Pro-life advocate murdered in Michigan

[kokonut]

Then we can go back to the old argument that when a man ejaculates on his bed, he is murdering people because his sperm contains DNA.

You need DNA from both a man's sperm and woman's egg to begin producing the making of a human being.

 

[netrox]

Can a new thread be made soley about abortion issue and put it in political thread?

 

[Jiro]

from link OP provided -

The suepect, a 33-year-old Owosso man, told police he was involved in a second killing and police confirmed they found the body of Mike Fuoss, the owner of Fuoss Gravel Pit, dead after being shot multiple times at close range in his office.

just caught a misspelling

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Can a new thread be made soley about abortion issue and put it in political thread?

Even if kokonut (the original poster) was the one that started it in the first place AND relayed it to the other thread?

 

[yizuman]

Here is where you are making your grave error: baby is not a medical term, either. That would be neo-nate and past the neonatal stage, infant.

Baby is nothing more than popularized, romanticized slang.

And it has absolutely nothing to do with symbolic interaction, except with those that are attempting to distort reality and accuracy.

And you've completely ignored the examples that I have stated above. How convenient.

As I have mentioned above, you take the word "abortion" and it has established a dangerous trend setting later on. Remember the Prom Queen story? She gave birth to a baby in the bathroom, strangled the baby to death and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then she went about back on the Prom dance floor acting like nothing happened. This is what abortion has taught her regarding the value of a baby, who happened to be born a human being by definition of the law. She saw the baby as an inconvenience and an embarrassment.

But she isn't the only one. Cops are finding dead babies in trash cans and in dumpsters and this isn't going to stop anytime soon. This is what abortion is teaching women about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

Abortion came about being legal in 1973 for purely selfish reasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now we're dealing with eugenics laws coming about in the Obama administration and we're being targeted as being exempted from the health care reform simply because we're causing too much money for the medical community to take care of us. We're being viewed as "worthless eaters" just as Hitler did before and after he came to power. They're blaming us for the woes of the economy and they want to "fix it" by getting rid of us who are deaf, blind, disabled and so on. They figure that the sooner they're rid of us, the economy will improve.

When one thing is created, such as abortion, other things follows, based on how humans view the value of life. It's like a domino effect. As long as this continues, the value of human life will continue to deteriorate.

 

[Jiro]

people! people! calmate!

pro-lifers view fetus (regardless of # weeks) as a life... a baby... pro-choicers view fetus as non-viable and viable depending on weeks. there's no right or wrong. Some people just simply choose to side with scientific & medical facts. Some on religion & moral. Neither side is more right than others.

let us "agree to disagree" but for now.... abortion is legal and that's too bad however - pro-lifers do need to stop drumming up fallacious statements and distortions to stir up emotion as part of their argument.

 

[sallylou]

You guys love the garbage can dumping stories so that you can punish some slutty teenager for having sex. Don't see ya'll out looking for the dude who impregnated her.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

And you've completely ignored the examples that I have stated above. How convenient.

As I have mentioned above, you take the word "abortion" and it has established a dangerous trend setting later on. Remember the Prom Queen story? She gave birth to a baby in the bathroom, strangled the baby to death and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then she went about back on the Prom dance floor acting like nothing happened. This is what abortion has taught her regarding the value of a baby, who happened to be born a human being by definition of the law. She saw the baby as an inconvenience and an embarrassment. This is what abortion has taught this woman about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

That stuff have been going on since the dawn of time. Pick up any discourse from any century, and I am sure you will find an incident similar to what you have described.

But she isn't the only one. Cops are finding dead babies in trash cans and in dumpsters and this isn't going to stop anytime soon. This is what abortion is teaching women about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

Infanticide and abandonment have been going on for ages all for the same reason. Not related to abortion.

Abortion came about being legal in 1973 for purely selfish reasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Subjective. The whole issue is a grey area. Like I said "where does fetal rights begin, and mothers' rights end?" No one can give a rock-solid answer for that.

Now we're dealing with eugenics laws coming about in the Obama administration and we're being targeted as being exempted from the health care reform simply because we're causing too much money for the medical community to take care of us. We're being viewed as "worthless eaters" just as Hitler did before and after he came to power. They're blaming us for the woes of the economy and they want to "fix it" by getting rid of us who are deaf, blind, disabled and so on. They figure that the sooner they're rid of us, the economy will improve.

Wrong answer for the wrong question.

When one thing is created, such as abortion, other things follows, based on how humans view the value of life. It's like a domino effect. As long as this continues, the value of human life will continue to deteriorate.

What domino effect?

 

[kokonut]

Presence of DNA does not equate to being a human. And presence of DNA does not equate to viable human being. I thought you said you were a scientist. Spit contains human DNA. It doesn't make spit a human.

Sighhhh......not even saying that. I see it it as having that unique DNA found in a developing human being, separate from the mother and father's (meaning baby has DNA from both parents). It's the same DNA that makes us unique from the day of conception til we die. We are that same human being at conception to point til we die. The only thing different is our stages of development.

 

[kokonut]

You guys love the garbage can dumping stories so that you can punish some slutty teenager for having sex. Don't see ya'll out looking for the dude who impregnated her.

Get the shotguns. Drag the guy to court. And get him to pay child support for the next 18 years. Tell him to own up like a man and face reality for once, and be accountable for his actions, too.

You have two guilty parties here. The slutty girl and obnoxious testosterone charged guy. Take two two tango. Two are responsible. And I'm not talking about rape either since the context is in the frame of a "slutty teenager."

 

[shel90]

Souggy, Sallylou and Jiro...

 

[Jiro]

And you've completely ignored the examples that I have stated above. How convenient.

As I have mentioned above, you take the word "abortion" and it has established a dangerous trend setting later on. Remember the Prom Queen story? She gave birth to a baby in the bathroom, strangled the baby to death and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then she went about back on the Prom dance floor acting like nothing happened. This is what abortion has taught her regarding the value of a baby, who happened to be born a human being by definition of the law. She saw the baby as an inconvenience and an embarrassment.

But she isn't the only one. Cops are finding dead babies in trash cans and in dumpsters and this isn't going to stop anytime soon. This is what abortion is teaching women about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

Abortion came about being legal in 1973 for purely selfish reasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now we're dealing with eugenics laws coming about in the Obama administration and we're being targeted as being exempted from the health care reform simply because we're causing too much money for the medical community to take care of us. We're being viewed as "worthless eaters" just as Hitler did before and after he came to power. They're blaming us for the woes of the economy and they want to "fix it" by getting rid of us who are deaf, blind, disabled and so on. They figure that the sooner they're rid of us, the economy will improve.

When one thing is created, such as abortion, other things follows, based on how humans view the value of life. It's like a domino effect. As long as this continues, the value of human life will continue to deteriorate.

1. there are no eugenic laws in America. it is ILLEGAL.
2. it makes a nice sad tragic story when attempting to correlate our insensitive depravity on abortion when in fact, it's fallacious and misleading
3. same as above - it makes a nice sad tragic story to blame the value of human life continuing to deteriorate on abortion when in fact, it is fallacious and misleading
4. there is NO federal funding on abortion
5. i repeat - there is NO eugenic laws in America. it is ILLEGAL.

 

[kokonut]

And you've completely ignored the examples that I have stated above. How convenient.

As I have mentioned above, you take the word "abortion" and it has established a dangerous trend setting later on. Remember the Prom Queen story? She gave birth to a baby in the bathroom, strangled the baby to death and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then she went about back on the Prom dance floor acting like nothing happened. This is what abortion has taught her regarding the value of a baby, who happened to be born a human being by definition of the law. She saw the baby as an inconvenience and an embarrassment.

But she isn't the only one. Cops are finding dead babies in trash cans and in dumpsters and this isn't going to stop anytime soon. This is what abortion is teaching women about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

Abortion came about being legal in 1973 for purely selfish reasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now we're dealing with eugenics laws coming about in the Obama administration and we're being targeted as being exempted from the health care reform simply because we're causing too much money for the medical community to take care of us. We're being viewed as "worthless eaters" just as Hitler did before and after he came to power. They're blaming us for the woes of the economy and they want to "fix it" by getting rid of us who are deaf, blind, disabled and so on. They figure that the sooner they're rid of us, the economy will improve.

When one thing is created, such as abortion, other things follows, based on how humans view the value of life. It's like a domino effect. As long as this continues, the value of human life will continue to deteriorate.

Kind of funny when speaking in terms of "eugenics":

Over 78 percent of that organization's abortion clinics are located inside or within close proximity to black neighborhoods. While blacks make up only 12 percent of the population, they account for 36 percent of this nation's abortions.

The abortion movement was designed primarily to kill black babies

Planned Parenthood was Caught with It's Pants Down Trying to Take Money to Perform Abortions on Black Women Only to "keep the Population Down"
Racism and Planned Parenthood - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

 

[shel90]

Kind of funny when speaking in terms of "eugenics":


The abortion movement was designed primarily to kill black babies

Planned Parenthood was Caught with It's Pants Down Trying to Take Money to Perform Abortions on Black Women Only to "keep the Population Down"
Racism and Planned Parenthood - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

These are based on opinions and if those two people were doing that to eradicate black people, then they were wrong but not all pro-choicers wish to eradicate the black community. I am pro-choice and married to a black man so if they are trying to push an agenda about pro-choicers and abortions, then they are misinformed.

 

[yizuman]

You guys love the garbage can dumping stories so that you can punish some slutty teenager for having sex. Don't see ya'll out looking for the dude who impregnated her.

I don't love the stories regarding babies being dumped in trash cans. I find it abhorrent and disgusting. I find it horrifying.

Both female and males have to bear responsibility for procreating a child. Irregardless of whether or not they are acting like sluts. That's beside the point.

From what I can interpret from your statement, it sounds to me that females are innocent victims and the males are evil perps. I don't see it that way.

It's the parent's job to teach children right and wrong and even if they did all the right thing, both female and male at the end will have to bear responsibility for their actions.

Yiz

 

[netrox]

Kind of funny when speaking in terms of "eugenics":

The abortion movement was designed primarily to kill black babies

Planned Parenthood was Caught with It's Pants Down Trying to Take Money to Perform Abortions on Black Women Only to "keep the Population Down"
Racism and Planned Parenthood - Associated Content - associatedcontent.com

Oh really? Do we allow abortion only for blacks or is abortion legal for ALL women?

Nice that you're trying to play a race card.

 

[yizuman]

1. there are no eugenic laws in America. it is ILLEGAL.
2. it makes a nice sad tragic story when attempting to correlate our insensitive depravity on abortion when in fact, it's fallacious and misleading
3. same as above - it makes a nice sad tragic story to blame the value of human life continue to deteriorate on abortion when in fact, it is fallacious and misleading
4. there is NO federal funding on abortion
5. i repeat - there is NO eugenic laws in America. it is ILLEGAL.

Oh? Then would you care to explain to me why the Federal statute requires that Medicaid pay for abortions that are performed on poor women in cases of rape or incest or a threat to the mother's life?

Arkansas Governor Blocks Medicare Payment for an Abortion in Incest Case - The New York Times

Is this news report nonfactual?

Yiz

 

[yizuman]

Oh really? Do we allow abortion only for blacks or is abortion legal for ALL women?

Nice that you're trying to play a race card.

I suggest you read Rev. Jesse Jackson's 1977 newsletter regarding abortion

Jesse Jackson on Abortion

Then he reversed his views on abortion

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/consistent/mccarthy_jackson.html

Mainly because he has joined full time with the democratic party, he became willing to abandon his religious views on abortion in favor of political power.

Here's more....

Between 1882 and 1968, 3,446 Blacks were lynched in the U.S. That number is surpassed in less than 3 days by abortion.

1,784 African-American children are killed each day by the heinous act of abortion.

3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child.

Since 1973 there has been over 13 million Black children killed and their precious mothers victimized by the U.S. abortion industry.

In his Letter from a Birmingham Jail, Martin Luther King said, "The early church brought an end to such things as INFANTICIDE." What would Martin Luther King say to the church today?
The Rev. Jesse Jackson once said:
"That is why the Constitution called us three-fifths human and then whites further dehumanized us by calling us '******s'. It was part of the dehumanizing process. The first step was to distort the image of us as human beings in order to justify that which they wanted to do and not even feel like they had done anything wrong. Those advocates of taking life prior to birth do not call it killing or murder, they call it abortion. They further never talk about aborting a baby because that would imply something human. Rather they talk about aborting the fetus. Fetus sounds less than human and therefore abortion can be justified".

Jackson's massive flip-flop on the abortion issue is further proof that his political future is far more important to him than are his principles.

With 1/3 of all abortions performed on Black women, the abortion industry has received over 4,000,000,000 (yes, billion) dollars from the Black community.

BlackGenocide.org | L.E.A.R.N. Northeast

Yiz

 

[jillio]

I do wonder why they are protesting across from high school?

Trying to indoctrinate our kids!!!

 

[netrox]

"3 out of 5 pregnant African-American women will abort their child."

Yeah, they all conspire to end their OWN race. *chuckle*