Oral school

Is it ok?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 29.7%

  • No

    Votes: 31 48.4%

  • Maybe or sometimes

    Votes: 14 21.9%
  • Total voters
    64
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faire_jour said:
The hours do not have to be related to deaf ed.
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But they do have to be related to Speech and Language Pathology. An SLP is a Speech and Language Pathologist. They are not TODs.
 
jillio said:
Then if you have a private therapist, your problem is already solved.

And if there had been that many complaints, the SLP would no longer be employed in that particular school.

The school offers services, you turn them down, and then complain because the school is not offering services. How much sense does that make?
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I have not turned down the services, other parents have.

They have literally no one to replace her. There are no other SLP's who sign.
 
jillio said:
But they do have to be related to Speech and Language Pathology. An SLP is a Speech and Language Pathologist. They are not TODs.
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I'll rephrase.

They have to be related to speech and language but they do not have to be related to aural rehab, or speech with children with a hearing loss at all. She could be taking hours about articulation.
 
Daredevel7 said:
:) I was waiting for these statements.

You often tell people that they "believe only what they want to believe". Unfortunately, the person who says this also "believes only what they want to believe" which is obviously the oral experience is always horrendous. Which shows up in the 2nd bolded statement.

Yes yes yes, I know what you're gonna say, you have research backing you up that the majority of orally raised deaf kids have shown to have social problems and so on. But sometimes, I think you think majority means all.
I am happy with my oral experience. Maybe Ill be happier if I was ASL raised instead. Frankly, I don't care. It's illogical to think like this.

Again, I am NOT promoting oralism. Unfortunately, like Lighthouse says, if I say "It doesn't work for most people", it sounds like I am saying "Most deaf people aren't smart enough for it." So this is one of those situations where I sound bad no matter what I say, unless I have a oral deaf "revelation" (realizing how much I missed out) and start talkin smack about oralism.

Leaving me with only one choice, keep my mouth shut.
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Daredevel7 - You certainly "hit the nail on the head" with this post. :)

Frankly, what does it matter if one promotes oralism, ASL or cueing. Is not one of the objectives of a message board to be provide opportunities for people to share their experiences. We each bring value here and one citing research does not mean that their experiences have greater value.

After all it is your life that you are living.
 
faire_jour said:
I have not turned down the services, other parents have.

They have literally no one to replace her. There are no other SLP's who sign.
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Well there you go. In a bi-bi atmosphere, it is important to have an SLP that signs. The school obviously sees the importance of this. And I'm sure that there are any number of SLPs out there who sign. To state that there are no other SLPs that sign is a bit more than misleading. Of course there are. But why would replacing one SLP who signs with another SLP who signs change anything? That simply does not make sense. "I don't approve of this SLP because she signs. So let's get the school to replace her with another SLP that signs." The school is holding true to the very philosphy on which they are founded, and are upholding their mission statement. If you disagree with the philosophy, it is imcumbant upon you to find a school that agrees with your philosophy. You have no legal or moral right to demand a school change their philosophy to suit you.
 
faire_jour said:
I'll rephrase.

They have to be related to speech and language but they do not have to be related to aural rehab, or speech with children with a hearing loss at all. She could be taking hours about articulation.
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So, it is not speech therapy that you want. It is aural rehab that you want. Aural rehab is your responsibility. You choose to have your child implanted knowing that aural rehab would be necessary for optimum gain. It is up to you to provide it.
 
loml said:
Daredevel7 - You certainly "hit the nail on the head" with this post. :)

Frankly, what does it matter if one promotes oralism, ASL or cueing. Is not one of the objectives of a message board to be provide opportunities for people to share their experiences. We each bring value here and one citing research does not mean that their experiences have greater value.

After all it is your life that you are living.
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Nor is a message board intended to be a place for blantant advertising by an employee of an association.
 
Daredevel7 said:
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Well, that certainly was uncalled for.
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No more so than the statement being responded to. And, it is also a true statement. If the purpose is for sharing of experience, then it is not for advertising or promotion of a method directly connected to the organization for which one works.
 
jillio said:
Well there you go. In a bi-bi atmosphere, it is important to have an SLP that signs. The school obviously sees the importance of this. And I'm sure that there are any number of SLPs out there who sign. To state that there are no other SLPs that sign is a bit more than misleading. Of course there are. But why would replacing one SLP who signs with another SLP who signs change anything. The school is holding true to the very philosphy on which they are founded, and are upholding their mission statement. If you disagree with the philosophy, it is imcumbant upon you to find a school that agrees with your philosophy. You have no legal or moral right to demand a school change their philosophy to suit you.
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The overall state school for the Deaf hired her and assigned her to our program. The director has no choice and has asked parents to file written complaints rather than continue to speak to her. She (the director) has expressed, as has the staff, lots of concerns.

But, from your view I am simply a complainer looking to start trouble, and you choose to disagree with me about everything, even though you know nothing about the situation. So, whatever.
 
faire_jour said:
I have not turned down the services, other parents have.

They have literally no one to replace her. There are no other SLP's who sign.
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faire_jour: In my location, finding a SLP who truly signs would be a rarity.

I am confused and I apologize in advance if my questions is one that you have answered on a previous occasion.

These are "pull out" sessions with your daughter at school for articulation?
 
loml said:
faire_jour: In my location, finding a SLP who truly signs would be a rarity.

I am confused and I apologize in advance if my questions is one that you have answered on a previous occasion.

These are "pull out" sessions with your daughter at school for articulation?
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They are supposed to be for listening, that is what is written in her IEP. But when I observe she is using visual phonics and other stuff...it is just a mess :roll:
 
faire_jour said:
The overall state school for the Deaf hired her and assigned her to our program. The director has no choice and has asked parents to file written complaints rather than continue to speak to her. She (the director) has expressed, as has the staff, lots of concerns.

But, from your view I am simply a complainer looking to start trouble, and you choose to disagree with me about everything, even though you know nothing about the situation. So, whatever.
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If they have lots of concerns regarding the quality of what is being provided through their program, then they have an ethical obligation to make her complaints and her concerns known to the state school for the deaf. And the director most certainly has control over who works in her program and what methodology they employ. That is why she has the title of director. The staff also has an ethical obligation to make their concerns known. Not just to the school system, but to the licensing agency that is responsible for licensing an SLP. Any complaint filed is investigated. Either there have been no official complaints filed, or the complaints that have been filed were investigated and found to have no basis.

I would not have my child enrolled in a school where the director did not go to bat for her students. I would not have my son enrolled in a school that employed less than qualified staff. If the problems were as severe as you want to portray them, my first course of action would be finding a high quality program for my child to attend, and then doing whatever was necessary for me to do to insure that he was enrolled there.
 
faire_jour said:
They are supposed to be for listening, that is what is written in her IEP. But when I observe she is using visual phonics and other stuff...it is just a mess :roll:
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You don't think that visual phonics is useful is assisting her in interpreting what she is hearing from her CI? One can't simply be trained to pay attention to the sound. They must also be trained to make sense of it, and to be able to use carry over. How would you go about accomplishing this for a child that uses visual means for comprehension?
 
jillio said:
If they have lots of concerns regarding the quality of what is being provided through their program, then they have an ethical obligation to make her complaints and her concerns known to the state school for the deaf. And the director most certainly has control over who works in her program and what methodology they employ. That is why she has the title of director. The staff also has an ethical obligation to make their concerns known. Not just to the school system, but to the licensing agency that is responsible for licensing an SLP. Any complaint filed is investigated. Either there have been no official complaints filed, or the complaints that have been filed were investigated and found to have no basis.

I would not have my child enrolled in a school where the director did not go to bat for her students. I would not have my son enrolled in a school that employed less than qualified staff. If the problems were as severe as you want to portray them, my first course of action would be finding a high quality program for my child to attend, and then doing whatever was necessary for me to do to insure that he was enrolled there.
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The education at the school is great. It is the adjunct services that are not (speech, audiology, etc)

The director has also, in our IEP meeting, advised us to move her placement.
 
faire_jour said:
They are supposed to be for listening, that is what is written in her IEP. But when I observe she is using visual phonics and other stuff...it is just a mess :roll:
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faire_jour - Where I am located the SLP's have a resource center. Have you inquired of the SLP to bring in resources/activities for "listening", from within your district?
 
faire_jour said:
The education at the school is great. It is the adjunct services that are not (speech, audiology, etc)

The director has also, in our IEP meeting, advised us to move her placement.
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Then, as I said, supplement what you believe is inadequate in the adjunct services offered in line with their philosophy. That is your responsibility.
 
jillio said:
You don't think that visual phonics is useful is assisting her in interpreting what she is hearing from her CI? One can't simply be trained to pay attention to the sound. They must also be trained to make sense of it, and to be able to use carry over. How would you go about accomplishing this for a child that uses visual means for comprehension?
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We are beyond that point. She is able to identify and comprehend spoken language. She should be working on that.
 
faire_jour said:
We are beyond that point. She is able to identify and comprehend spoken language. She should be working on that.
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If she is able to identify and comprehend spoken language, what is it exactly that you think she needs to be working on?
 
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