French burqa ban goes into force on monday

[TheOracle]

Each country has its own Constitution and laws based on their belief. Anything on its land must abide by it. If you don't like it, feel free to find a country that is compatible with your belief. This is not an xenophobic nor homophobic nor Islamophobic nor ---phobic attitude. Get it in your head.

However.... by your logic on this stance, I take it that you're ok with adult marrying pre-teen child or incense or honor killing.... because it's their religious belief and you should butt out.

Hey, hey, it's the Jiro show! Stop trolling and putting words into my mouth. The next time you complain about something, I'm going to tell you to leave my home country.

 

[posts from hell]

:roll: Like you've never made a mistake. Matt, why don't you leave this thread if you have nothing productive to say? So far I've noted three snarky comments from you to me...

Never addressed you.

Assumptions a bitch.

 

[TheOracle]

What? Yes you can. People do it all the time. Religion is a personal thing. Now, if you don't believe in Jesus or God and decide to call yourself a Christian, most people will disagree with you on the basis that the general definition of "Christian" include belief in some of these basic concepts.

I'm Jewish and believe nothing that Catholics think. If I wanted to convert, I'd still have to go through classes and confirmation. If I were Catholic and atheist, then I'm not really Catholic even though I practice. This is what I mean by religious leaders having "some degree".

Well, they might be able to do the latter, unless you open your own new synagogue that's less restrictive.

No, the Orthodox have no say in what I do. I don't belong to the Orthodox movement. Orthodoxy is the only branch of Judaism that doesn't allow female rabbis.

I wasn't insulting a religion. I might have been insulting all of them as a whole.

Can we just not go there for the sake of the rules?

 

[TheOracle]

Now it starts..........................

Originally Posted by TheOracle View Post
There is no lowball cheapshot. I mentioned deaf because yes, this is a deaf forum. If I were on a Jewish forum, I'd use Jewish history as an example. It's called "relating". It's not an unfair argument. We're talking about matters of constitutionality..

Im afraid to say; I have to stand by Jiro on this one.

YOU KNOW jewish history. I would never head out to a jewish forum and tell them what their history was because I don't know. You don't know Deaf history, and in your recent posts it shows. What you had to say in these posts were offensive as well.

I was being quiet till you came out all offensive again, and I had to say something.

lol now all the bad quoting and messy writing is just too to read.

That's how bad debating is. make sure the other party that is receiving the information is all stumped and forced into decided on "who looks like they know their shit (basically who makes the best word salad.)"

Never addressed you.

Assumptions a bitch.

You said you didn't want me talking to you again on AD about anything or you would complain to the mods again like the other day. So now you need to leave me alone.

You are flaming.

Trolling.

Stop.

 

[Jiro]

Hey, hey, it's the Jiro show! Stop trolling and putting words into my mouth. The next time you complain about something, I'm going to tell you to leave my home country.

home country? where? You look European. well I don't live in Europe

 

[Jiro]

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you just broke a major AD rule.... you're gonna get banned. oh well. one less troll. yay.

 

[posts from hell]

You said you didn't want me talking to you again on AD about anything or you would complain to the mods again like the other day. So now you need to leave me alone.

You are flaming.

Trolling.

Stop.

I was pointing out the fact you were being offensive with your usage of the deafness. IF you don't like it, leave.

 

[Jiro]

I'm Jewish and believe nothing that Catholics think. If I wanted to convert, I'd still have to go through classes and confirmation. If I were Catholic and atheist, then I'm not really Catholic even though I practice. This is what I mean by religious leaders having "some degree".



No, the Orthodox have no say in what I do. I don't belong to the Orthodox movement. Orthodoxy is the only branch of Judaism that doesn't allow female rabbis.



Can we just not go there for the sake of the rules?

FYI - discussion of religion in here is not allowed. take it to PM land.

 

[StSapphire]

No, the Orthodox have no say in what I do. I don't belong to the Orthodox movement. Orthodoxy is the only branch of Judaism that doesn't allow female rabbis.

I meant they have a say in what you do in their synagogues. That's all.

Can we just not go there for the sake of the rules?

FYI - discussion of religion in here is not allowed. take it to PM land.

Sorry, it was a snarky comment, didn't think anyone would take it seriously. I'll keep this in mind in the future and refrain.

 

[Reba]

... I took polisci course

Cool! I have a BS in polisci (minor in religion). I did get the "Outstanding Political Science Major" award.

I get more practical use out of my associate interpreting degree.

I get the least use out of my second major (incomplete) in computer science (such as programing in BASIC, COBOL & FORTRAN).

 

[StSapphire]

I get the least use out of my second major (incomplete) in computer science (such as programing in BASIC, COBOL & FORTRAN).

Lol, what, you don't use your COBOL and FORTRAN skills much?

I prefer Ruby, though I'd like to learn Python soon. Unfortunately, I'm stuck using Java for my day job.

 

[Reba]

Sigh. I get the distinct impression that we are moving to having closed captioning and interpreting services being a privilege, not a right. Oh well.

I sure hope not! Certainly not while the ADA exists (although its enforcement could use a little more muscle).

 

[Reba]

Lol, what, you don't use your COBOL and FORTRAN skills much?

Not any more but at one time I was Queen of Flowcharting.

I think I still have my template around somewhere.

Did all that programing and debugging without a mouse or touch pad. Can you imagine?

I can remember when DOS was considered a hot innovation!

Don't choke.

 

[Reba]

When is a protest ever authorized?

When they get parade permits?

In my activism days, when I protested at CBS for lack of captionings, certainly there were those who considered us "unruly." But without us, there would be no closed captioning.

Did you get arrested for that?

 

[Jiro]

Not any more but at one time I was Queen of Flowcharting.

I think I still have my template around somewhere.

Did all that programing and debugging without a mouse or touch pad. Can you imagine?

I can remember when DOS was considered a hot innovation!

Don't choke.

lemme guess - at your time... the machine used punch tables.

 

[Jiro]

Lol, what, you don't use your COBOL and FORTRAN skills much?

I prefer Ruby, though I'd like to learn Python soon. Unfortunately, I'm stuck using Java for my day job.

lol 2 different generation.

 

[SimonJ]

When is a protest ever authorized?
In my activism days, when I protested at CBS for lack of captionings, certainly there were those who considered us "unruly." But without us, there would be no closed captioning.

Protests are always authorised, or they are quickly stopped, as this one was. I don't know how long ago you protested but today the police have to agree to allow it. I am not saying I agree with this, but it is how it works.

 

[SimonJ]

lol 2 different generation.

Sadly I am in the former group :-(

 

[Reba]

I don't honestly think that people who follow a religion choose to be a part of that religion.

Depends on the religion. Christians have to individually choose to follow Christ. They aren't born Christians (they are "born again" as Christians). There are other religions that also accept converts, that is, people who choose to join those religions.

Could you just all of the sudden not be Christian?

No. I could fall away from being a faithful disciple, that's possible. But I could never be separated from Christ because He won't let go.

I mean, you can choose to not follow a religion, but how is that in any way an expression of libertie? You're still Christian, just banned from attending Mass.

I'm not a Catholic, so I never attend Mass. However, there could come a time in the USA when gatherings for Christian worship could be banned, such as they were in the Soviet Union and other countries. When that happens, I would still be a Christian but under persecution, as are some today.

The deaf don't choose to be deaf, but many do choose to have and follow a culture. What if the US made ASL illegal? Then what?

I imagine there would be a huge stink raised, and they would continue to sign underground.

At least in the public education system, they've pretty much experienced that in the past. Milan Conference, anyone?

The deaf can still choose to speechread and speak, right? What if the US mandated CI?

You are not serious, are you?

How is that much different than France forcing Muslims to conform to "French" culture? France is a country of immigrants. "French" culture is the minority, just like Standard American English is the minority.

French culture is the minority culture in France? That's news to me.

...What if that country for the Deaf is Somalia? Is that fair? Can I tell deaf people who don't like how it is in the U.S. to leave? Of course not! You have rights as citizens! As human beings!

American citizens can't be banished to other countries, so it would not only be unfair, it would be illegal. That's American law. I don't know Napoleonic law. I don't know if there's a "human being" law that covers that.

Being Muslim does not = being able to go anywhere in the world that is a Muslim country. You think a French Muslim wants to live in Saudi Arabia? I hear Nicaragua has great schools for the deaf. Lots of churches, too. Should I advocate the deaf people on AD move here?

Um, no. I believe in protecting the rights of citizens rather than suggesting deportation or emigration just so that I can keep our streets looking American and our language sounding "American".

No one has suggested that American citizens be deported.

I, for one, have not said boo about shipping French Muslims to Saudi Arabia.

Muslim women have been doing that for decades. Go on a plane, step aside with a female agent, show them your face, pass security and proceed...
I think we agree on a lot. I just don't think it's fair to tell them to "leave if they don't like it".

I didn't suggest that they should leave.

 

[Reba]

lemme guess - at your time... the machine used punch tables.

Not when I was taking programming in college.

But when I was serving in a radioman billet in the Naval Reserve I processed lots of punched cards. We also used punched paper tapes for radio messages.