Obama Cuts Funding to Democracy Protesters In Iran.

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Jiro said:
not at all. we will continue to speak out and assist/educate those Iranians who want to learn more about democracy. We will speak loud against their tyranny and violent handling of peaceful protests/rally.
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We already do that. It doesn't require funding. Do you have any idea how many Iranians are Western educated?
 
Daredevel7 said:
Okay so....

For those who are all for american intervention for Iran. What exactly do you want us to do? Forcibly choose a leader for them? Force them to have a re-election? (what if he wins again?) Take over the election duties? What?
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Bingo.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
it has been happening. it is just a long winding road to freedom
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Exactly. It cannot be forced and it cannot be accomplished overnight. It is an internal change that takes a great deal of time to manifest.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
that is what the protesters are doing. their government is beating them down. support for the protesters is peaceful change
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There is absolutely nothing peaceful about what is ocurring in Iran. To support the violent protests supports the violence.
 
jillio said:
And a constitutional monarchy is not a democracy. If it were, it would be called a democracy. Nor is it an absolute monarchy. Hence the label of constitutional monarchy. If it were a democratic monarchy it would be labeled as such. Monarchy does not fit into the concept of democracy at all.
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oh boy......

jillio said:
What exactly does that have to do with political rule? We aren't talking about architecture. Stop confusing the two.
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didn't you follow what I just said? I did not relate it to political status. Unbeknownst to you - the architecture does serve as a powerful symbol that represents something. That's why they broke down the Berlin Wall. That's why they broke down Saddam statue. That's why Dubai & Chinese built skyscrapers.

Skyscrapers represent capitalism and freedom. Islamic Fundamentalists despise that. That's why Al Qaeda destroyed our WTC.

jillio said:
No, I didn't miss the majority of the artice. I read the whole thing. And it does not support your claim that Kuwait is a democracy.
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yes it did support my claim. Kuwait does have a form of democracy. Why is it mentioned NUMBER of times in that article I just provided?

jillio said:
Growing more democratic does not mean that they are a democratic government.

Exactly. And they have not gotten there yet. They are still a constitutional monarchy.
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Oh yes it's getting there! :cool2:

jillio said:
You have proven nothing of the kind.
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oh well. I can bring cow to water but I cannot make cow drink it :wave:
 
C.C.Sinned said:
he shouldn't have cut funding.

stand for freedom obama, stand for freedom
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Jiro said:
not at all. we will continue to speak out and assist/educate those Iranians who want to learn more about democracy. We will speak loud against their tyranny and violent handling of peaceful protests/rally.
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Oh... so basically, you want to say "you suck!!!" and get paid for it?

Honestly, do you think the probability of a rally changing things outweighs the dangerous aspect of it (angers Iranians, bad connections, violent eruptions, and so on)?
 
jillio said:
There is absolutely nothing peaceful about what is ocurring in Iran. To support the violent protests supports the violence.
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huh? it was a peaceful protest that were being violently taken down by Basijis and riot police.
 
jillio said:
Exactly. It cannot be forced and it cannot be accomplished overnight. It is an internal change that takes a great deal of time to manifest.
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the internal change can only occur when the variable is removed (the tyranny). You think MLK's ideal went thru change without violence?
 
jillio said:
Check on what? That Kuwait is not a democracy? I've already provided you a link.
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They are using a parliamentary democracy like Canada which also have a constitutional monarchy as they elect fifty members of parliament every four years. It is not like the U.S. democracy which use a federal constitutional republic system as their kind of government system.
 
jillio said:
We already do that. It doesn't require funding. Do you have any idea how many Iranians are Western educated?
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and do you have any idea how many of them were arrested and "disappeared"?
 
Hear Again said:
The Iraqis don't need our help to be liberated. If that's what they want, their people should fight for it themselves. It is not our place to dictate what a country's policies should be.
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So you prefer to see them being murdered by Saddam and his thugs if he were still alive?
 
jillio said:
There is absolutely nothing peaceful about what is ocurring in Iran. To support the violent protests supports the violence.
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look at the riots during our civil rights movement.... it wasn't all hugging going on...
 
Daredevel7 said:
Oh... so basically, you want to say "you suck!!!" and get paid for it?

Honestly, do you think the probability of a rally changing things outweighs the dangerous aspect of it (angers Iranians, bad connections, violent eruptions, and so on)?
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same question can be asked for MLK and look where it brought us to - a better place. 50 years later... Obama... a black man (well half) is now the President of United States :)
 
Jiro said:
oh boy......


didn't you follow what I just said? I did not relate it to political status. Unbeknownst to you - the architecture does serve as a powerful symbol that represents something. That's why they broke down the Berlin Wall. That's why they broke down Saddam statue. That's why Dubai & Chinese built skyscrapers.

Skyscrapers represent capitalism and freedom. Islamic Fundamentalists despise that. That's why Al Qaeda destroyed our WTC.


yes it did support my claim. Kuwait does have a form of democracy. Why is it mentioned NUMBER of times in that article I just provided?


Oh yes it's getting there! :cool2:


oh well. I can bring cow to water but I cannot make cow drink it :wave:
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You used a newspaper article. Hardly anything more than opinion. And it in no way supports the fact that Kuwait is a democracy.

I try to follow you, Jiro, but you end up going in circles and making yourself dizzy.

And you have misquoted again. It's a horse not a cow. The quote is "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink." Which is actually a pretty good quote to apply to the situation in Iran currently, if you have any understanding whatsoever of the metaphor.

Please, please, show me a reputable political treatise that lists Kuwait as a democracy. When you have done that, you will have supported your claim. Until then, the political treatises and historical documents all classify Kuwait as a constitutional monarchy. As does your newspaper article.
 
C.C.Sinned said:
look at the riots during our civil rights movement.... it wasn't all hugging going on...
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No it wasn't. And the vast majority of the violence came from the oppressors, not those demonstrating for peaceful change. March on Selma is a prime example.
 
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