Pro-life advocate murdered in Michigan

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Jiro said:
people! people! calmate!

pro-lifers view fetus (regardless of # weeks) as a life... a baby... pro-choicers view fetus as non-viable and viable depending on weeks. there's no right or wrong. Some people just simply choose to side with scientific & medical facts. Some on religion & moral. Neither side is more right than others.

let us "agree to disagree" but for now.... abortion is legal and that's too bad however - pro-lifers do need to stop drumming up fallacious statements and distortions to stir up emotion as part of their argument.
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Exactly. They are entitled to their backwoods view. Just stop trying to force it down the throats of those that have progressed beyond it.
 
kokonut said:
Get the shotguns. Drag the guy to court. And get him to pay child support for the next 18 years. Tell him to own up like a man and face reality for once, and be accountable for his actions, too.

You have two guilty parties here. The slutty girl and obnoxious testosterone charged guy. Take two two tango. Two are responsible. And I'm not talking about rape either since the context is in the frame of a "slutty teenager."
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Personal experience?
 
yizuman said:
I suggest you read Rev. Jesse Jackson's 1977 newsletter regarding abortion

Jesse Jackson on Abortion

Then he reversed his views on abortion

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/nvp/consistent/mccarthy_jackson.html

Mainly because he has joined full time with the democratic party, he became willing to abandon his religious views on abortion in favor of political power.

Here's more....



BlackGenocide.org | L.E.A.R.N. Northeast

Yiz
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If abortion was legalized to extradicate the black population, then why are aboritionists allowing white women to terminate their pregnancies?
 
yizuman said:
And you've completely ignored the examples that I have stated above. How convenient.

As I have mentioned above, you take the word "abortion" and it has established a dangerous trend setting later on. Remember the Prom Queen story? She gave birth to a baby in the bathroom, strangled the baby to death and dumped the baby in the trash can. Then she went about back on the Prom dance floor acting like nothing happened. This is what abortion has taught her regarding the value of a baby, who happened to be born a human being by definition of the law. She saw the baby as an inconvenience and an embarrassment.

But she isn't the only one. Cops are finding dead babies in trash cans and in dumpsters and this isn't going to stop anytime soon. This is what abortion is teaching women about the value of human life. And it's gonna get worse.

Abortion came about being legal in 1973 for purely selfish reasons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now we're dealing with eugenics laws coming about in the Obama administration and we're being targeted as being exempted from the health care reform simply because we're causing too much money for the medical community to take care of us. We're being viewed as "worthless eaters" just as Hitler did before and after he came to power. They're blaming us for the woes of the economy and they want to "fix it" by getting rid of us who are deaf, blind, disabled and so on. They figure that the sooner they're rid of us, the economy will improve.

When one thing is created, such as abortion, other things follows, based on how humans view the value of life. It's like a domino effect. As long as this continues, the value of human life will continue to deteriorate.
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I haven't ignored anything. I simply find your arguments to be fallicious, unrelated, and rambling.
 
kokonut said:
Sighhhh......not even saying that. I see it it as having that unique DNA found in a developing human being, separate from the mother and father's (meaning baby has DNA from both parents). It's the same DNA that makes us unique from the day of conception til we die. We are that same human being at conception to point til we die. The only thing different is our stages of development.
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And stages of development determine whether that "unique being" is able to survive and sustain an independent life.
 
shel90 said:
If abortion was legalized to extradicate the black population, then why are aboritionists allowing white women to terminate their pregnancies?
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That is the most absurd comment so far! :laugh2:

The Supreme Court case that legalized abortion was brought to the courts by a white woman!:lol:
 
shel90 said:
If abortion was legalized to extradicate the black population, then why are aboritionists allowing white women to terminate their pregnancies?
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It's not just black women, it's a whole slew of other things....

Margaret Sanger

Founder of Planned Parenthood

In Her Own Words

From Here

Copyright © 2001 Diane S. Dew A Love I Could Not Deny, by Diane Dew



"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race

(Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)



On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:

Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.



On the right of married couples to bear children:

Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932



On the purpose of birth control:

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)



On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12



On the extermination of blacks:

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon



On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107



On marital sex:

"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23)



On the YMCA and YWCA:

"...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!"), The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.



On motherhood:

"I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)]



On mandatory sterilization of the poor:

One of Sanger's greatest influences, sexologist/eugenicist Dr. Havelock Ellis (with whom she had an affair, leading to her divorce from her first husband), urged mandatory sterilization of the poor as a prerequisite to receiving any public aid. The Problem of Race Regeneration, by Havelock Ellis, p. 65,



On eradicating 'bad stocks':

The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (of which Sanger was editor). Another article exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."
 
yizuman said:
It's not just black women, it's a whole slew of other things....

Margaret Sanger

Founder of Planned Parenthood

In Her Own Words

From Here

Copyright © 2001 Diane S. Dew A Love I Could Not Deny, by Diane Dew



"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."

Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race

(Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)



On blacks, immigrants and indigents:

"...human weeds,' 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings who never should have been born." Margaret Sanger, Pivot of Civilization, referring to immigrants and poor people

On sterilization & racial purification:

Sanger believed that, for the purpose of racial "purification," couples should be rewarded who chose sterilization. Birth Control in America, The Career of Margaret Sanger, by David Kennedy, p. 117, quoting a 1923 Sanger speech.



On the right of married couples to bear children:

Couples should be required to submit applications to have a child, she wrote in her "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review, April 1932



On the purpose of birth control:

The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)



On the rights of the handicapped and mentally ill, and racial minorities:

"More children from the fit, less from the unfit -- that is the chief aim of birth control." Birth Control Review, May 1919, p. 12



On the extermination of blacks:

"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon



On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:

In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feebleminded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 107



On marital sex:

"The marriage bed is the most degenerating influence in the social order," Sanger said. (p. 23)



On the YMCA and YWCA:

"...brothels of the Spirit and morgues of Freedom!"), The Woman Rebel - No Gods, No Masters, May 1914, Vol. 1, No. 3.



On motherhood:

"I cannot refrain from saying that women must come to recognize there is some function of womanhood other than being a child-bearing machine." What Every Girl Should Know, by Margaret Sanger (Max Maisel, Publisher, 1915) [Jesus said: "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep... for your children. For, behold, the days are coming, in which they shall say, Blessed (happy) are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the breasts which never gave suck." (Luke 23:24)]



On mandatory sterilization of the poor:

One of Sanger's greatest influences, sexologist/eugenicist Dr. Havelock Ellis (with whom she had an affair, leading to her divorce from her first husband), urged mandatory sterilization of the poor as a prerequisite to receiving any public aid. The Problem of Race Regeneration, by Havelock Ellis, p. 65,



On eradicating 'bad stocks':

The goal of eugenicists is "to prevent the multiplication of bad stocks," wrote Dr. Ernst Rudin in the April 1933 Birth Control Review (of which Sanger was editor). Another article exhorted Americans to "restrict the propagation of those physically, mentally and socially inadequate."
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Then this person was the one with the issues but that was in early 20th century and views were very different back then. Gosh, deaf people were called "Deaf and Dumb" and it was widely accepted.
 
yizuman said:
Oh? Then would you care to explain to me why the Federal statute requires that Medicaid pay for abortions that are performed on poor women in cases of rape or incest or a threat to the mother's life?

Arkansas Governor Blocks Medicare Payment for an Abortion in Incest Case - The New York Times

Is this news report nonfactual?

Yiz
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I'm outraged that a judge blocked a medicare payment for an abortion in the case of a woman who got pregant by her own stepfather. I'd not think a woman of any class or race would want to keep a baby under these cirstumces. It isn't eugenics since these cirstumces can affect anyone of any class or race.
 
The killing machine of human beings both born and unborn has been around since the beginning of time and will continue until everything ceases to exist.

This is all sad really. Every human being, both born and unborn should be treated with utmost respect.

Let me ask you this, how do you know that killing one child will not have an averse effect to the human race as a whole? What if we killed an unborn child that could have the potentiality of becoming a scientist who may discover the cure of AIDS and cancer? Or a whole host of diseases being eradicated from one simple person, yet smart enough to figure out how to take care of the problems that ails us as human beings?

I know it's a theoretical question, but I can't help but wonder.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
The killing machine of human beings both born and unborn has been around since the beginning of time and will continue until everything ceases to exist.

This is all sad really. Every human being, both born and unborn should be treated with utmost respect.

Let me ask you this, how do you know that killing one child will not have an averse effect to the human race as a whole? What if we killed an unborn child that could have the potentiality of becoming a scientist who may discover the cure of AIDS and cancer? Or a whole host of diseases being eradicated from one simple person, yet smart enough to figure out how to take care of the problems that ails us as human beings?

I know it's a theoretical question, but I can't help but wonder.

Yiz
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We'll never know. It's just as possible they could turn into a Ted Bundy. or Hilter.

BTW, scientists work as a team nowadays so it's not just a single person making brilliant discoveries.
 
deafskeptic said:
I'm outraged that a judge blocked a medicare payment for an abortion in the case of a woman who got pregant by her own stepfather. I'd not think a woman of any class or race would want to keep a baby under these cirstumces. It isn't eugenics since these cirstumces can affect anyone of any class or race.
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You and I both.
 
yizuman said:
The killing machine of human beings both born and unborn has been around since the beginning of time and will continue until everything ceases to exist.

This is all sad really. Every human being, both born and unborn should be treated with utmost respect.

Let me ask you this, how do you know that killing one child will not have an averse effect to the human race as a whole? What if we killed an unborn child that could have the potentiality of becoming a scientist who may discover the cure of AIDS and cancer? Or a whole host of diseases being eradicated from one simple person, yet smart enough to figure out how to take care of the problems that ails us as human beings?

I know it's a theoretical question, but I can't help but wonder.

Yiz
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And what if that child ends up being a mass murdering pedophile? You would favor killing them then, wouldn't you?
 
jillio said:
And what if that child ends up being a mass murdering pedophile? You would favor killing them then, wouldn't you?
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A child is innocent until he or she reached the age of accountability by law.

Yes we can't predict the outcome of what the child might be like. But the probability of a child becoming a mass murdering pedophile is like less than 1% in a population of 5 billion.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
A child is innocent until he or she reached the age of accountability by law.

Yes we can't predict the outcome of what the child might be like. But the probability of a child becoming a mass murdering pedophile is like less than 1% in a population of 5 billion.

Yiz
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And it is even less than that for them to become a genius that single handedly finds a cure for AIDS.

There again, you are being hypocritical in your stance. Kill 'em later, but don't kill 'em now.
 
deafskeptic said:
We'll never know. It's just as possible they could turn into a Ted Bundy. or Hilter.

BTW, scientists work as a team nowadays so it's not just a single person making brilliant discoveries.
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Try telling that to Bell who created the telephone.

Or Edison who created a light bulb.

They may or may not be scientists, but it's the potential of man who can discover or create ideas by themselves. Yes team work do work, but so can an individual.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Try telling that to Bell who created the telephone.

Or Edison who created a light bulb.

They may or may not be scientists, but it's the potential of man who can discover or create ideas by themselves. Yes team work do work, but so can an individual.

Yiz
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Were either one of them children of incest or rape? Or did their mother die carrying them to term?

You are rambling again.

You cannot possibly be saying that a girl whose father forced sexual intercourse on her and impregnated her should be forced to carry that pregnancy against her wishes. Or that a woman who has been violently raped should be forced to carry that pregnancy to term. Or that a woman that will loose her life by carrying a pregnancy to term, even if she has other children to care for, should be forced to do so.
 
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