French burqa ban goes into force on monday

[TheOracle]

home country? where? You look European. well I don't live in Europe

i iz an amerikan

What does "European" look like?

 

[TheOracle]

I was pointing out the fact you were being offensive with your usage of the deafness. IF you don't like it, leave.

Reported.

 

[Reba]

... Reba's comment (which I think she meant as a little tongue in cheek) violates that principle. I asked how she would feel if another group's right to liberty was violated? And if is, is it fair to tell them to leave?

I made a lot of statements. To which one are you referring?

 

[TheOracle]

FYI - discussion of religion in here is not allowed. take it to PM land.

Um...Muslims are central to the topic of this thread.

 

[TheOracle]

I made a lot of statements. To which one are you referring?

The idea that you could just leave a country if your religion was being persecuted.

The part that people "aren't liking" is that the country in question was infringing on their natural rights. Tis all.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Okay... I don't understand.

Why is it so important to keep faces hid when someone, who wears a dress with a full covered mask, tries to fatally harm or kill an another person? Someone ran away and you can't get an I.D. to find out who someone is..... because of covered up all face.

Sorry, a whole point make no sense to me...

 

[TheOracle]

Depends on the religion. Christians have to individually choose to follow Christ. They aren't born Christians (they are "born again" as Christians). There are other religions that also accept converts, that is, people who choose to join those religions.

Agree.

No. I could fall away from being a faithful disciple, that's possible. But I could never be separated from Christ because He won't let go.

According to your religion...just like Jews can't go and get un-Jewish!

I'm not a Catholic, so I never attend Mass. However, there could come a time in the USA when gatherings for Christian worship could be banned, such as they were in the Soviet Union and other countries. When that happens, I would still be a Christian but under persecution, as are some today.

Agreed, as I noted elsewhere...and if Christian worship is persecuted here, I say viva revolucion.

You are not serious, are you?

Well, yes and no. I was asking what if we just decided to make those laws? You know? Cause you can always go and not be Muslim or something? So why don't we FORCE deaf to be "more like hearing"?

Obviously I do not support that and I think it's horrid. I do believe in natural rights. That's why I'm equally concerned about taking away the rights of Muslims as I am about the Deaf. Natural rights aren't selective, my poli sci friend!

French culture is the minority culture in France? That's news to me.

What we think of as "French" culture is kind of a minority. It's a stereotype. That's why I put it in quotes. French culture is a multicultural smorgasboard.


*giggle* According to Jiro, you're breaking the rules!

Kidding. I know we're not talking theology. We're talking history and politics.

 

[Jiro]

i iz an amerikan

What does "European" look like?

I am American too. and this is my home country too. And you're telling me to leave this "home country" which I call it my home country if I complain about something? I see.... is it because I'm not white like you?

 

[Jiro]

Um...Muslims are central to the topic of this thread.

You were discussing about religions in a great detail not pertinent to this thread.

 

[Reba]

The idea that you could just leave a country if your religion was being persecuted.

I posted that it happened in the past. Some groups have left their home countries in search of greater freedom. That's history. The Pilgrims were one example. They left England, searching for greater religious freedom in Holland. When that didn't meet their needs, they moved on again, to the New World.

I never said that's what should be done now in the French situation.

 

[Reba]

Agreed, as I noted elsewhere...and if Christian worship is persecuted here, I say viva revolucion.

I can't speak for other religions but Christians are not taught to fight religious persecution of themselves with revolutionary violence. Historically, they became martyrs (as in ancient Rome), they dispersed to other places (such as the Pilgrims), they went underground (as in the Soviet Union and China), or they used peaceful legal means to make changes (as in the USA).

*giggle* According to Jiro, you're breaking the rules!

If and when one of the mods contacts me, I will do as requested. I let them do the managing.

 

[TheOracle]

I am American too. and this is my home country too. And you're telling me to leave this "home country" which I call it my home country if I complain about something? I see.... is it because I'm not white like you?

I was being sarcastic. You know, like how you were telling Muslims they could go back to their home country.

 

[TheOracle]

I can't speak for other religions but Christians are not taught to fight religious persecution of themselves with revolutionary violence. Historically, they became martyrs (as in ancient Rome), they dispersed to other places (such as the Pilgrims), they went underground (as in the Soviet Union and China), or they used peaceful legal means to make changes (as in the USA).

Hmmm. Not a scholar on Christians.

Christians of antiquity?

Bloody Mary?

Crusades? (not that they were being persecuted, but)

Christian uprisings in Japan and China?

I just meant that if the government failed to uphold its social contract and prohibited religion, then I'd join that revolution.

If and when one of the mods contacts me, I will do as requested. I let them do the managing.

Agreed.

 

[Jiro]

I was being sarcastic. You know, like how you were telling Muslims they could go back to their home country.

1. I've never said that they could go back to their home country
2. I said they are free to live in ANY country that is compatible with their belief but they shouldn't expect us to bend over for them

so why should this country bend over to accommodate their belief? Why can't they adjust to our belief?

 

[Reba]

Hmmm. Not a scholar on Christians.

Christians of antiquity?

Bloody Mary?

Crusades? (not that they were being persecuted, but)

Christian uprisings in Japan and China?

I'm not going to comment on other people's religions. I speak for my own only.

 

[TheOracle]

I posted that it happened in the past. Some groups have left their home countries in search of greater freedom. That's history. The Pilgrims were one example. They left England, searching for greater religious freedom in Holland. When that didn't meet their needs, they moved on again, to the New World.

I never said that's what should be done now in the French situation.

Okay. But what has happened for the Pilgrims in the past is not an option. There are others in this thread who think they should just up and move. I didn't think you really meant that, but your language felt ambiguous.

 

[TheOracle]

I'm not going to comment on other people's religions. I speak for my own only.

Okay. I just thought you said Christians didn't revolt. It doesn't matter. I made that comment to you because I was thinking of the process by which citizens are justified in a revolution...

 

[TheOracle]

right. in my country, it's allowed in a way. why not America?

simple. it's because sheep/cow/pig/chicken are livestock. dogs are not.

so just because what one can do in one's country doesn't mean one should demand or expect a foreign country should do same.

You were making an analogy between Korea and dogs and Muslims and the burqa.

Troll much?

 

[TheOracle]

what anti-Muslim hearings? in case you didn't read, this thread occurred in France, not America. and no I don't think their policy is dangerous.

beside - they are free to move back to wherever they're comfortable with. it's free country... but they don't get to make their own rule and they don't get to say - hey it's what I do back in my home country and so should you!

Oh hey, and again. It's the Jiro Show.

 

[Reba]

Okay. I just thought you said Christians didn't revolt.

We don't revolt when we are persecuted for our beliefs.

I don't speak for other religions who may call themselves Christian. "Christian" doesn't come with a trademark, so anyone can use that name.

It doesn't matter. I made that comment to you because I was thinking of the process by which citizens are justified in a revolution...

For example, Christians took part in the American Revolution for political freedom from British rule. They did not take up arms for religious freedom. They did use legal process when they participated in the development of the Constitution's Bill of Rights to secure religious freedom.