Iran’s former empress speaks out about unrest

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Jiro said:
sadly nope... problems are still not solved....

but I still live with comfort that they worked their damnest to make sure Iran is not a nuclear-ready country. Now it is almost there.....
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And our funding probably contributed to that.
 
jillio said:
And our funding probably contributed to that.
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Not that specific funding that Obama cut but yes there are other funding for... nefarious purpose? :dunno:
 
Jiro said:
Not that specific funding that Obama cut but yes there are other funding for... nefarious purpose? :dunno:
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Actually, the funding cut by Obama was the funding that was in the last administration's fiscal budget.
 

http://www.alldeaf.com/war-political-news/66568-pro-shah-iranians-call-regime-change.html

Buffalo said:
I was surprised to find out that she is alive and well. I remember reading about her back in 1979. She is 70 now.
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Jiro said:
oh wow! Farah Pahlavi! I remember seeing her pix on magazine quite a while ago. So she's still alive....
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Yes, I read the magazine about her time to time and know that she is well and alive. She live in Paris. I know she wrote a book about herself and her life with her husband. I will buy her book one day.
 
Jolie77 said:
Thanks for an interesting article. I have been following up on the Iran movement and with them wanting to revolutionize the theocracy to democracy. During this turmoil, we always have to watch and see what is going to happen next because in this feast; It will continue to be messy.

I just have a question that is based on my curiosity; Why do you think it would be nice to have the Shah regime back in Iran?
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Women in Iran: Before 1979 & After 1979

SERENDIP: Women in Iran: Before 1979 & After 1979

SERENDIP: Iranian women before 1979

Read from "Change of Command"

The Real Truth - Iran?The Untold Story — Desire for Change

Before Iran revolution, their lifestyle were westernized. See the pictures in the first and second links. The women can have career, Miss World, anything like what we have in EU countries and America.

The people opposed being Westernized and want to have an Islamic lifestyle back. They did successful to remove Shah regime. After 1979, they have horrible law named "Sharia"... women don´t have equal rights anymore.

It´s just my suggestion: It would be cool to see BIG change and more freedom like what they did before 1979 if Iranian people agrees to vote form of government for Shah´s son.

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But I am wondering why Farah did not talk about SAVAK? I guess I should buy her book to learn about her side?... :hmm:
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Son of last Shah looks to take leading role in Iran

Reza Pahlavi son of last Shah never gave up throne claim, wants leading Iran role - News - Bild.de

It would be cool if Iranian people protest to have reglious leaders remove in government system and then vote form of government... ???
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I have never ever ever heard of people "voting" to choose the government system. It is always a violent revolution that overthrows the previous government and then assumes the leadership position

here's voting paper -

Vote One
1. Democracy
2. Communism
3. Islamic Republic

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Jiro said:
I have never ever ever heard of people "voting" to choose the government system. It is always a violent revolution that overthrows the previous government and then assumes the leadership position

here's voting paper -

Vote One
1. Democracy
2. Communism
3. Islamic Republic

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Yes, it would seem that any government that allowed its people to choose its form of government by a vote would already be a very magnanimous government and not require changing.
 
Jiro said:
I have never ever ever heard of people "voting" to choose the government system. It is always a violent revolution that overthrows the previous government and then assumes the leadership position

here's voting paper -

Vote One
1. Democracy
2. Communism
3. Islamic Republic

:laugh2:
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Yes, they can.

The Assembly of Experts has the power to remove the Supreme Leader if the protestors demand Supreme Leader to be removed.

Like what I said in my view that the Protestors should demand Supreme leader to be removed, not Ahmadin or Mussavi.
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, they can.

The Assembly of Experts has the power to remove the Supreme Leader if the protestors demand Supreme Leader to be removed.

Like what I said in my view that the Protestors should demand Supreme leader to be removed, not Ahmadin or Mussavi.
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Do you really believe the Assembly of Experts would remove the Supreme Leader just because the protesters demand it?
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Yes, they can.

The Assembly of Experts has the power to remove the Supreme Leader if the protestors demand Supreme Leader to be removed.

Like what I said in my view that the Protestors should demand Supreme leader to be removed, not Ahmadin or Mussavi.
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that's not an answer to my question. I'm not talking about removing a person from the seat. I'm talking about CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. We all know that in many cases from thousands of years - a change in government system is usually done by a violent revolution. We did that for America. It happened to your country too..... several times.
 
Jiro said:
that's not an answer to my question. I'm not talking about removing a person from the seat. I'm talking about CHANGING THE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. We all know that in many cases from thousands of years - a change in government system is usually done by a violent revolution. We did that for America. It happened to your country too..... several times.
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How exactly does one change the government system without removing current leaders from their seat?
 
jillio said:
How exactly does one change the government system without removing current leaders from their seat?
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If we, Americans, remove a president from his seat, it wouldnt change the govt system, wouldnt it?

Seems like in order for the removal of a leader to work, it would have to be a Dictatorship or Communist government?
 
shel90 said:
If we, Americans, remove a president from his seat, it wouldnt change the govt system, wouldnt it?

No, it probably wouldn't. But our government has built in safe guards that allow for removal. Impeachment.

But it isn't that removing a leader changes the government....it is that a government can't be changed without removal of a leader. For instance, (and this is purely hypothetical), if we have a leader that leads from the perspective of democracy, and the American public wants to change the government to a Communist state, then they would have to remove the president ruling from a democracy perspective, and replace him/her with one who rules from a communist perspective.

Seems like in order for the removal of a leader to work, it would have to be a Dictatorship or Communist government?
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It would have to be a government that operates from a different perspective than the one the people are attempting to move toward.
 
But it isn't that removing a leader changes the government....it is that a government can't be changed without removal of a leader. For instance, (and this is purely hypothetical), if we have a leader that leads from the perspective of democracy, and the American public wants to change the government to a Communist state, then they would have to remove the president ruling from a democracy perspective, and replace him/her with one who rules from a communist perspective.

Now, that makes sense.
 
jillio said:
No, it probably wouldn't. But our government has built in safe guards that allow for removal. Impeachment.

But it isn't that removing a leader changes the government....it is that a government can't be changed without removal of a leader. For instance, (and this is purely hypothetical), if we have a leader that leads from the perspective of democracy, and the American public wants to change the government to a Communist state, then they would have to remove the president ruling from a democracy perspective, and replace him/her with one who rules from a communist perspective.

It would have to be a government that operates from a different perspective than the one the people are attempting to move toward.
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Hypothetically - yes government cannot change without removing the leader

Realistically - you need to remove leader and his circles - hence "the government." That's the safeguard that prevent from government system from changing with the loss of the leader.
 
jillio said:
How exactly does one change the government system without removing current leaders from their seat?
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you need to remove the GOVERNMENT, not just leader, in order to change the government system. It is always violent. That's why most of revolutionary leaders are military leaders. You need men and guns to do it.

Fidel Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Che Guevara, Adolf Hitler, and too many to list.
 
Jiro said:
you need to remove the GOVERNMENT, not just leader, in order to change the government system. It is always violent. That's why most of revolutionary leaders are military leaders. You need men and guns to do it.

Fidel Castro, Kim Il-Sung, Che Guevara, Adolf Hitler, and too many to list.
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And the leaders are a part of the government, duh.
 
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