Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran.

[jillio]

and do you have any idea how many of them were arrested and "disappeared"?

Why don't you tell me? And also, while you're at it, tell me why they were arrested and disappeared.

 

[jillio]

They are using a parliamentary democracy like Canada which also have a constitutional monarchy as they elect fifty members of parliament every four years. It is not like the U.S. democracy which use a federal constitutional republic system as their kind of government system.

Kuwait has a ruling family. That is why it is known as a constitutional monarchy.

 

[Jiro]

You used a newspaper article. Hardly anything more than opinion. And it in no way supports the fact that Kuwait is a democracy.

I try to follow you, Jiro, but you end up going in circles and making yourself dizzy.

oh? you want more? here -
Democracy widens in Kuwait
Kuwait's Democracy Faces Turbulence
Democracy in Kuwait
"Kuwait is, in many ways, the most democratic of the Arab states in the region."

And you have misquoted again. It's a horse not a cow. The quote is "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." Which is actually a pretty good quote to apply to the situation in Iran currently, if you have any understanding whatsoever of the metaphor.

I used cow for a very specific reason

Please, please, show me a reputable political treatise that lists Kuwait as a democracy. When you have done that, you will have supported your claim. Until then, the political treatises and historical documents all classify Kuwait as a constitutional monarchy. As does your newspaper article.

please read Royale's post. Label it in any way you want but it's still a form of democracy - free speech, human rights, and free election.

 

[Royale]

Kuwait has a ruling family. That is why it is known as a constitutional monarchy.

I know. The heir to the throne must be approved by the members of parliament. If not, then the royal family must submit three names to their parliament so the members can vote to select one.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Oh... so basically, you want to say "you suck!!!" and get paid for it??

already ready get paid for it!


*tells someone they suck and gets a dollar*

Honestly, do you think the probability of a rally changing things outweighs the dangerous aspect of it (angers Iranians, bad connections, violent eruptions, and so on)?

yeah they are already angry at us and have been for years. it will not change how they feel about us in someways, yet with different leaders the people may change


obama was all about change right?

 

[jillio]

the internal change can only occur when the variable is removed (the tyranny). You think MLK's ideal went thru change without violence?

Tyranny is a political concept. Cultural change is not. You are reversing the ocurrance of the two. Cultural change occurs first, thus precipitating the change in government to meet the changing cultural needs. As is evidenced by the difficulties in Iran currently, that cultural change has yet to occur sufficiently to precipitate the political change.

 

[Daredevel7]

obama was all about change right?

Exactly.... which do we usually do before?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

No it wasn't. And the vast majority of the violence came from the oppressors, not those demonstrating for peaceful change. March on Selma is a prime example.

and still they took a beating for freedom and rights

 

[Jiro]

Why don't you tell me? And also, while you're at it, tell me why they were arrested and disappeared.

check newspapers. You should know that in the history of tyranny - doctors, educated people, teachers, advocaters, university students, etc. are first to be arrested by oppressors. They're classified as "AGITATORS." Yes you've seen this in communist countries as well. I don't think I need to explain any further cuz by doing so, it will illustrates your ineptness in this issue.

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Exactly.... which do we usually do before?

bomb



funding is much less aggressive

 

[Daredevel7]

same question can be asked for MLK and look where it brought us to - a better place. 50 years later... Obama... a black man (well half) is now the President of United States

Quite a naive comparison, might as well throw the name Gandhi around here.

Everyone wants to be a hero. Sometimes you gotta stop and look at the big picture.. "Is this worth it? Does sending millions of dollars for protesters have a remote chance of changing anything? Will the good outweigh the bad? What are the risks if this fails?"

 

[Jiro]

Tyranny is a political concept. Cultural change is not. You are reversing the ocurrance of the two. Cultural change occurs first, thus precipitating the change in government to meet the changing cultural needs. As is evidenced by the difficulties in Iran currently, that cultural change has yet to occur sufficiently to precipitate the political change.

While what you said sounds great on paper.... unfortunately, the reality is different. culture adapted to whatever the government status there is. I can tell you that the culture is better off without tyranny. Some cultures need outside help in order to change. For ie - Somalia.

 

[jillio]

oh? you want more? here -
Democracy widens in Kuwait
Kuwait's Democracy Faces Turbulence
Democracy in Kuwait
"Kuwait is, in many ways, the most democratic of the Arab states in the region."

The most democratic state in a sea of autocracies does not make it a democracy.
First link...simply an introduction to an article that does not make the statement Kuwait is a democracy.

Second link...again with the newpaper and magazine articles.

Third link...states most democratic, not that it is a democracy.

Keep trying.

I used cow for a very specific reason

Then I suggest you watch yourself. Ad hominem attacks do absolutely nothing to support your credibility.

please read Royale's post. Label it in any way you want but it's still a form of democracy - free speech, human rights, and free election.

If it were a form of democracy, it would be called such. It is not a form of democracy.

Simply because two forms of governmental rule have similarities does not make them the same. A tangerine has similarities to an orange, but an orange is not a tangerine, nor is a tangerine an orange.

You really need to grasp the difference between an adjective as is being used in "democratic", and a noun, as in "democracy."

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Quite a naive comparison, might as well throw the name Gandhi around here.

Everyone wants to be a hero. Sometimes you gotta stop and look at the big picture.. "Is this worth it? Does sending millions of dollars for protesters have a remote chance of changing anything? Will the good outweigh the bad? What are the risks if this fails?"

and if you never try, you never know....




*writes the name gandhi on paper, crumples paper up and throws it against the wall *

 

[Jiro]

Quite a naive comparison, might as well throw the name Gandhi around here.

Everyone wants to be a hero. Sometimes you gotta stop and look at the big picture.. "Is this worth it? Does sending millions of dollars for protesters have a remote chance of changing anything? Will the good outweigh the bad? What are the risks if this fails?"

oh yes you bet your ass that it was worth it. Example - Fidel Castro. Che Guevara. Abraham Lincoln. Scottish people in Medieval Age against British. too many to list.

 

[jillio]

While what you said sounds great on paper.... unfortunately, the reality is different. culture adapted to whatever the government status there is. I can tell you that the culture is better off without tyranny. Some cultures need outside help in order to change. For ie - Somalia.

There is absolutely no way to tell you how wrong you are, and history, if you bother to study it, bears me out.

 

[Jiro]

ok jillio. it's ok.

 

[Jiro]

There is absolutely no way to tell you how wrong you are, and history, if you bother to study it, bears me out.

such as........?

 

[Daredevel7]

oh yes you bet your ass that it was worth it. Example - Fidel Castro. Che Guevara. Abraham Lincoln. Scottish people in Medieval Age against British. too many to list.

Uhh? They were funded by America...?

 

[C.C.Sinned]

Uhh? They were funded by America...?

the American revolution was aided by france