Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

Jiro said:
I completely agree but I have to ask because I think it depends on type of rumor. For example - a rumor relating to child molestation/abuse or sexual-related crime is quite devastating and is ultimately a career-killer for many people. It even can lead you to jail. This kind of rumor is usually unrecoverable.... even if you were cleared of wrongdoing.

then.... there's another type of rumor that is relating to "scandalous affair".... Such a trivial quibbling can ruin people's reputation and perhaps their career but it's not really as devastating as above. A lot of people can rise up against it. a lot can't.

So rumor on you - I suppose it's the "not-so-bad" type?
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There you go. That's what I'm talking about.
 
Jiro said:
I completely agree but I have to ask because I think it depends on type of rumor. For example - a rumor relating to child molestation/abuse or sexual-related crime is quite devastating and is ultimately a career-killer for many people. It even can lead you to jail. This kind of rumor is usually unrecoverable.... even if you were cleared of wrongdoing.

then.... there's another type of rumor that is relating to "scandalous affair".... Such a trivial quibbling can ruin people's reputation and perhaps their career but it's not really as devastating as above. A lot of people can rise up against it. a lot can't.

So rumor on you - I suppose it's the "not-so-bad" type?
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You are Buddhist if I remember correctly (apologies if I am wrong). Think of this in relation to the 4 Noble Truths. Do any of these things affect you.....or do the affect your environment.

As for rumor on me....it was more about my family but I am not going into it. Suffice to say it was worse than an affair but not as bad as a crime against a child.
 
TXgolfer said:
You are Buddhist if I remember correctly (apologies if I am wrong). Think of this in relation to the 4 Noble Truths. Do any of these things affect you.....or do the affect your environment.
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si I am a Buddhist but not a devout one :D

what you did there is more of "Eightfold Path" approach to overcome these malicious rumor :)

TXgolfer said:
As for rumor on me....it was more about my family but I am not going into it. Suffice to say it was worse than an affair but not as bad as a crime against a child.
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no detail is needed. what you just said is more than enough for me to get some idea. so yea... I hope this cleared an air between you and others about rumor being devastating or not because both of you are both right.
 
Jiro said:
si I am a Buddhist but not a devout one :D

what you did there is more of "Eightfold Path" approach to overcome these malicious rumor :) Exactly


no detail is needed. what you just said is more than enough for me to get some idea. so yea... I hope this cleared an air between you and others about rumor being devastating or not because both of you are both right.
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This started with a question to me on if I was ok with being judged. I say yes.
I hold myself accountable for my mistakes. In this case I judged someone for choosing a felon as a partner.... If I had done that I would expect to be judged. If I broke an employers policy I would expect to be judged/terminated.
 
TXgolfer said:
This started with a question to me on if I was ok with being judged. I say yes.
I hold myself accountable for my mistakes. In this case I judged someone for choosing a felon as a partner.... If I had done that I would expect to be judged. If I broke an employers policy I would expect to be judged/terminated.
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That was what I was getting from you.
 
TXgolfer said:
At least she would have been following Air Force policy.
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That does make sense.

Reba said:
It may seem like paranoia at times but there is historical precedence for their caution when it comes to security. Are you familiar with the Walkers? They are one example of security collapse.
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No, and googling Walkers gave me nothing. I seldom pay attention to the news in any form.

Reba said:
Actually, by going thru the CO, the service member gains protection.

The CO can refuse the police access to a military member who is on a military base or ship.

Most CO's, when contacted by the police, would call the service member into the office to find out what's going on. "Sergeant, is there anything you want to tell me before I call back the police?"

Then, depending on the command's mission, the CO will allow the police access to the member or not. If yes, the CO might even ask the member, "Sergeant, do you want someone to go with you, or do you need to call the JAG?"

If the CO doesn't want to allow access, the CO will call back the police and tell them, sorry, they can't be allowed access now. If they have any questions, call the JAG.

That doesn't mean the service member is off the hook. The CO will initiate his own investigation as to what's going on.
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This sounds like something out of an NCIS episode (some of my family members are addicted to it and I have to admit I like the cast of characters even though I'm not into the show itself.)

I am beginning to think the military life and mindset is/has become a culture in and of itself that the rest of us have difficulty following.

Deaf Cultural concepts I have affinity for, Military cultural concepts evade me.
 
Berry said:
I am beginning to think the military life and mindset is/has become a culture in and of itself that the rest of us have difficulty following.
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That is why I defer to the Military on D.A.D.T. I have no idea what is important in that culture but I know that what they do is extremely important. If they say gay personnel weaken our country I give them the benefit of the doubt. What they do is too important to be wrong.
 
TXgolfer said:
That is why I defer to the Military on D.A.D.T. I have no idea what is important in that culture but I know that what they do is extremely important. If they say gay personnel weaken our country I give them the benefit of the doubt. What they do is too important to be wrong.
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I cannot accept that they are right every time, and I cannot agree with them on their gay stance -- It certainly did not seem to hurt Alexander the Great nor other, more modern, armies.

Actually I would think it would be a strength as I recall during Viet Nam some military hot shot made the statement that the biggest security problem was enlisted men patronizing prostitutes and telling them too much.

Hardly an issue if two army buddies are doing each other.
 
Reba said:
Crime History » John A. Walker Jr. bagged in U.S.S.R. spy ring bust | Washington Examiner

Family of Spies: The John Walker Jr. Spy Case - Crime Library on truTV.com

http://greathistory.com/john-walker-notorious-spy-part-i.htm
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Ego and greed.

I am not sure the military is using the right tools to weed its garden. Surely that much greed and that huge an ego cannot be hidden from someone who is looking for it as a danger sign.

There is no way I can believe a man has an honorable motive in him if he sells secrets for $200,000. Money is his only moral code.

Worse, I cannot think of a punishment harsh enough to fit the crime.

Doesn't the military have psyche evaluations?

How much good are they?

I think I understand your position a little better, though I'm not sure I would ever actually agree with it.
 
Berry said:
...Actually I would think it would be a strength as I recall during Viet Nam some military hot shot made the statement that the biggest security problem was enlisted men patronizing prostitutes and telling them too much.
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You are right that military men shouldn't use prostitutes.

Hardly an issue if two army buddies are doing each other.
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Homosexual soldiers never use same-sex prostitutes or civilian sex partners?
 
Berry said:
...Doesn't the military have psyche evaluations?
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Not generally. In my 24 years I never had one. Hubby never did during his career either.

I think the submarine community undergoes psychological evaluations. Possibly also the nuke community, certain pilots, and special forces. I'm not sure.

I would say most service members do not get evaluated unless there's a problem.

I think I understand your position a little better, though I'm not sure I would ever actually agree with it.
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Which position would that be?
 
Reba said:
You are right that military men shouldn't use prostitutes.
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That was the military officer's words, not mine. I know from experience that danger makes me horny. Had I been in Viet Nam I'd have done whatever it took to get laid. I think the military should provide its own camp followers the same as George Washington and other armies have.

Reba said:
Homosexual soldiers never use same-sex prostitutes or civilian sex partners?
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Never having been either a soldier nor a homosexual I cannot speak with any authority on this.

However I have known a couple of men who were heterosexual prior to serving in Viet Nam who were either homosexual or bisexual when they came out. This has made me aware that when you put a few horny young men out on patrol with no women around they sometimes turn to each other for gratification.




Reba said:
Which position would that be?
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In case you are not aware of it you have maintained a consistent posture in all of your posts, not just in this thread but in others.

I don't want to pigeon hole you or imply that your attitudes and beliefs are wrong, but in general you believe in authority, not rocking the boat, maintaining professionalism, doing your duty as it is defined by you position and profession. I would say you easily fit into the military and professional cultures.

People such as yourself are needed in the world.

In this thread you maintain the police and the military acted correctly.

You might be right, but people such as myself can and will question it.
 
Berry said:
Never having been either a soldier nor a homosexual I cannot speak with any authority on this.

However I have known a couple of men who were heterosexual prior to serving in Viet Nam who were either homosexual or bisexual when they came out. This has made me aware that when you put a few horny young men out on patrol with no women around they sometimes turn to each other for gratification.
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prisoners too.
 
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