential cost increase in the exactly same manner, which is what you've been implying.

Post 36. In my experience raising price always worked best. Lowering wages was bad for morale, lowering staff slows you down and lowering quality or taking a pay cut was unacceptable. But certainly those are options for others as is a combination of those options.

 

[TXgolfer]

I checked and you are correct, it is 50. Sorry for speaking out of turn. I am a townhaller's worst nightmare.

 

[StSapphire]

Also, of note - raising prices isn't actually "cutting costs" whatsoever - it's merely increasing profit.

 

[TXgolfer]

Also, of note - raising prices isn't actually "cutting costs" whatsoever - it's merely increasing profit.

Don't care for my usage of the / huh? Lol

I could go back and change it to or for ya but I think it would still net zero answers from the person to which the question was addressed.

 

[StSapphire]

Don't care for my usage of the / huh? Lol

lol, okay, I had to go all the way back to the post where you said that to see that you even used a slash at all. Minor misunderstanding in that case, since I often use that format (cut costs/raise prices) to indicate that two things are roughly the same or equivalent to me.

And since you asked jillio, can I just answer for her and say "anything StSapphire said is my answer too"? Or am I not allowed to speak for other people who I don't really know? :P