Obama: US Launches Military Action Against Libya

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Maybe you should enlist and go over there.

You have never been enlisted so what makes you know such thing?

Living it vicariously, aren't ya? Based on your mindset, it's pretty apparent that military is not for you and yet.... you own guns? :dizzy:
 
You have never been enlisted so what makes you know such thing? Living it vicariously, aren't ya? Based on your mindset, it's pretty apparent that military is not for you and yet.... you own guns? :dizzy:

I am asking YOU that question.

Its so easy to say WE should get involved when it is not our lives that are fighting in the front.
 
Its so easy to say WE should get involved when it is not our lives that are fighting in the front.

again - in my post #161... it's safe to say that military is not for you and that's fine. It's not for everybody.

When people sign up for military, do you mean to tell me they were expecting free ride? free money? free benefits? all of it for doing nothing?

people die in war. accidents happen. collateral damages happen. there will be casualty. if you don't like it, then don't sign up for military.
 
no .... you didn't.

so what do you propose when it comes to "our fight"? Let the robots handle it for us because you don't want us to die? Settle it over video game?
 
When people sign up for military, do you mean to tell me they were expecting free ride? free money? free benefits? all of it for doing nothing?

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Yes....unfortunetly many did just that....for college money.
 
In summary:

Only someone who is a veteran can call others "fellow veterans."

When rogue American soldiers are caught committing murders and atrocities they are prosecuted and punished.

The term "collateral" means the casualties were not themselves the target.

We Americans consider collateral casualties to be a tragic result of warfare, and do not take it lightly.
 
those who do that.... they're mostly officers. or legs. or mechanics.

Nowadays, most soldiers were raised in single parent households. Those households struggle. They joined for money, for the hope of one day getting a college degree.

I am not saying ALL of them did, but the majority of the boots on the ground did just that.
 
In summary:

Only someone who is a veteran can call others "fellow veterans."

When rogue American soldiers are caught committing murders and atrocities they are prosecuted and punished.

The term "collateral" means the casualties were not themselves the target.

We Americans consider collateral casualties to be a tragic result of warfare, and do not take it lightly.

The majority of the veterans that I know (and I know quite a few - all experienced combat) do not feel it is in America's best interest to get involved with Libya's Civil War. They did not attack us. The beef we had with them was settled in 2008 when they paid 1.5 billion in settlements.

Quaddafi has renounced terrorism and gave up his nuclear weapons program. He is not a threat to our country. If we get involved, I am sure it will backfire.

Obama has gone against yet another political promise he campaigned on. He did not get Congressional Approval to strike Libya.

On December 7th, 2007 Barack Obama said, "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

Libya does not pose an actual or an imminent threat to our nation. If the Libyan people want to topple Quaddafi, it is their war, not ours.


Just my 2 cents.

I will have to agree with Rep. Roscoe Bartlett - as much as I want to see Quaddafi toppled - we simply cannot be the ones to do it.

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/...ibya-attack-is-an-affront-to-the-constitution
 
1. Please educate yourself on War Powers Resolution - President Obama did not violate anything. He has 60 days left till he needs Congressional approval. and Obama did notify Congress 48 hrs in advance to use military in Libya.

2. Please educate yourself on UN Security Council Resolution 1973 - President Obama was authorized to use limited military action to protect Libya citizens

3. Please educate yourself on U.S. policy that allows American troops to be operated under partial control of a foreign commander

Homework for you -

Obama Could Face Legal Limits to Military Effort in Libya if Intervention Drags On - FoxNews.com
U.S. policy allows for American troops to operate under partial control of a foreign commander. A directive issued by the Clinton administration in 1994 following the failed intervention in Somalia stated that with "multilateral peace operations," the U.S. president would never relinquish military command of U.S. forces but does have the authority to place them under "operational control" of a foreign commander in some circumstances.

Though that document applied largely to U.N. operations, Gen. Wesley Clark at the time explained that the United States has "always had the ability" to put U.S. units under foreign control.

That Clinton-era policy, though, specified that -- at least in "peace operations" -- the role of U.S. forces must be "tied to clear objectives" and have an "endpoint," something several lawmakers say the Obama administration has not defined in the case of Libya.

Obama said Tuesday he's confident the United States can hand over control of the operation within days despite the squabbling in Europe.

Letter from the President regarding the commencement of operations in Libya | The White House
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President: )

At approximately 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on March 19, 2011, at my direction, U.S. military forces commenced operations to assist an international effort authorized by the United Nations (U.N.) Security Council and undertaken with the support of European allies and Arab partners, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and address the threat posed to international peace and security by the crisis in Libya. As part of the multilateral response authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, U.S. military forces, under the command of Commander, U.S. Africa Command, began a series of strikes against air defense systems and military airfields for the purposes of preparing a no-fly zone. These strikes will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope. Their purpose is to support an international coalition as it takes all necessary measures to enforce the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. These limited U.S. actions will set the stage for further action by other coalition partners.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 authorized Member States, under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in Libya, including the establishment and enforcement of a "no-fly zone" in the airspace of Libya. United States military efforts are discrete and focused on employing unique U.S. military capabilities to set the conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council Resolution.

Muammar Qadhafi was provided a very clear message that a cease-fire must be implemented immediately. The international community made clear that all attacks against civilians had to stop; Qadhafi had to stop his forces from advancing on Benghazi; pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya; and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas. Finally, humanitarian assistance had to be allowed to reach the people of Libya.

Although Qadhafi's Foreign Minister announced an immediate cease-fire, Qadhafi and his forces made no attempt to implement such a cease-fire, and instead continued attacks on Misrata and advanced on Benghazi. Qadhafi's continued attacks and threats against civilians and civilian populated areas are of grave concern to neighboring Arab nations and, as expressly stated in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, constitute a threat to the region and to international peace and security. His illegitimate use of force not only is causing the deaths of substantial numbers of civilians among his own people, but also is forcing many others to flee to neighboring countries, thereby destabilizing the peace and security of the region. Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States. Qadhafi's defiance of the Arab League, as well as the broader international community moreover, represents a lawless challenge to the authority of the Security Council and its efforts to preserve stability in the region. Qadhafi has forfeited his responsibility to protect his own citizens and created a serious need for immediate humanitarian assistance and protection, with any delay only putting more civilians at risk.

The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster. Accordingly, U.S. forces have targeted the Qadhafi regime's air defense systems, command and control structures, and other capabilities of Qadhafi's armed forces used to attack civilians and civilian populated areas. We will seek a rapid, but responsible, transition of operations to coalition, regional, or international organizations that are postured to continue activities as may be necessary to realize the objectives of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.

For these purposes, I have directed these actions, which are in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive.

I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution. I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action.

BARACK OBAMA

Regarding War Powers Resolution - Ronald Reagan and George Bush were notorious offenders who have abused it to a great degree. Clinton authorized military action against Kosovo without Congressional approval. and lastly... Obama has only 60 days without Congressional approval or he must withdraw his troops by then. On extreme case, the President is allowed with 90 days.
 
The majority of the veterans that I know (and I know quite a few - all experienced combat) do not feel it is in America's best interest to get involved with Libya's Civil War. They did not attack us. The beef we had with them was settled in 2008 when they paid 1.5 billion in settlements.

Quaddafi has renounced terrorism and gave up his nuclear weapons program. He is not a threat to our country. If we get involved, I am sure it will backfire.

Obama has gone against yet another political promise he campaigned on. He did not get Congressional Approval to strike Libya.

On December 7th, 2007 Barack Obama said, "The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation."

Libya does not pose an actual or an imminent threat to our nation. If the Libyan people want to topple Quaddafi, it is their war, not ours.


Just my 2 cents.

I will have to agree with Rep. Roscoe Bartlett - as much as I want to see Quaddafi toppled - we simply cannot be the ones to do it.

Republican says action in Libya is an 'affront' to the US Constitution - TheHill.com
I don't know why you attached to my post because I didn't mention Libya or Obama. :dunno:

Since you brought it up, I don't consider blood money to resolve the guilt of mass murder.
 
US role in Libya costs hundreds of millions so far

WASHINGTON – Stretched thin by two wars, the U.S. military is spending upward of $1 billion in an international assault to destroy Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's air defenses and save rebels from likely defeat, according to analysts and a rough calculation of the military operation so far.
Missiles fired from submarines in the Mediterranean, bombs dropped by B-2 stealth bombers and an array of warplanes launching airstrikes over the northern portion of Libya easily total hundreds of millions of dollars. The campaign entered its fifth day on Wednesday.
The Obama administration isn't talking overall cost, but the magnitude of the military campaign, the warships and aircraft deployed and the munitions used provide some information to estimate the growing price tag.
As of Tuesday, the coalition had fired at least 162 sea-launched Tomahawk missiles priced at $1 million to $1.5 million apiece and dispatched B-2 stealth bombers — round-trip from Missouri — to drop 2,000-pound bombs on Libyan sites.
Total flying time: 25 hours. Operating cost for one hour: at least $10,000.
Yet those numbers only provide part of the costs. The B-2 bombers require expensive fuel — and rely on air tankers to refuel in flight — and probably needed parts replaced upon their return to Whiteman Air Force Base. The pilots most certainly will get combat pay.
A contingent of U.S. warplanes; 11 ships steaming in the Mediterranean, including three submarines, two destroyers and two amphibious ships; and one F-15 fighter jet that crashed, costing $75 million or more — it all adds up to numbers that unnerve budget-conscious lawmakers.
"Every six hours we have another billion-dollar deficit," said Rep. Roscoe Bartlett, R-Md., a member of the House Armed Services Committee. "This could cost us a billion dollars there, which means simply another billion-dollar debt that our kids, our grandkids and our great-grandkids are going to have to pay back."
Yet some Democrats argue it could have been far more costly.
"This financial obligation would have been much more significant it if were unilateral," Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Wednesday in a conference call with reporters. "Multilateral would not eliminate it, but it minimizes it."
Said the panel's chairman, Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich.: "We're going to be the junior partner in a multilateral effort." He suggested other countries would cover some of the cost of equipment or fuel.
Zack Cooper, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said Wednesday that the initial cost of the operation was between $400 million and $800 million and the weekly expense was likely $30 million to $100 million.
Cooper said missiles and bombs represent the significant first-time cost. As the campaign progresses, fuel will be a major expense.
"The real question looking ahead is what the length of the operation is going to be and who is going to bear the burden of maintaining the no-fly zone," he said.
President Barack Obama has insisted that the United States will turn control of the operation over to other countries within days. Defense Secretary Robert Gates suggested it could be as early as Saturday.
The Pentagon is expected to cover the cost of the no-fly zone in its current budget. In a classified briefing for congressional staff Tuesday, officials from the State Department, Pentagon and Treasury were pressed on the cost. They declined to address the issue.
Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, said he would offer an amendment to the next budget resolution that would prohibit taxpayer dollars from being used to fund U.S. military operations in Libya. His effort could gain significant congressional support, including the backing of tea partiers, if the U.S. military operation is going full-bore when lawmakers return from their recess next week.
"We have already spent trillions of dollars on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, both of which descended into unwinnable quagmires," Kucinich wrote his colleagues. "Now, the president is plunging the United States into yet another war we cannot afford."
The government already is operating on a series of stopgap spending bills for the current fiscal year amid the clamor to cut the budget, including defense dollars. The Pentagon has requested $553 billion for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1, plus $118 billion in war costs for Iraq and Afghanistan.
"The Pentagon really needs to do this on the cheap," said Loren Thompson, head of the Virginia-based Lexington Institute and adviser to several major defense contractors. "If someone suggests more money to do the Libyan operation, most voters would say, `Let's not do the Libyan operation.'"
In the past, the United States has footed the bill for some costly no-fly zones.
In the 1990s, the U.S. participated in Operation Noble Anvil, an air assault in Yugoslavia. Enforcement of the no-fly zone lasted from March 1999 to June 1999, and cost $1.8 billion. After the first Persian Gulf War, two no-fly zones in Iraq to protect citizens from Saddam Hussein's wrath cost about $700 million a year — from 1992 to 2003.
Rep. Howard Berman of California, top Democrat on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said he expected lawmakers to make a spending cut exception for national security.
"Do we sit out the whole transition in Egypt or are there roles we can play?" Berman said. "Even the most rabid budget-cutters have as a general proposition accepted the notion that national security matters are treated differently than other matters."
The Congressional Research Service said the costs of establishing and maintaining a no-fly zone can vary widely based on several factors, including the duration of the military operation, the specific military actions, the size and terrain of the targeted country, and whether "mission creep" occurs. The latter is an expansion of military steps toward the same goal.

US role in Libya costs hundreds of millions so far - Yahoo! News

Tomahawk missiles are very expensive and B-2 stealth bombers' fuel is expensive.
 
Turkey and France clash over Libya air campaign | World news | The Guardian

With France insisting that Nato should not be put in political charge of the UN-mandated air campaign, Turkey has come out emphatically behind sole Nato control of the operations.


The row came as France confirmed that one of its fighter jets had destroyed a Libyan air force plane, the first to breach the no-fly zone since it was imposed on 19 March. The Libyan G2/Galeb trainer aircraft was destroyed by an air-to-ground missile just after it landed at an air base near the rebel-held town of Misrata, a French military spokesman said.


The clash between Turkey and France over Libya is underpinned by acute frictions between Erdogan and Sarkozy, both impetuous and mercurial leaders who revel in the limelight, by fundamental disputes over Ankara's EU ambitions, and by economic interests in north Africa.


The confrontation is shaping up to be decisive in determining the outcome of the bitter infighting over who should inherit command of the Libyan air campaign from the Americans and could come to a head at a major conference in London next week of the parties involved.


Using incendiary language directed at France in a speech in Istanbul, Erdogan said: "I wish that those who only see oil, gold mines and underground treasures when they look in [Libya's] direction, would see the region through glasses of conscience from now on."

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