Unrest in Egypt; cell phone and internet cut

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From LA Times.
Muslim Brotherhood joins talks on Egypt's new government.
Participation of the formerly banned group shows the nation is on a new political course. Thousands enter Tahrir Square for a 13th day of protests.

Reporting from Cairo —
The outlawed Muslim Brotherhood joined talks Sunday with Egyptian officials in efforts to calm days of street protests and negotiate the possibility of a transitional government to run the country until September elections.

The Brotherhood's participation in resolving the crisis around President Hosni Mubarak is another dramatic sign in recent days that Egypt is on new political terrain. The government for years has labeled the popular Brotherhood a terrorist organization, closing its offices and arresting thousands of its members.

Talks among opposition parties, the military and Vice President Omar Suleiman unfolded as tens of thousands of protesters streamed into Tahrir Square amid a heavy army presence. Protesters and opposition groups, including the Brotherhood, have said demonstrations won't stop until Mubarak steps down or is removed from office.

According to the Associated Press, the Brotherhood said in a statement that its representatives would meet with Suleiman to press its "legitimate and just demands." Suleiman has accused the Brotherhood, businessmen and foreigners he has not identified as being behind a wave of looting and arson that swept much of the country last weekend after security forces inexplicably withdrew from the streets.

Silent footage on state TV showed senior Brotherhood leader Mohammed Mursi seated at a large conference table along with opposition leaders and public figures. Suleiman was shown seated at the head of the table, the AP reported.

In Munich, Germany, on Sunday, the AP reported that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said the Obama administration would withhold judgment on the Brotherhood's decision to enter a dialogue with Mubarak's regime.
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Looks like the Muslim Brotherhood are playing a couple of aces at the moment..
 
Reba said:
You mean like the Muslim Brotherhood? :hmm:
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Are "they" legitimately Egyptian? :shrug: I don't care what their platform is, as long as "any" Egyptian can run for office, I'm happy and I hope the Egyptian people are better off.

Lets see some media say "U.N. voting watchdog" or whatever language to re-enforce that principle of impartiality.
 
craigm26 said:
Are "they" legitimately Egyptian? :shrug: I don't care what their platform is, as long as "any" Egyptian can run for office, I'm happy and I hope the Egyptian people are better off.

Lets see some media say "U.N. voting watchdog" or whatever language to re-enforce that principle of impartiality.
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you might want to think twice before you say that.

that's like saying - you don't care if Sarah Palin and her platform runs America.
 
flip said:
A Muslim Brotherhood rule is perhaps the best that can happen in Egypt.
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:wtf:

The group has had connections to Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups. One of their goals is to end a peace treaty with Israel. :ugh:
 
I'm glad that Hosni Mubarak is gone and hopefully people in Egypt will able to elect their new leader that support democratic in their country and left some foreign policies unchanged, especially treaties with Israel.

The uprising in Egypt is just remind me from 1998 riot in Indonesia.
 
Jiro said:
yes


Egypt is not a "autocratic regime". and Mubarak is the Supreme Commander of military.


Don't confuse "Police State" as something like North Korea or Dictatorship. In Egypt's case, it's different. very different especially in Muslim world.

It's an extremely sensitive relationship between political leader (ie. President, Prime Minister) and Commander-in-Chief. In America - POTUS is both head of government and Commander-in-Chief. In Muslim world, there are 2 leaders - the President or King or any head of state..... and the Commander-in-Chief (but commonly known as "The General"). Obviously, the General obeys the President/Prime Minister/King but the General can overthrow one at anytime if the situation forces him to do so.

In Egypt - it is possible that the General can oust government at any time and take over to bring down the law and order in Egypt. Who knows? That's why America is working very hard to ensure that Egypt stays as democratic as possible (which can change at any time) because Egypt is America's and Israel's powerful Muslim ally in Middle East.

You know that in some case - Muslims and Jews/Americans do not go well together. When people get all hot and angry.. they get irrational and exhibit extremist view. They blame America/Israel for their poverty, poor economy, etc.... which can lead to a call for Muslim extremists to take over the government like what happened to Palestine.
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looks like my prediction came true..... :Ohno:

Egypt's military dissolves Parliament, suspends constitution
Egypt's military dissolved the country's Parliament and suspended its constitution Sunday following the ouster of longtime leader Hosni Mubarak, telling Egyptians it would be in charge for six months or until elections can be held.
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I can only hope that election process will proceed ahead as planned and promised otherwise......
 
craigm26 said:
Are "they" legitimately Egyptian? :shrug: I don't care what their platform is, as long as "any" Egyptian can run for office, I'm happy and I hope the Egyptian people are better off.

Lets see some media say "U.N. voting watchdog" or whatever language to re-enforce that principle of impartiality.
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Good idea. Would like to know what the Egyptians want, not what arab dictators or greedy westerns want. If they don't want democracy, but a nicer dictator or different kind of democracy than in the west, it's ok with me, as long that's what egyptians want.
 
Royale said:
:wtf:

The group has had connections to Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist groups. One of their goals is to end a peace treaty with Israel. :ugh:
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The reason I say "perhaps", is it looks like a good idea to me to run a free election. If MB wins, then they are the best, because the people of Egypt have spoken. If someone else, a secular party wins, then they are the best that can happen. I also don't think MB is as extreme as some claims.

The current peace treaty is about two terrorist states coperating, if we look at this from the shelters of Cairo and Gaza. So this depends on who you ask.
 
Jiro said:
yep. exactly as I predicted.

how I know? this is too typical in Muslim countries. I only hope it doesn't turn into like Buma.
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A buddhist junta ruling egypt, that would just be crazy.
 
flip said:
A buddhist junta ruling egypt, that would just be crazy.
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we don't share same Buddhism belief. They follow the Indian belief... which is called Theravada. It's more of a religious approach.

My Buddhism is more of spiritual type that Korean/Chinese/Japanese follow

Interesting thing to notice - any country that follows Theravada Buddhism has a very violent, bloody history. India. Burma/Myanmar, Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc.....
 
Jiro said:
we don't share same Buddhism belief. They follow the Indian belief... which is called Theravada. It's more of a religious approach.

My Buddhism is more of spiritual type that Korean/Chinese/Japanese follow

Interesting thing to notice - any country that follows Theravada Buddhism has a very violent, bloody history. India. Burma/Myanmar, Vietnam, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, etc.....
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You can add Korea, China, and Japan to that list.
 
darkdog said:
You can add Korea, China, and Japan to that list.
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not really.

they're stable countries now. and wealthy. and America's allies (except China - 50/50).
 
Jiro said:
not really.

they're stable countries now. and wealthy. and America's allies (except China - 50/50).
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You weren't talking about now. You were talking about their history. China had the rape of Nanking (done by the Japanese) and then tens of millions were killed under Mao. Korea was occupied by Japan during the war and then there was the Korean war that split it up. As for Japan, they had to be nuked- twice- to be brought to their senses. I'd say those countries have had at least as much blood as any other place.

As for now, North Korea is a basket case (and certainly not our ally) and China still has their human rights problems. But it is fair to say that South Korea and Japan are doing well.
 
darkdog said:
You weren't talking about now. You were talking about their history. China had the rape of Nanking (done by the Japanese) and then tens of millions were killed under Mao. Korea was occupied by Japan during the war and then there was the Korean war that split it up. As for Japan, they had to be nuked- twice- to be brought to their senses. I'd say those countries have had at least as much blood as any other place.

As for now, North Korea is a basket case (and certainly not our ally) and China still has their human rights problems. But it is fair to say that South Korea and Japan are doing well.
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I'd like to clarify my previous posts.

I was saying that these countries like Burma, India, Egypt, etc. are constantly in turmoil largely due to religious differences among people and then a tension breaks out every once in a while.

What happened in China, Japan, and Korea was mainly a political war or whatnot... along with genocide and human rights abuse.
 
Amen. And without our (American) hands overtly influencing the process. What I mean by that is we should take a mentor role but nothing more.
 
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