Angry Parents Suing Calif. Schls. Over Mandatory Gay-Friendly Classes

C.C.Sinned said:
elaborate more on your theory as to why it should be tought at that age.

most of the children think the opposite sex are "icky and gross" until they are in the fifth grade, age 10-11, or sixth grade age 11-12. so why start at 6? why can't 6 year old kids, just be kids until they get a few years older?

if they are teaching about bullying, pedophiles and family systems, school systems shouldn't refer to it as sex education, a different name wouldn't freak out as many parents....

for family systems: keep it as simply as everyones family is different, some have male and female, some have female and female, some have male and male families, there are divorced families and families that are not married... sure fine. it doesn't bother me.
not bullying should be tought as well as safety against pedophiles. I'm fine with it.

I think some families should at least get the option, that if they do not want it tought to their child based on their beliefs, they are allowed that option. it should not be manditory or forced.
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Simply because there will be questions asked about friends or neighbors with families who do not fit into the Nuclear family format or that they'll want to know where they came from.

I would much rather have the children learn from someone who won't get upset when confronted with questions that may prove awkward. Just telling them them the stork brought then won't do. Oh yes, there are child molesters out there and children should be warned. I've always wished someone had told me there were people like that out there.

I used to wonder why the girl next door didn't have a Daddy living with her. No one except my mother would answer my questions and I didn't understand what my mother said.

Disscussion of sexual practices like BDSM is best saved for junior or high school. Best to keep it simple at that age. However, there is no escape from the media and your child may learn it from her/his friends' parents because they left the tv on and tuned to stuff like that.

A simple explanation is all that is needed. If I were confronted with something like that, I'd simply say some people like to hurt their girlfriend/boyfriend when they make love; this should not be confused with practices like what John Wayne Gacy did. I'd also say I don't really understand why they'd like that but everyone has different tastes. I'd also say putting them in the hosipitial is going too far and that if that happened it should be reported to the police.


My little sister was friends with the girl next door and her mother either wasn't married or never married for example. She could have been divorced as well. She was 6 or 7. But there is a need explain why not everyone lives like Mommy and Daddy.

My parents bought a book called "[ame="http://www.amazon.com/Where-Did-Come-Peter-Mayle/dp/0818402539"]Where Did I Come From?[/ame]" for my little sister and me. I was in the second grade. Both of my parents are conservatives. However, they didn't tell me about unmarried people or gays.

My dad is very strict and I didn't learn about gays till I was 14. I asked my dad what homosexuals are and he got very upset and said it's unnatural and that no man should marry another man. I learned more about them in high school from both classmates and sex ed.

I don't think sex ed should be called anything else. It involves sex and no matter what you call it, there are people who are going to be uncomfortable with the subject.

You can do your best to keep this info away from the kids but believe me they will learn about it one way or another.
 
Foxrac said:
Your post is true in matters, I live in area that's ultra conservative and most of them own American SUV and trucks, however in LA and Chicago, they are quite equal or more foreign cars in some cases. I believe that Michigan has most American cars due home of American car companies in Detroit metro, also their state is blue.
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My parents are conservative and they have a Volvo and a SUV which is a Japanese made SUV. There is no such thing as a car or truck that is 100% American made. I do not think they have owned an American made car since the early 70s. They used to have a BMW but they sold it earlier this year.

Before I moved out of the Far West End section of Richmond 15 years ago, I remember that Land Rovers were all the rage.

I drive a Ford.
 
Foxrac said:
Your post is true in matters, I live in area that's ultra conservative and most of them own American SUV and trucks, however in LA and Chicago, they are quite equal or more foreign cars in some cases. I believe that Michigan has most American cars due home of American car companies in Detroit metro, also their state is blue.
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Nothing wrong in owning a SUV. Heck, if I could afford one I'd buy a Hummer, all decked out. And then get myself a Harley.

In cities, more gas is wasted in a stop and go environment, and in traffic jams where you just sit there and burn gas. I'd say that people who live or work in cities by driving their automobiles, even if it's a fuel efficent one, waste more gas than those who drive out in the country or in areas of smaller population with much less traffic (or none at all).
 
deafskeptic said:
Simply because there will be questions asked about friends or neighbors with families who do not fit into the Nuclear family format or that they'll want to know where they came from.

I would much rather have the children learn from someone who won't get upset when confronted with questions that may prove awkward. Just telling them them the stork brought then won't do. Oh yes, there are child molesters out there and children should be warned. I've always wished someone had told me there were people like that out there.

I used to wonder why the girl next door didn't have a Daddy living with her. No one except my mother would answer my questions and I didn't understand what my mother said.

Disscussion of sexual practices like BDSM is best saved for junior or high school. Best to keep it simple at that age. However, there is no escape from the media and your child may learn it from her/his friends' parents because they left the tv on and tuned to stuff like that.

A simple explanation is all that is needed. If I were confronted with something like that, I'd simply say some people like to hurt their girlfriend/boyfriend when they make love; this should not be confused with practices like what John Wayne Gacy did. I'd also say I don't really understand why they'd like that but everyone has different tastes. I'd also say putting them in the hosipitial is going too far and that if that happened it should be reported to the police.


My little sister was friends with the girl next door and her mother either wasn't married or never married for example. She could have been divorced as well. She was 6 or 7. But there is a need explain why not everyone lives like Mommy and Daddy.

My parents bought a book called "Where Did I Come From?" for my little sister and me. I was in the second grade. Both of my parents are conservatives. However, they didn't tell me about unmarried people or gays.

My dad is very strict and I didn't learn about gays till I was 14. I asked my dad what homosexuals are and he got very upset and said it's unnatural and that no man should marry another man. I learned more about them in high school from both classmates and sex ed.

I don't think sex ed should be called anything else. It involves sex and no matter what you call it, there are people who are going to be uncomfortable with the subject.

You can do your best to keep this info away from the kids but believe me they will learn about it one way or another.
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mostly it comes down to parenting. Most of what you mentioned is easily tought at home. acceptace is very easy to teach a child if the parents are open minded.
the problem still come down to not every follows certain beliefs, some are rather ridged. still it is up to those parents raise their children the way they see fit, the child is their own. they should be able to do so as long as the child is not endangered. just because most of us don't agree with their choices doesn't mean we should force ours on them...

as for the bolded section of your post: i think detailed discussion of fetishes are inappropriate for junior high and in high school. like and scat is something that should becovered by the parents. watching 2 girls 1 cup in school would really screw kids up for life... :dizzy:
 
I don't see what's wrong with teaching tolerance. Not teaching children what to think but teaching them that you can disagree with someone and still get along.
 
CJB said:
I don't see what's wrong with teaching tolerance. Not teaching children what to think but teaching them that you can disagree with someone and still get along.
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Does that mean I gotta get along with arrogant, closed-minded wind bags?
 
saywhatkid said:
Does that mean I gotta get along with arrogant, closed-minded wind bags?
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Not necessarily, but can you pass them in the hallway and say hello without verbally or physically attacking them? That's the goal of teaching tolerance, is so people who disagree can at least coexist.
 
CJB said:
Not necessarily, but can you pass them in the hallway and say hello without verbally or physically attacking them? That's the goal of teaching tolerance, is so people who disagree can at least coexist.
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Got it. Sadly, most of the wind smells like flatulence.
 
I assumed it was to me mainly cause you quoted me in your post. But if it's to kokonut, now I understand.
 
saywhatkid said:
Good for you! Ever leave the pavement with your 4 wheel drive, all terrain vehicle? Most of them don't.
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I don't have 4-wheel drive but I've had to leave the pavement a few times to get to assignments, not for fun. :giggle:

p.s.
I bought my Jeep used, so it's "recycled."
 
Reba said:
I don't have 4-wheel drive but I've had to leave the pavement a few times to get to assignments, not for fun. :giggle:

p.s.
I bought my Jeep used, so it's "recycled."
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I've a "recycled" Ford. :D
 
kokonut said:
Nothing wrong in owning a SUV. Heck, if I could afford one I'd buy a Hummer, all decked out. And then get myself a Harley.

In cities, more gas is wasted in a stop and go environment, and in traffic jams where you just sit there and burn gas. I'd say that people who live or work in cities by driving their automobiles, even if it's a fuel efficent one, waste more gas than those who drive out in the country or in areas of smaller population with much less traffic (or none at all).
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kokonut, I don't against SUV or truck.

I love Jeep and many kind of American SUV.
 
wtf is this all these car talk??? :topic:

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*it's a pix of a cookie monster from Sesame Street angrily yelling - "WHAT THE HELL IS THIS CRAP?"
 
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