Angry Parents Suing Calif. Schls. Over Mandatory Gay-Friendly Classes

kokonut said:
It's the same oft repeated value message presented by others that they don't want their values shoved down their throats. Besides, I think this is part of a personal matter best left up to the decision of parents. Or at least give them the option to decide.

Nice slam, sallylou.
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It was a serious question. Thanks foxtra and ccsinned, for that answer. That makes sense.

Why do you care if someone else has a gay relationship? How does that affect you? These people are living their own lives as taxpaying citizens. You don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. Their mere existence is not a threat to you. I don't consider other people's sex life any of my business.
 
sallylou said:
It was a serious question. Thanks foxtra and ccsinned, for that answer. That makes sense.

Why do you care if someone else has a gay relationship? How does that affect you? These people are living their own lives as taxpaying citizens. You don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. Their mere existence is not a threat to you. I don't consider other people's sex life any of my business.
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That is what I cant wrap my head around. Why are people so threatened by how people live their lives behind closed doors? It just makes me disgusted.
 
sallylou said:
It was a serious question. Thanks foxtra and ccsinned, for that answer. That makes sense.

Why do you care if someone else has a gay relationship? How does that affect you? These people are living their own lives as taxpaying citizens. You don't have to associate with them if you don't want to. Their mere existence is not a threat to you. I don't consider other people's sex life any of my business.
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It's not any of my business, so I say out of it. the same way I want my school to stay out of my parenting...
 
I don't care what they do in their private lives. We each have our own set of values.
 
Some parents are very very against the GLBT community and teach their children to hate them. That is what I dont get. Why do they feel so threatened by what other people do behind closed doors? That is what I dont get.
 
If you don't want you child exposed to new ideas, maybe private school is what you need. Some parents send their children to parochial private schools when they want to control what the child learns.

I want more critical thinking in the public schools. Dangerous thinking! There's not much right now.

I sent my eldest child to private school for elementary school. Not a religious school--but a nonprofit school that taught science from first grade on. Lots of science, which my kid loved. He's excelling at high school science.

My other child is in a public elementary school that teaches science, but only because the PTA provides the money and parent volunteers assist with the labs. I wish that all public elementary schools had a real science program. Maybe other schools in other states have them. Budget cuts and standardized testing are hurting science education.
 
shel90 said:
Some parents are very very against the GLBT community and teach their children to hate them. That is what I dont get. Why do they feel so threatened by what other people do behind closed doors. That is what I dont get.
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I don't get it either. :confused: It's as if they think everyrone will turn gay.
 
sallylou said:
If you don't want you child exposed to new ideas, maybe private school is what you need. Some parents send their children to parochial private schools when they want to control what the child learns.
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private schools are expensive. most people can not afford them.


sallylou said:
I want more critical thinking in the public schools. Dangerous thinking! There's not much right now.
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agreed

school are all PC, watered down history, certin books not allowed in the library and lots of BS :sure:
 
shel90 said:
Some parents are very very against the GLBT community and teach their children to hate them. That is what I dont get. Why do they feel so threatened by what other people do behind closed doors? That is what I dont get.
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it usually has to do with religious beliefs...
 
Yea, CCsinned, it was expensive! We only had one kid at that time and managed to afford it. Hubby and I never spent much money. The fact that it was nonprofit helped.

Now, I live in an overpriced townhome in an affluent neighborhood to get in a good school. It sucks.

My eldest is going to a public IB charter school now. We were lucky to get him in. If my youngest gets in for middle school, we can move anywhere in the district. It'll be a couple of years until my younger child can apply.
 
It is critical thinking if students are *allowed* discuss the topic without fear of punishment (or reprisal to the teacher). This is how critical thinking occurs. And that is how they make their own formulations and thoughts independently. Like start a question like "Where and how did the laws of physics come about?" Or "Where is this software that makes life possible and for laws of physics to be tightly constrained?"
 
I oppose this kind of thing. Kindergardens?? How the heck are they gonna understand what being gay and lesbian is about? They're too young to understand that sort of thing.

I also oppose schools teaching things that only parents should be teaching, especially about sex. That's supposed to be the parent's job, not the schools.

Schools are trying to become parents to the kids instead of the parents themselves.

Same goes for religion and all else that is considered impersonal.

I don't hate gays, but I don't have to agree with their lifestyles. There's a big difference there. Same goes for religion and political beliefs. Preferably I rather let the kids become 18 to decide for themselves what they want to believe and not before that.

Yiz
 
yizuman said:
Schools are trying to become parents to the kids instead of the parents themselves.
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That's because a lot of parents refuse to discuss sex with their children.

I don't hate gays, but I don't have to agree with their lifestyles. There's a big difference there. Same goes for religion and political beliefs. Preferably I rather let the kids become 18 to decide for themselves what they want to believe and not before that.
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You cannot force a minor to believe in the same as you do. You can teach them, but it's entirely up to them on if they agree with it or not. Kids and teenagers will believe in what they wish to, not what their parents wish to.
 
Let me tell you what my mother taught me regarding sex education. She's a HS graduate of 1943. In her day, teenage pregnancy is rarely heard of. If any teenage female came to school pregnant, they're ridiculed and made fun of. Which sends a signal to other teenage females that being prego at a young age is uncool.

Since Congress passed a law requiring sex education as a curriculum in all schools in 1965, following the years to 1973, Roe V Wade made abortion legal to accommodate to the explosive rates of pregnancy between teens and young adults.

What does that picture tell you? Just follow the history and history will explain itself.

You cannot force a minor to believe in the same as you do. You can teach them, but it's entirely up to them on if they agree with it or not. Kids and teenagers will believe in what they wish to, not what their parents wish to.
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In that case, have Congress pass a law that parents are not allow to teach anything other than be a provider such as clothes, feeding them, sheltering them, provide them money and pay for their textbooks. Only schools is allowed to teach them, not the parents. If they step outta bounds, lock'em up for life. No parental rights, EVER!

Yiz
 
Banjo said:
You cannot force a minor to believe in the same as you do. You can teach them, but it's entirely up to them on if they agree with it or not. Kids and teenagers will believe in what they wish to, not what their parents wish to.
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Indeed.

I remember reading about Harriet Tubman, slavery and the Civil War (or as it's called in the South "The War") and thinking Lincoln was our greatest President. I was 8 or 9 years old at the time. When my parents took me to a Civil War site, we stopped at the store.

They told me I could buy either of the hats, Union or Confederate. I chose the Union one. When I looked at my mother, I saw that she was upset that I chose it. I said I didn't want the hat. She asked me if I wanted the other hat. I was thinking to myself, NO WAY. I'm not wearing the confederate hat. I said I wanted neither of the hats. So I left the store without souvenirs. It also was the only time my parents ever allowed me to get souvenirs at one of the historic sites they took me to when I was little.

I also remember telling my Dad I thought Lincoln was our greatest president. I thought it was a safe topic because he's a Republican. Uh no. We ended up in an argument much to my bewilderment. He didn't change my mind. Arguing is with him is a lot like arguing with Kokonut. I was 9 at the time.

Though I kept silent on some of my views, my parents were never able to force me to think the same as them.

Though I have never lived north of DC for more than 3 months and I've lived in the South all my live, I have always felt at odds with mainstream Southern politics.
 
Talk about hypocrites. :roll:

I'm actually starting to see why education in Europe is actually better than the education here in America.
 
yizuman said:
Let me tell you what my mother taught me regarding sex education. She's a HS graduate of 1943. In her day, teenage pregnancy is rarely heard of. If any teenage female came to school pregnant, they're ridiculed and made fun of. Which sends a signal to other teenage females that being prego at a young age is uncool.

Since Congress passed a law requiring sex education as a curriculum in all schools in 1965, following the years to 1973, Roe V Wade made abortion legal to accommodate to the explosive rates of pregnancy between teens and young adults.

What does that picture tell you? Just follow the history and history will explain itself.
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I was give boatloads of sex education at both home and school. I'm almost 26 today, I haven't knocked up anyone just yet. Why? Because of the sex education I received. I actually paid attention while many didn't. It's true about what they say, knowledge is power.

The reason why people get themselves into such a situation is because they either lack the knowledge or didn't pay attention in high school. Not because of sex education.

In that case, have Congress pass a law that parents are not allow to teach anything other than be a provider such as clothes, feeding them, sheltering them, provide them money and pay for their textbooks. Only schools is allowed to teach them, not the parents. If they step outta bounds, lock'em up for life. No parental rights, EVER!
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What I said was quite clear. You can teach them anything you wish to. But to expect them to share the same values, faith, opinions and such as yours, you're just being wishful and naive. Some will share the same, but most will differ either in a slight or big way. Some conservative parents' kids turn out to be hardcore liberals, it's the same for liberal parents, vice versa.

You made it quite clear that children cannot and shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves before they are eighteen. Well, here's a reality check, it's not going to happen. They will think for themselves whether you like it or not.

But it won't hurt to stick to your guns and teach them your moral values, principles of life and the lessons that come with it and hope they actually listened because then they may apply some of these to themselves. Not to mention that minors are to respect the elders as long they live under their roofs.

The best thing you can hope for is that they turn out to be good, law-abiding and productive citizens of the society in the future. I'm one of them, that's for sure.

I'm grateful for my parents and the life lessons they've handed down to me throughout my life so far. I have applied many of these to my life and it has brought a lot of happiness to myself and everybody around me. It's a shame not many are lucky enough to have such fortunes.
 
Yizuman, teen pregnancies happened in your mother's generation. The girls were promptly sent off to have the babies elsewhere. It was all hush hush. The girls were forced to give up their babies for adoption. Of course, none of this really mattered because girls weren't expected to go to college or have post-secondary education.

If shame and humiliation is your kind of birth control, then I question whether you have issues with women. The whole slut v Madonna thing. Women are humans, not something that you can separate into stereotypical groups. Who do you think is impregnating these girls? They can't get pregnant alone.

I agree that eliminating teen pregnancy is the goal. I didn't get pregnant because I had goals. I planned to pursue my education. Let's give the girls some inspiration and goals.
 
sallylou said:
Yizuman, teen pregnancies happened in your mother's generation. The girls were promptly sent off to have the babies elsewhere. It was all hush hush. The girls were forced to give up their babies for adoption. Of course, none of this really mattered because girls weren't expected to go to college or have post-secondary education.
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How true. My grandmother told me of such stories. It wasn't as uncommon as people were led to believe.
 
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