Federal ban on gay men's blood donation to be reconsidered

Abstinence. Don't do drugs. Don't share needles. Stay away from infected blood. We're protection. Etc..

Like, wear right? Since we're not able to protect everyone out there. Unless you mean we have some kind of superpowers.. then I get ya :cool2: thanks for the compliments. I'm sure the rest of the folks would protect others from HIV if we could.
 
Wear protection, as in condoms, face guard during surgery, eye protection...etc. But I don't think wearing a condom fits in the category of "common sense" protection from HIV.
 
Wear protection, as in condoms, face guard during surgery, eye protection...etc. But I don't think wearing a condom fits in the category of "common sense" protection from HIV.


Alright, cause I read it as WE ARE (We're) the protection. Cool beans.
 
No. It's "wear."


Yup, I know. I was referring to this post incase you aren't sure what I'm talking about.
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Yes, which is why I'm saying now, it's "wear" as I explained it in #122 and #124.
 
no no. Let me help you understand better.

I used the Las Vegas example because you go by least "perceived risk" which is similar to being stereotypical for risk assessment.... It is notoriously erroneous. Since you go by "least perceived risk".... you pick Boise simply because Las Vegas is a dirty sinful promiscuous city full of disease from all 4 corners of the world. Get it?

Your original comment on Las Vegas was to another poster....not me. I don't need your help here....thx anyway. You set the description for Las Vegas not me. I merely based a hypothetical on your description. Inserting Boise and Las Vegas into the hypothetical was was no different than substituting Mary and Jimmy into a 1st grade word problem. You don't say Mary has 5 apples just because a Mary somewhere actually has 5 apples. :lol: Of course you knew that already though. In the hypothetical the risk was assumed not perceived because a description of Las Vegas had already been given by you. But of course you knew that already too.

You have taken my use of preceived in the foxrac post out of context. I will edit the post for clarification. :)

Hypotheticals aside. Adding gay male blood to blood banks is not a perceived risk....it's a statistically factual increase in risk. Perhaps small......but an increase none the less.
 
ah well - it's same for pregnancy test and glucose test (for diabetes).

Again it was a quip about a non existent home AIDS testing kit...:lol:

I even put a :lol: at the end of it.

If ever invented I am sure insurers would see a difference in liability between home AIDS testing and a pregnancy test though....:giggle:
 
Your original comment on Las Vegas was to another poster....not me. I don't need your help here....thx anyway. You set the description for Las Vegas not me. I merely based a hypothetical on your description. Inserting Boise and Las Vegas into the hypothetical was was no different than substituting Mary and Jimmy into a 1st grade word problem. You don't say Mary has 5 apples just because a Mary somewhere actually has 5 apples. :lol: Of course you knew that already though. In the hypothetical the risk was assumed not perceived because a description of Las Vegas had already been given by you. But of course you knew that already too.

You have taken my use of preceived in the foxrac post out of context. I will edit the post for clarification. :)

Hypotheticals aside. Adding gay male blood to blood banks is not a perceived risk....it's a statistically factual increase in risk. Perhaps small......but an increase none the less.

Even though my Las Vegas example was for Steinhauser, it also applies for you. This is a classic psychological study & experiment because it applies to many fields especially business (hint - stock market).

interesting articles -
Real Risk Versus Perceived Risk - How the Experts Beat the Street
Have you ever seen a tight rope walker walking a high wire between two buildings without a net, or watched a motorcycle daredevil leap over multiple cars, buses, or even a canyon? This type of event is thrilling because of the perceived risk. We put ourselves in the performers shoes and think I would never do that...the risk is just too great! The reality is that these performers have practiced and trained over and over slowly increasing the height of the wire and the distance of the jump until they are able to perform these feats with relative safety. In other words the risk that we perceive is different than the risk that is their reality.

How Americans Are Living Dangerously
Shadowed by peril as we are, you would think we'd get pretty good at distinguishing the risks likeliest to do us in from the ones that are statistical long shots. But you would be wrong. We agonize over avian flu, which to date has killed precisely no one in the U.S., but have to be cajoled into getting vaccinated for the common flu, which contributes to the deaths of 36,000 Americans each year. We wring our hands over the mad cow pathogen that might be (but almost certainly isn't) in our hamburger and worry far less about the cholesterol that contributes to the heart disease that kills 700,000 of us annually.

We pride ourselves on being the only species that understands the concept of risk, yet we have a confounding habit of worrying about mere possibilities while ignoring probabilities, building barricades against perceived dangers while leaving ourselves exposed to real ones. Six Muslims traveling from a religious conference were thrown off a plane last week in Minneapolis, Minn., even as unscreened cargo continues to stream into ports on both coasts. Shoppers still look askance at a bag of spinach for fear of E. coli bacteria while filling their carts with fat-sodden French fries and salt-crusted nachos. We put filters on faucets, install air ionizers in our homes and lather ourselves with antibacterial soap. "We used to measure contaminants down to the parts per million," says Dan McGinn, a former Capitol Hill staff member and now a private risk consultant. "Now it's parts per billion."
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"There are two systems for analyzing risk: an automatic, intuitive system and a more thoughtful analysis," says Paul Slovic, professor of psychology at the University of Oregon. "Our perception of risk lives largely in our feelings, so most of the time we're operating on system No. 1."
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The same is true for, say, AIDS, which takes you slowly, compared with a heart attack, which can kill you in seconds, despite the fact that heart disease claims nearly 50 times as many Americans than AIDS each year. We also dread catastrophic risks, those that cause the deaths of a lot of people in a single stroke, as opposed to those that kill in a chronic, distributed way. "Terrorism lends itself to excessive reactions because it's vivid and there's an available incident," says Sunstein. "Compare that to climate change, which is gradual and abstract."

and I do enjoy life too much.... too much that I don't live my life with perceived risk. That's why I'm out everyday... riding... where people have a perceived risk of riding for decades - serious injury or death.
 
What I'm saying is that everyone should come out of their safety bubble :wave:

I know, and I was kidding. However, one's "perception" is one's "reality".

Your perception will always be different from other people's perception.

An example is .... some people are terrified of heights, water etc. I may think that is silly, but to them .... its not.
 
Interesting. From my own experience, I ve met numerous guys, gay and straight guys. I know they both sleep around, at the same amount of sleeping. gay guys often go to get tests more than straight guys.

It's up to you all to decide from there.

:hmm:
 
I know, and I was kidding. However, one's "perception" is one's "reality".

Your perception will always be different from other people's perception.

An example is .... some people are terrified of heights, water etc. I may think that is silly, but to them .... its not.

bad analogy. it doesn't even fit. What you're saying is basically like this - I eat this steak and I like it because it's juicy and delicious. You eat the same steak and you didn't like it because the texture feels funny and it's chewy.

so here's the right one:
Situation: you own gun. you hunt deers. you eat deers.
Perceived Risk: gun is very dangerous. it can kill you instantly. eating deer is a serious health risk because of lyme disease and rabies.
Real Risk: well we both know the truth :)
 
don't worry about the word "ALL". Point is - ALL blood donors are asked same set of questions. I doubt a lot of them would lie. Maybe a very few donors lie but the point is - I seriously doubt many donors including gay people would lie.
It's not just a matter of "lying." Some donors may have blood-borne diseases that they aren't aware of. That's why the Red Cross can't depend on questions only; they need to test the blood.

The problem is, the tests aren't foolproof. :(
 
Shame..... That not enough straight people donate blood and they're such a high demand in blood.


Gay people are not the only group that carries HIV or other blood borne diseases. They're several high risk groups. Taking blood is always carries some sort of risk regardless. Especially, when you do not know where it came from or who screened it.

Homosexuals are no longer the highest risk group.....

check it out.

Fact Sheet: HIV/AIDS among Youth | Factsheets | CDC HIV/AIDS
 
regardless of high risk groups. HIV is not always detectable during the 'window period'

Identifying Low-risk Donors
The donor recruiter must appreciate that to ensure safe blood transfusion, identifying and recruiting low-risk donors is absolutely essential.
Selection of low risk donors may be based on the following considerations:

1. Regular, voluntary non-remunerated donors are safer than family or family replacement donors and commercial donors.
2. People who give blood under pressure or for payment are less likely to reveal their unsuitability as donors. They are therefore a risk to blood transfusion.
3. Potential donors may be unsuitable to give blood because of their own poor health they are not giving blood voluntarily risk behaviour.
4. It is not possible to detect HIV antibodies during the ‘window period’.
5. HIV seroprevalence is generally higher in blood sellers and even in the so called replacement or relative donors than amongst regular voluntary donors.
6. Every blood transfusion service and hospital blood bank should be aware of national criteria for identifying low risk donor groups and, therefore, potentially safe donors. They should concentrate on finding donors from amongst low risk groups by: Avoiding unsuitable donors Recruiting regular voluntary non-remunerated donors.
7. Potential donors who have engaged in high risk behaviour or who are in poor health should be encouraged to self-exclude or self-defer. This is only possible if potential donors are made aware of risk behaviour.Blood bank staff should always provide opportunities for donors to ask for confidential unit exclusion. In such cases, strict confidentiality must always be maintained.
8. Donors should be asked questions in a private area. Result seeking donors who approach blood banks should be deferred.
9. Considering history-taking as a barrier in collecting large number of units of blood is a great mistake.

Blood Donors
 
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