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Want to create this thread in regards of the granny shooting and missing her target.

Going along with the. "what ifs."

What if a person was being attacked. Which I feel they have every right to defend themselves. The question I have is.... what if the victim pulled a gun shooting at the perpetrator, doing so, missing the targeted person and hit an innocent bystander?? Harming that person in a major way, or killing an innocent person?
 
Babyblue said:
Want to create this thread in regards of the granny shooting and missing her target.

Going along with the. "what ifs."

What if a person was being attacked. Which I feel they have every right to defend themselves. The question I have is.... what if the victim pulled a gun shooting at the perpetrator, doing so, missing the targeted person and hit an innocent bystander?? Harming that person in a major way, or killing an innocent person?
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I say if the victim accidentally killed an innocent bystander, the perp gets the murder charge.
 
Tousi said:
I say if the victim accidentally killed an innocent bystander, the perp gets the murder charge.
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Perhaps.

Since he created a scene.

What if the victim was not license to carry a gun... or is, but had no type of training to use it.

Would it matter how the victim handled it?

By saying for an example.... Should a victim chose to give up and give the robber what they want? Or put others at risk by shooting freely?
 
well, if it is a law to have a permit or license, she should get in trouble.

other than that, there are plenty of accidential shooting.
 
Tousi said:
I say if the victim accidentally killed an innocent bystander, the perp gets the murder charge.
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Exactly, in fact that is law. Any death during the commission of a felony can be a murder charge against the perp.
 
TXgolfer said:
Exactly, in fact that is law. Any death during the commission of a felony can be a murder charge against the perp.
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Agree, perhaps... Depending on the local laws.


But what if the victim was a felon himself that prohibits him/herself from having a gun themselves? And they shot at the perpetrator, and missed hitting a bystander?

Then what?
 
Some people believe anyone should have the rights to bear arms, rather they are criminals or not, they still have the rights to protect themselves.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
well, if it is a law to have a permit or license, she should get in trouble.

other than that, there are plenty of accidential shooting.
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Yes, and that is why people get charged with negligent homicide. They didn't mean to kill someone, but their actions caused it to happen.
 
jillio said:
Yes, and that is why people get charged with negligent homicide. They didn't mean to kill someone, but their actions caused it to happen.
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Exactly! seen on the news! Where people shoot their own family members due to they think they are robbers or what not. ( a child too)

They get charged with manslaughter.

Even if they did not mean to doso.

Sticky. Indeed. Especially when fear get the best of the person, and they shoot before they think.

Somewhat of a "shoot then ask questions later attitude"

Which I probably do as well if I was fearing for my life.
 
Babyblue said:
Exactly! seen on the news! Where people shoot their own family members due to they think they are robbers or what not. ( a child too)

They get charged with manslaughter.

Even if they did not mean to doso.

Sticky. Indeed. Especially when fear get the best of the person, and they shoot before they think.

Somewhat of a "shoot then ask questions later attitude"

Which I probably do as well if I was fearing for my life.
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Just recently around here, a man was charged with manslaughter for shooting his daughter in law in the head. Mistook her for a burglar.
 
jillio said:
Just recently around here, a man was charged with manslaughter for shooting his daughter in law in the head. Mistook her for a burglar.
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Exactly what I'm speaking of!

Protecting yourself is one thing. Taking a gun and blasting it to kingdom come is another thing.
 
Can I ask a "what if" question too?

If so, here is my question:

What if this 82 year old lady did not have a gun?

Would she have been killed by subdural hematoma caused by massive hemorrhages due to being struck repeatedly in the head with her own cane?

Would anyone have caught the perp? Would anyone have come to her aid?

Remember, people only came to help her when they heard gunshots. So, no gun .... no gunshots .... no one would hear anything.
 
Lighthouse77 said:
Some people believe anyone should have the rights to bear arms, rather they are criminals or not, they still have the rights to protect themselves.
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I don't believe that ideal is upheld by guntoting law-abiding citizens.
 
Pizza guy shoots robber! Good!

:lol:

This topic is what if a bystander was hit in event of a victim shooting at a perpetrator.
 
Easy...

Move to the town with the lowest population density.

I wouldn't even try to shoot in a city like Tokyo... the potential for a stray bullet to hit someone is too great.
 
Tousi said:
I don't believe that ideal is upheld by guntoting law-abiding citizens.
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You are correct ..... Its not.

I would not want someone with a history of felony convictions to be allowed anywhere near a firearm.

I also would not want someone who believed they were a re-incarnated Napoleon whom also carried on conversations with themselves to be anywhere near a firearm either.
 
souggy said:
Easy...

Move to the town with the lowest population density.

I wouldn't even try to shoot in a city like Tokyo... the potential for a stray bullet to hit someone is too great.
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But, but, If we all did that.... We would be right back where we started.

:lol:
 
Babyblue said:
Pizza guy shoots robber! Good!

:lol:

This topic is what if a bystander was hit in event of a victim shooting at a perpetrator.
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Ah! Then I agree with Tousi, if an innocent bystander was shot due to someone acting in self defense from a violent perpetrator, then the perpetrator should be charged with either a) murder or b) negligent homicide.

The charges should stem from what the perpetrators intentions were (i.e. robbery = negligent homicide, robbery with deadly weapon = murder).

If someone shot randomly for no reason, they should be charged to the fullest extent of the law.

Now the other issue brought up is self defense "accidents". Shooting someone because you thought they were breaking into your home, but turns out to be unannounced relative showing up - those are absolutely horrible accidents. People die in car accidents much more frequently. Those are equally tragic.

Game wardens are shot frequently when a hunter thinks they are a game animal ... I do not know how this happens ... but it does.
 
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