Obama represents family values

[BradB08]

I do not need to ask Hillary anything because I know before he won his 1st election. Hillary choose to stay married to him due political ground./quote]
So you know he was a liar and can't be trusted, that's all.


We were still many; just not enough.

1992
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 44,909,326 (43.0%)

George H.W. Bush
Popular Votes: 39,103,882 (37.4%)



1996
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 47,402,357 (49.2%)

Bob Dole
Popular Votes: 39,198,755 (40.7%)

Clinton still won by 6.2 more percentage points than he did in 1992 (49.2 vs 43.0).

What does that tell you? I know how you're going to spin it so don't even bother.

 

[Reba]

Clinton still won by 6.2 more percentage points than he did in 1992 (49.2 vs 43.0).

What does that tell you? I know how you're going to spin it so don't even bother.

What is there to spin?

If you're so omniscient, go ahead and tell me how I would spin those numbers.

 

[Foxrac]

We were still many; just not enough.

1992
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 44,909,326 (43.0%)

George H.W. Bush
Popular Votes: 39,103,882 (37.4%)



1996
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 47,402,357 (49.2%)

Bob Dole
Popular Votes: 39,198,755 (40.7%)

Bill's Sex scandal wasn't found out until after 2nd term?

Most Americans were unaware of Bill's situation until after 2nd term.

 

[Foxrac]

Yes I am aware of US constition to make sure that US president´s background to be clean. It´s not really what you think. Example of all is JFK - womanizer before and after his president time, Bush - DUI, etc. It´s not just Clinton.

Clinton is womanizer long years before he won at his 1st election. We debated about him in Clinton threads in the past. Have you read Reba´s post explaining with reason why she didn´t vote Clinton twice?

It was long time ago before he became president but Bill Clinton is different story because he did sex scandal during his presidency time, I'm talking about during presidency time but not past or before presidency.

Most Americans were unaware of Clinton's sex scandal until after 2nd term.

 

[netrox]

Another example of real family values promoted by Obama

"One of the most appealing things about Michelle Obama is her closeness to her mother. Some people might think it is strange or even pathological to bring your mother with you to the White House. Certainly, no one has done it since the Trumans, and no one at all seems to have done it as joyfully and naturally as the Obamas."

Parenting With Grandparents: The Michelle Obama Way

 

[Liebling:-)))]

again... who is going to believe? unknown woman or a powerful & well-connected politician? Do you think it's worth a trouble to fight against a powerful person when he can easily destroy your life? btw -

You insult women for assume that all women can´t say no to "powerful" politicans.

it's not just 1 woman. it's woman after woman after woman after woman for several years. I'm appalled.

Go back and re-read my post saying that Clinton is a womanizer and also saying "one of womEn". If you don´t know what the word "womanizer" or womEn mean then you can look up at dictonary.

I am asking you to quit to insult my intelligence.

Read again what Bush & Cheney admitted to. It was a very very very specific statement - but nothing to what you accused them of doing.

Oh yes, torture is torture, period.

At first they denied that they authorized torture until guards, CIA and former prisoners´s word against Bush & Cleeny... They finally ADMITTED at last...

in other word.... nobody especially the court didn't believed you. and he was fired on UNRELATED case to yours. but yes... karma's a bitch!

Not that the court don´t beleive me but accord the law, it´s their obliagtion to examine the witness´s statement repeatly several times... If their statement stay remain same which mean their statement is true... If one of witness´s statements are not same then I win at court and the witness pay penalty fine for lie to court. The law is for eyes who see with their own eyes, not doctor and work council who saw fresh scar on my arm. Law is Law.

Where have I say that he was caught and fired over my case? You twisted my post... His case has nothing do with my case because his case was 6 months LATER after I lost my case.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Just as you posted, you can review my previous posts with all that information in the other thread so we don't go too far off topic here.

I really have a little time to make posts because I goes to 3 days seminar since yesterday. Perhaps you can pull the threads to make further discussion to aviod :topic: here.

Yes, it makes lots of sense, as I fully explained to you in the other thread. If you still don't get it, that's regrettable.

Sorry, ADers and I disagreed with you at other threads. They should said something before 1st election, not after affair scandal with Moncia.

What does his first election have to do with determining if it was rape or sexual abuse? If a man uses physical force or threats of harm to get sex, it is sexual assault and/or rape. If a man tells a woman that her job security depends on sexual favors, that is sexual harrassment, which is illegal.

Sexual Harassment

Yes, I am aware of sex harassment. They would say something before Clinton win at 1st election like what the people did to all president candiaates... You know that the medias loves to focus positive and negative on all candiate´s background to help the voters with decision. Why they said for first time AFTER affair scandal with moncia??????????? It make no sense.

Clinton's trustworthiness is relevant to his presidency. If a man can't keep his word under oath for legal testimony, and he can't keep his word under his marriage vows, how can we know if he is keeping his word under the Presidential oath? How do we know when he was lying?

Bill Clinton was cheat to his wife, not Americans. It´s Hillary, Bill married to, not Americans. It´s between him and Hillary, not us. It´s up to Hillary for want to stay married to him or not, not us.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

yea the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" speech. he lied to his own wife and he lied under oath.... and yet Liebling is willing to overlook it just because "he took care of the people and America well."

that's why I'm still appalled..... *SMH*

Did you know what you are saying? This is a disrespectful. I am here to share my POV over Clinton. What I say about him is my own POV.

 

[Jiro]

You insult women for assume that all women can´t say no to "powerful" politicans.

huh? did I say ALL? I'm sorry but you will see in statistic that MANY rapes/sexual abuse are UNREPORTED. Tell me - do you think it's easy to report a rape against powerful/well-connected men?

Go back and re-read my post saying that Clinton is a womanizer and also saying "one of womEn". If you don´t know what the word "womanizer" or womEn mean then you can look up at dictonary.

I am asking you to quit to insult my intelligence.

Yes I know what "womanizer" means because I'm the womanizer too but I respect them. Slick Willy did not.

Oh yes, torture is torture, period.

At first they denied that they authorized torture until guards, CIA and former prisoners´s word against Bush & Cleeny... They finally ADMITTED at last...

ok that's fine. we'll just agree to disagree then. Just saying that NONE OF THE SOURCE supports your statement. But - we'll agree to disagree.

Not that the court don´t beleive me but accord the law, it´s their obliagtion to examine the witness´s statement repeatly several times... If their statement stay remain same which mean their statement is true... If one of witness´s statements are not same then I win at court and the witness pay penalty fine for lie to court. The law is for eyes who see with their own eyes, not doctor and work council who saw fresh scar on my arm. Law is Law.

Where have I say that he was caught and fired over my case? You twisted my post... His case has nothing do with my case because his case was 6 months LATER after I lost my case.

No I did not twist your word. I simply pointed out that you filed the complaint against your employer and you did not win the the case. Now think about the women who accused powerful men of rape. It's not that simple. That's why many women do not file the rape but it's not uncommon of them to report rape several years later when there's investigation or news about it.

**notice that this post # is 69 LOL!!!!

 

[Jiro]

Did you know what you are saying? This is a disrespectful. I am here to share my POV over Clinton. What I say about him is my own POV.

that's what I'm talking about. You knew he's a womanizer and yet - you did not care about it. If I knew about it, there's NO WAY in hell would I vote for him.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

that's what I'm talking about. You knew he's a womanizer and yet - you did not care about it. If I knew about it, there's NO WAY in hell would I vote for him.

Because what and how Clinton did is none of my business. It´s Hillary´s business because she is Bill´s wife.

 

[Jiro]

I really have a little time to make posts because I goes to 3 days seminar since yesterday. Perhaps you can pull the threads to make further discussion to aviod :topic: here.

Sorry, ADers and I disagreed with you at other threads. They should said something before 1st election, not after affair scandal with Moncia.

Yes, I am aware of sex harassment. They would say something before Clinton win at 1st election like what the people did to all president candiaates... You know that the medias loves to focus positive and negative on all candiate´s background to help the voters with decision. Why they said for first time AFTER affair scandal with moncia??????????? It make no sense.

Bill Clinton was cheat to his wife, not Americans. It´s Hillary, Bill married to, not Americans. It´s between him and Hillary, not us. It´s up to Hillary for want to stay married to him or not, not us.

why do you keep forgetting that a man like Bill Clinton can easily destroy them? do you think it's easy to get a job if you report a rape against Bill Clinton? Do you think it's easy for women to report the rape and to deal with public scrutiny for months/years? They want to put it behind them and move on with their life. It's embarrassing and it's traumatizing. :roll:

 

[Jiro]

Because what and how Clinton did is none of my business. It´s Hillary´s business because she is Bill´s wife.

I'm sorry but in American politic - what the politician does in his private life is also public's business. That's the price of being public servant. That's why we know everything about the President's health and his family.

 

[BradB08]

I'm sorry but in American politic - what the politician does in his private life is also public's business. That's the price of being public servant. That's why we know everything about the President's health and his family.

Actually, I could care less what he did behind the scenes. I'm not one of those Americans that worships the cult of celebrity. My life isn't worthless enough to the point where I need to concern myself with what public officials do behind the scenes.

I mean, I don't care what my boss does behind the scenes. Why should I care what the President does?

 

[Jiro]

Actually, I could care less what he did behind the scenes. I'm not one of those Americans that worships the cult of celebrity. My life isn't worthless enough to the point where I need to concern myself with what public officials do behind the scenes.

I mean, I don't care what my boss does behind the scenes. Why should I care what the President does?

I don't care about what my boss does either but your boss and my boss are not in position to create legislation/policy for us and America.... they are. So is Bill Clinton. Hypocrisy is not well-received in public matter.

 

[Frisky Feline]

ha ha jiro. sometimes i think people who did something in their private lives that is possibilties to lead to their public like their jobs. Like he lied to his wife and he lied to his boss too in different ways.

 

[Reba]

I really have a little time to make posts because I goes to 3 days seminar since yesterday. Perhaps you can pull the threads to make further discussion to aviod :topic: here.

I don't see any point in doing that.

Sorry, ADers and I disagreed with you at other threads. They should said something before 1st election, not after affair scandal with Moncia.

Just because you and "ADers" disagree with me doesn't mean that you were right. There is no equation there.

You have no right to tell victims of sexual harassment what they should or shouldn't do. That's heartless.

Yes, I am aware of sex harassment. They would say something before Clinton win at 1st election like what the people did to all president candiaates... You know that the medias loves to focus positive and negative on all candiate´s background to help the voters with decision. Why they said for first time AFTER affair scandal with moncia??????????? It make no sense.

Did it ever occur to you that the women might be too afraid or embarrassed until some time had passed? Have you no feeling for them?

Bill Clinton was cheat to his wife, not Americans. It´s Hillary, Bill married to, not Americans. It´s between him and Hillary, not us. It´s up to Hillary for want to stay married to him or not, not us.

Did you not read my statement? It's a matter of trust. If we can't trust Clinton when he is under oath, how can we trust him at all? If he lied to the court and to his wife, how do we know he isn't lying to the American people?

 

[ASLGAL]

I haven't seen enough of Obama yet to say if he presents or represents family values.


On the off topic discussion:
Bill , with the help of Hillary, did everything in their power to dissuade, intimidate, threaten, and so on any female who ever stood up against Bills inappropriate actions toward females.

His public attitude and the nations attitude is one of the reasons there are so many young girls and boys with diseases that keep on giving. He made a public proclamation that "It isn't really sex if it isn't completed intercourse" as a defense. That attitude has been repeated and accepted by many.

 

[Foxrac]

Liebling, would you don't care if German president or chancellor are convicted for sex scandal or lie under oath?

 

[Byrdie714]

I haven't seen enough of Obama yet to say if he presents or represents family values.

He has clearly demonstrated his family values by inviting his mother-on-law to move in with the family in the White House.

Question for you: would you even allow your mother-in-law to live with you? Even if you don't like her. It just shows that this particular family is a nuclear family and not an extended family.

Nuclear families were the norm 50 years ago whereas today--everyone is an extended family as families are more spread out.