Wary observers say Obama's speech could be a new beginning

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TheWriteAlex said:
Hardly. That is the same type of self-centered, ethnocentric thinking that has put our country in such a dangerous position to begin with. Humility is a powerful diplomatic tool. We learn in kindergarten to admit and learn from our mistakes, why should it be any different here? Nothing Obama said in his speech was untrue.



Did Obama directly criticize the troops? Did he say anything negative about them? Did you even watch/read the speech or are you just repeating what you've heard from the conservative pundits? :roll:. You're building a strawman here. Yes, it's really sad that 5,000 of our troops, who volunteered to fight with the knowledge that they could possibly be killed, have had to die. But is it not also sad that 100,000 innocent Iraqi civilians have died? You say this is a "war." Really? Tell me, who exactly are we fighting, and what are we fighting for? In a war, there is usually an objective to be attained, or something to defend. What is our objective here? What are we defending? What was it to begin with? Weapons of Mass destruction, right? Bringing democracy to the Mideast, Right? Making out country safer, right? On all counts: FAIL. This is not a war; it is an occupation, and it cannot be "won."



Because the actions of the past administration contribute greatly to the hostilities that the Muslim world feels toward our country. By criticizing Bush, he is distancing our country from the hostility created by bush and showing the Muslim world that America is ready to turn the page on foreign relations.

"Do I not destroying my enemies when I make them my friends?" - Abraham Lincoln.

In two hours, Obama has already made us safer as a nation than Bush did in 8 years in office.
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Reba said:
First, I don't agree with your assessment of the Bush administration.

Second, are you saying that it's impossible for Obama to do the right thing? Do you mean that just because you think Bush did things wrong that Obama can't be his own man and do the right thing?
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terrible? crime? then why isn't Bush being brought to trial by War Tribunal Court or investigated by Obama's Attorney General?
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Please get your facts right. The USA attacked a country that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11, that´s why the USA have poor reputation in the Muslim world.
 
Jiro said:
nice rhetorical post but what about Bill Clinton and Somalia? Because of his reckless military decision, thousands of Somalis civilians died, entire relief effort was severely undermined, and UN peacekeepers were put at grave risk.



The nation was already safe because of Bush and Obama is using most of Bush's achievements :cool2:
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Again, please get your facts right. 9/11 would have not happened if Bush LISTEN Clinton´s advice to focus on fight terrorism instead of focus on Iraq War before he took over his office.
 
flip said:
America is one of the most, if not most, violent countries in the history. Since the american invasion in Iraq in 2003, 1 million civilians have died. And now I am not including the other violent actions americans have been involved in, like nuking japan and putting vietnam on fire.

You have to undertand that a large part of the world have a good reason to fear usa because contact with the american goverment can cause mass killings. Taliban is a result of american politics to fight communism, and the american effort to create Hamas is another unknown story to many.

Obama is trying to sort out this mess, and the Islam world have good reasons to be careful beliving what Obama is saying. Usa have to show through action that they can do good things if they want friends in the muslim countries.

The economic weakening of dollar and massive selloff is another reason Obama is so friendly. America can't afford too many enemies anymore.

That's at least how the world looks like outside usa.
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Exactly
 
Liebling:-))) said:
Again, please get your facts right. 9/11 would have not happened if Bush LISTEN Clinton´s advice to focus on fight terrorism instead of focus on Iraq War before he took over his office.
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again - please get half of your other facts right. 9/11 would not have happened if Clinton didn't ignore security advisories and slashed defense budget for national security. again - 9/11 would not happened if Clinton exerted his executive decision to fix it.
 
Jiro said:
again - please get half of your other facts right. 9/11 would not have happened if Clinton didn't ignore and slashed defense budget for national security. again - 9/11 would not happened if Clinton exerted his executive decision to fix it.
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You may want to go further back in history to the George W. Bush administration.
 
Hear Again said:
You may want to go further back in history to the George W. Bush administration.
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Bill Clinton IS further back in history, remember? Point is - both parties are at fault.
 
Jiro said:
Bill Clinton IS further back in history, remember? Point is - both parties are at fault.
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Clinton wasn't President during the 80s.

George W. Bush was the one who put our national security at risk -- not Clinton.
 
I find it funny how conservatives always say both parties are at fault when they are to blame for something, but when a liberal is to blame, it's entirely their fault. :hmm:
 
Hear Again said:
I find it funny how conservatives always say both parties are at fault when they are to blame for something, but when a liberal is to blame, it's entirely their fault. :hmm:
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who? Didn't you just say in your post #89 in other thread -

Hear Again said:
Jiro isn't conservative.
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anyway - at least Bush did not blame on anybody else.... unlike Obama.
 
Hear Again said:
Who said I was making a direct reference to you?
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isn't it so obvious? :cool2:

again - at least Bush did not blame on anybody else.... unlike Obama.
 
Jiro said:
isn't it so obvious? :cool2:

again - at least Bush did not blame on anybody else.... unlike Obama.
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No. It is simply your interpretation -- and an incorrect one at that.

Again, I was not referring to you. I was speaking about conseravtives as a whole. Not everything is about you Jiro.
 
Hear Again said:
It doesn't matter. We still have another 3 years under Obama. :cool2:
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so why are you wasting your time blaming on others and past? I guess that's why we're not seeing much progress lately. Still in campaign mode...... wondering when will he ever stop talking, blaming, and apologizing... and actually start get working to fix the problems that he's been preaching about.

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Hear Again said:
No. It is simply your interpretation -- and an incorrect one at that.

Again, I was not making a direct reference to you. I was speaking about conseravtives as a whole. Not everything is about you Jiro.
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<looking around> there's only you and me in here :)

:laugh2: anyway.....
 
Jiro said:
so why are you wasting your time blaming on others and past? I guess that's why we're not seeing much progress lately. Still in campaign mode...... wondering when will he ever stop talking, blaming, and apologizing... and actually start get working to fix the problems that he's been preaching about.

:roll:
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I'm exercising my First Amendment rights under the Constitution. It's called Freedom of Speech. :cool2:
 
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