How to Decide on Cochlear Implant Surgery for Children

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deafdyke said:
Um yes I have seen many AG Bell kids. I actually attended the Clarke School conference. There ARE some kids who are on par socially and emotionally as well as academicly....but those kids have ALWAYS been around. Always.
That doesn't mean that they represent most kids. Heck, it's actually VERY common for a lot of oral kids (the ones that don't have significent obvious delays) to start out OK, and then start having trouble in later grades.
I think you don't understand that while severe oral failures are no longer as common as they used to be, many dhh kids STILL have significent academic, social and spoken language delays. It's just that they're not as severe as they were back in the old days! heck even many just hoh (aided) kids still have significent delays.
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that is exactly why I always have said that one size does not fit all. You can't deny the success stories as much as you can't deny the failures. I believe you will find both in the various approaches.
 
that is exactly why I always have said that one size does not fit all. You can't deny the success stories as much as you can't deny the failures. I believe you will find both in the various approaches.
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:thumb: Exactly. It does NOT surprise me that there are some kids who are doing extremely well. There have ALWAYS been kids like that. There was a deaf kid in the '60's who spoke four languages. There have always been AG Bell superstars who only need very minimal accomondations in a regular school regular classes setting . But those were the kinds of kids who would have been sucessful even BEFORE mainstream education.
CI kids are functionaly hoh kids. Some of them will do really well in the mainstream.....but there's a TON of research out there that says that many hoh kids still struggle in the mainstream! (and we are the MOST mainstreamed kids)
 
jillio said:
Spoken like a man that has little to no knowledge regarding deaf education and accommodations in the classroom. But that is to be expected. :cool2:
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Actually, it was written not spoken.

Unlike yourself, I do not pretend to be something I am not and further unlike yourself I am the parent of a successfully mainstreamed child. We formed a partnership and worked with our school district to provide the best education and accommodations for our daughter. At her first IEP meeting our Special Ed Director said it was his goal to see our daughter graduate from her high school, which she did.

As I have repeatedly said many times over the years, my daughter was blessed to have as her mother, my wife who has a Masters in Special Education, is a classroom teacher and who has taught deaf children.* She closely monitored our daughter's education and her progress and worked in a true partnership with her teachers and her TOD.

So yes, you can mock me with your nasty little comments, which really reflect more upon your character, or lack thereof, than mine but it does not matter. My daughter was fortunate to have as her mother someone who does indeed know and understand the educational needs of deaf children.

One other thing, she also has more sense than I to just laugh and shake her head in disbelief at someone who would equate tossing a hackey sack around a classroom with CART services for deaf students then to respond to such an idiotic equation.
 
Doesn't speech discrimination vary regardless of the degree of hearing loss? Isn't that why there's a separate test for speech discrimination?
 
deafdyke said:
:thumb: Exactly. It does NOT surprise me that there are some kids who are doing extremely well. There have ALWAYS been kids like that. There was a deaf kid in the '60's who spoke four languages. There have always been AG Bell superstars who only need very minimal accomondations in a regular school regular classes setting . But those were the kinds of kids who would have been sucessful even BEFORE mainstream education.
CI kids are functionaly hoh kids. Some of them will do really well in the mainstream.....but there's a TON of research out there that says that many hoh kids still struggle in the mainstream! (and we are the MOST mainstreamed kids)
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And how do they become success? Through parental involvement and dedicated professionals. You keep calling them "Ag Bell types", how do you think that AG Bell manages to have successful kids?
 
rick48 said:
One other thing, she also has more sense than I to just laugh and shake her head in disbelief at someone who would equate tossing a hackey sack around a classroom with CART services for deaf students then to respond to such an idiotic equation.
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No offense, but I did a lot better when a professor pointed at who was talking to guide the students rather than depending on my CART provider...

No offense, but no CART can keep up with lipreading. It's so awkward to have a two to five second delay when someone asked you a question, or be out of sync with a class discussion and you're depending on the CART to let you know if there's a question being asked, when you can just lipread.

Those two second delays are always the most awkward ones I had in my life.
 
Lipreading is hard to do all day, though. It's so tiring on my eyes.
 
rick48 said:
Actually, it was written not spoken.

Unlike yourself, I do not pretend to be something I am not and further unlike yourself I am the parent of a successfully mainstreamed child. We formed a partnership and worked with our school district to provide the best education and accommodations for our daughter. At her first IEP meeting our Special Ed Director said it was his goal to see our daughter graduate from her high school, which she did.

As I have repeatedly said many times over the years, my daughter was blessed to have as her mother, my wife who has a Masters in Special Education, is a classroom teacher and who has taught deaf children.* She closely monitored our daughter's education and her progress and worked in a true partnership with her teachers and her TOD.

So yes, you can mock me with your nasty little comments, which really reflect more upon your character, or lack thereof, than mine but it does not matter. My daughter was fortunate to have as her mother someone who does indeed know and understand the educational needs of deaf children.

One other thing, she also has more sense than I to just laugh and shake her head in disbelief at someone who would equate tossing a hackey sack around a classroom with CART services for deaf students then to respond to such an idiotic equation.
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Then perhaps you both could use some additional training in the education of deaf children.:cool2:
 
faire_jour said:
And how do they become success? Through parental involvement and dedicated professionals. You keep calling them "Ag Bell types", how do you think that AG Bell manages to have successful kids?
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And a huge chunk of the luck of the draw.
 
souggy said:
No offense, but I did a lot better when a professor pointed at who was talking to guide the students rather than depending on my CART provider...

No offense, but no CART can keep up with lipreading. It's so awkward to have a two to five second delay when someone asked you a question, or be out of sync with a class discussion and you're depending on the CART to let you know if there's a question being asked, when you can just lipread.

Those two second delays are always the most awkward ones I had in my life.
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Not only that, the CART transcribr rarely transcribes all of the peripheral information going on in a classroom. But it would appear that some parents are perfectly satisfied with limitations being imposed on their children. In fact, they celebrate it.
 
yeah, it is not easy on the eyes. moving your eyeball from left to right all day to read small prints (Cart) for college hurts alittle
 
jillio said:
Reading off a laptop screen all day is tiring, as well.
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I didn't say a CART or laptop wasn't. I can relate, actually. I work on a computer all day and by the time my workday is over I'm ready to get off that computer and go home! (but then I get online on a computer again when I get home :lol: ) I was only pointing out that lipreading in itself is tiring after a while, and I am glad to have other tools at my disposal as well.
 
AlleyCat said:
I didn't say a CART or laptop wasn't. I can relate, actually. I work on a computer all day and by the time my workday is over I'm ready to get off that computer and go home! (but then I get online on a computer again when I get home :lol: ) I was only pointing out that lipreading in itself is tiring after a while, and I am glad to have other tools at my disposal as well.
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Oh, I realize you didn't say that. I wasn't really correcting you or anything, if that's the way it seemed. I was just pointing out that anything that requires that kind of visual accuity for long periods of time is tiring.
 
souggy said:
No offense, but I did a lot better when a professor pointed at who was talking to guide the students rather than depending on my CART provider...

No offense, but no CART can keep up with lipreading. It's so awkward to have a two to five second delay when someone asked you a question, or be out of sync with a class discussion and you're depending on the CART to let you know if there's a question being asked, when you can just lipread.

Those two second delays are always the most awkward ones I had in my life.
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Most technologies get better as they evolve. Perhaps that will happen with CART.
 
rockdrummer said:
Most technologies get better as they evolve. Perhaps that will happen with CART.
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it's not the technology. it's the human limitation. whenever there's human component, there will always be time delay.
 
souggy said:
No offense, but I did a lot better when a professor pointed at who was talking to guide the students rather than depending on my CART provider...

No offense, but no CART can keep up with lipreading. It's so awkward to have a two to five second delay when someone asked you a question, or be out of sync with a class discussion and you're depending on the CART to let you know if there's a question being asked, when you can just lipread.

Those two second delays are always the most awkward ones I had in my life.
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I know the feeling. I hated the time delay but I got used to it and sometimes the teacher was fast when he asked if there's any question before he proceeds on or if he picks on me to ask me a question.

I don't feel awkward anymore and I explained briefly to those who is not familiar with CART service that there's time delay and everybody understood. no problem.
 
Jiro said:
I know the feeling. I hated the time delay but I got used to it and sometimes the teacher was fast when he asked if there's any question before he proceeds on or if he picks on me to ask me a question.

I don't feel awkward anymore and I explained briefly to those who is not familiar with CART service that there's time delay and everybody understood. no problem.
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Hope you will get good enough ASL to get a top-notch interpreter!

It makes a world of difference. Only reason why I stuck with CART was because I wasn't impressed with the quality of interpreters that were willing to be hired.
 
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