Key liberal congressman flips to 'yes' on health care vote

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And it can happen to people even with insurance. It happened to my roomate that I had while I stayed in rehab last summer after a severe infection.

She and hubby got hit by a truck on the highway. She says she incurred a $17k worth of medical bills just for 9 hours and and that's not including the other medical costs that she and hubby have to face. He has permanent brain damage from that accident and he will require rehab.

She had already been staying at my rehab center a month before I came and my medical insurance paid about 14k for my expenses and I only stayed two weeks. I owe about a thousand dollars worth and I've been paying some of it off each month.

Based on what my roomate told me, it's likely she and hubby are facing half a million in medical expenses which is enough to wipe out many people's savings

Guessing the truck driver didn't have liability and your roommate didn't have PIP. Those should pay a bunch of it. I carry the upper limit on auto insurance.

People do not realize that insurance has a lifetime cap. For me, being healthy, it made more sense to invest than to pay premiums and still have a high deductible. It worked out.
 
Exactly my point. Some can afford other options and some can't so a mandate for all is not fair for all.

What about people with medical trust funds who don't want to pay for a plan that limits the Drs they can see. Why should they have to pay for health insurance or face jail time?

If you already have insurance, what does requiring those that don't do to change your situation? The mandate would only apply to the uninsured, and they would have options for fulfilling that mandate.

Shel is right. The expenses that are left by the uninsured for others to compensate for is the main reason that health care costs have risen and continue to rise.
 
I have question to ask, when supreme court rule mandatory insurance coverage is unconstitutional so partially or entire of health care bill, including ban on pre-existing and denying from cover the insurance because of serious problem would strike down or just partially of health care bill like ban on pre-existing would still enforce since mandatory insurance coverage is strike down?
 
If you already have insurance, what does requiring those that don't do to change your situation? The mandate would only apply to the uninsured, and they would have options for fulfilling that mandate.

Shel is right. The expenses that are left by the uninsured for others to compensate for is the main reason that health care costs have risen and continue to rise.

Would a privately invested medical trust be an option?The bill says no. Many uninsured...like me....do not need insurance. It's a choice. How is it fair that I would be required to have it??

It's all kind of moot anyway.....If passed it doesn't take affect until 2014 and that's if it survives the SC.
 
I have question to ask, when supreme court rule mandatory insurance coverage is unconstitutional so partially or entire of health care bill, including ban on pre-existing and denying from cover the insurance because of serious problem would strike down or just partially of health care bill like ban on pre-existing would still enforce since mandatory insurance coverage is strike down?

See the Commerce Clause
 
I have question to ask, when supreme court rule mandatory insurance coverage is unconstitutional so partially or entire of health care bill, including ban on pre-existing and denying from cover the insurance because of serious problem would strike down or just partially of health care bill like ban on pre-existing would still enforce since mandatory insurance coverage is strike down?

let's find out, shall we eh?
 
Would a privately invested medical trust be an option?The bill says no. Many uninsured...like me....do not need insurance. It's a choice. How is it fair that I would be required to have it??

It's all kind of moot anyway.....If passed it doesn't take affect until 2014 and that's if it survives the SC.

I'm not buying the "don't need" philsophy. You don't know that you won't be stuck by a bus tomorrow, and end up needing catastophic care for an extended period of time. Without insurance prior to the accident, who pays for the millions of dollars in medical care? We all do. The medical industry has to raise costs to cover the care that never gets paid for.

I personally know a woman who thought she did not need insurance, either, because she was young and had never had ill health. She ended up with $200,000 in bills for catastophic care when she was diagnosed with breast cancer.

My nephew has a friend that, at the age of 27, suffered an accident that required him to receive long term care. He has been in a convalescent home, under 24 hour nursing care, for the last 15 years. Imagine the cost of that.

These are situations that occur on a daily basis in this country, and situations that we are all paying for because people think they "don't need insurance."
 

It means supreme court could decide if partial or entire is strike down like they did partially struck down about New Deal under FDR?
In 1936, Roosevelt and Congress were implementing New Deal policies and the Supreme Court, in Carter v. Carter Coal Company[6], struck down a key element of the New Deal's regulation of the mining industry, on the grounds that mining was not "commerce.
Commerce Clause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
I'm not buying the "don't need" philsophy. You don't know that you won't be stuck by a bus tomorrow, and end up needing catastophic care for an extended period of time. Without insurance prior to the accident, who pays for the millions of dollars in medical care? We all do. The medical industry has to raise costs to cover the care that never gets paid for.

I personally know a woman who thought she did not need insurance, either, because she was young and had never had ill health. She ended up with $200,000 in bills for catastophic care when she was diagnosed with breast cancer.

My nephew has a friend that, at the age of 27, suffered an accident that required him to receive long term care. He has been in a convalescent home, under 24 hour nursing care, for the last 15 years. Imagine the cost of that.

These are situations that occur on a daily basis in this country, and situations that we are all paying for because people think they "don't need insurance."

Most personal health insurance policies and many employer funded policies have a lifetime cap of $1 million.....Most health care trusts are valued more than that
 
I think my roommate and hubby prolly weren't able to afford insurance given what she told me. They are around jillio's age if I'm not mistaken. I guess they were hoping they'd luck out. The accident threw my roommate's muscles out of whack and she was in rehab cuz of that. The seatbelt saved her life though.
 
Most personal health insurance policies and many employer funded policies have a lifetime cap of $1 million.....Most health care trusts are valued more than that

That is still a million cap that won't be covered if you don't have insurance.
 
I think my roommate and hubby prolly weren't able to afford insurance given what she told me. They are around jillio's age if I'm not mistaken. I guess they were hoping they'd luck out. The accident threw my roommate's muscles out of whack and she was in rehab cuz of that. The seatbelt saved her life though.

Yep. Things like that happen all the time.
 
That is still a million cap that won't be covered if you don't have insurance.

But would be covered for someone with a medical trust. Hence,mandatory health insurance is not fair for all.

But again it will most likely not happen and if it does it will be many years from now. Heck the world is supposed to end 2 years before this plan is scheduled to take affect.

If the mandate ever became law and the SC upheld it, that may just start the next civil war. Too many states are dead set against it. It will be interesting for sure.
 
Yeah, such an extreme and dire "health emergency" to pass this bill that won't take effect until 4 years down the road.
 
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