Obama represents family values

[Liebling:-)))]

do you think some piddly, insignificant, unimportant, young woman can say "no" to the President of the United States? such a naivete you are...

Are you saying that ALL women do that?

I'm quite appalled at the way of your thinking..... thanks God you're not American voter......

American voters decided for him twice, not me.

Clinton´s affair with women before and after election is between him and his wife. It´s his wife´s business for want to divorce him or stay married to him, not us.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You both are going to get banned again if you don't keep it under control.

Heh.

Jiro is just filling the void that Jillio left when she was banned by arguing with Liebling.

I am not sure either I understand you correct or not.

No, Jillio was not banned because of me. Jillio and I shared the same view mostly. She support me.

Please correct me if I misread your post.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Many Americans, including me, didn't vote for Clinton either time. He was a liar who couldn't be trusted. Just ask Hillary.

I do not need to ask Hillary anything because I know before he won his 1st election. Hillary choose to stay married to him due political ground.

You said "Many Americans" but Clinton still won at Election twice.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You think sexual abuse and rape are funny???

Please re-consider my response post toward Jiro more carefully instead of tried to twist my question toward Jiro.

 

[Reba]

I do not need to ask Hillary anything because I know before he won his 1st election. Hillary choose to stay married to him due political ground./quote]
So you know he was a liar and can't be trusted, that's all.

You said "Many Americans" but Clinton still won at Election twice.

We were still many; just not enough.

1992
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 44,909,326 (43.0%)

George H.W. Bush
Popular Votes: 39,103,882 (37.4%)



1996
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 47,402,357 (49.2%)

Bob Dole
Popular Votes: 39,198,755 (40.7%)

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, according to US constitution, US president is supposed to be clean and be civil when come in oval office and oval office has been represent to Americans and president is supposed to respect us, sex scandal in oval office is strictly unacceptable and should to be resign or impeachment.

Bill Clinton does lie to us and cheat on his wife due sex with Monica.

I don't have any respect for Bill Clinton anymore and I don't care if he is doing good job during his presidency but sex scandal has done to damage his reputation.

Yes I am aware of US constition to make sure that US president´s background to be clean. It´s not really what you think. Example of all is JFK - womanizer before and after his president time, Bush - DUI, etc. It´s not just Clinton.

Clinton is womanizer long years before he won at his 1st election. We debated about him in Clinton threads in the past. Have you read Reba´s post explaining with reason why she didn´t vote Clinton twice?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

sexual abuse and rape

Are you accuse Clinton as sexual abuse and rape without proof?



We debated about him in Clinton threads. I am sure that I DID told you that I doubt one of women´s claim about him because she claimed for a first time after 30 years during his affair scandal with Monica. Why wait for 30 years? It make no sense.

It´s no sexual abuse and rape if women accept to have sex with him before his 1st election.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

So you know he was a liar and can't be trusted, that's all.

I´m glad that Clinton is not my husband. It´s Hillary´s choice to stay married to him when she know he cheated her. It´s her problem, not mine.

We were still many; just not enough.

1992
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 44,909,326 (43.0%)

George H.W. Bush
Popular Votes: 39,103,882 (37.4%)



1996
Bill Clinton
Popular Votes: 47,402,357 (49.2%)

Bob Dole
Popular Votes: 39,198,755 (40.7%)

for post the list of % voters but it is still many who decided for Clinton twice.

 

[Jiro]

Are you accuse Clinton as sexual abuse and rape without proof?

it's odd... you don't believe Clinton is a sexual predator/rapist because of no proof even though it's very obvious but you believe Bush is a torturer when there is no proof.

We debated about him in Clinton threads. I am sure that I DID told you that I doubt one of women´s claim about him because she claimed for a first time after 30 years during his affair scandal with Monica. Why wait for 30 years? It make no sense.

It´s no sexual abuse and rape if women accept to have sex with him before his 1st election.

because Bill Clinton has a powerful political connection. Who's going to believe? unknown woman or a well-connected politician? Remember when you were hurt by your employer at your work? You filed the complaint against him and nobody believed you. same thing.

:roll:

 

[Jiro]

for post the list of % voters but it is still many who decided for Clinton twice.

just because he won DOES NOT MEAN we knew about his background and we voted for him anyway.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

it's odd... you don't believe Clinton is a sexual predator/rapist because of no proof even though it's very obvious but you believe Bush is a torturer when there is no proof.

Search Clinton threads yourself where ADers including Reba & I debated over those subject. There´re plenty of links around Clinton threads. Do you beleive that a woman claimed that Clinton raped her 30 YEARS later soon after Clinton´s affair scandal with Monica? Many women jumped and claim something against Clinton soon AFTER Moncia´s affair scandal... Why can´t they say before Clinton´s 1st election then? Do you expect me beleive this? Aders and I don´t buy their stories. They should say this before Clinton´s 1st election, not after his affair scandal with Monica. :roll:

Bush and Cleeny admitted themselves to the Media that they authorized torture.

because Bill Clinton has a powerful political connection. Who's going to believe? unknown woman or a well-connected politician? Remember when you were hurt by your employer at your work? You filed the complaint and nobody believed you. same thing.

:roll:

No, you got it wrongly.

The paper, I want to forward chain of command to prove how bad my former boss was. I was doing to support the law, he violated. Unfortunlately he attacked me to get paper away from my hand.

My former boss bought witness to confirm his statement against my statement. Many co-workers, Commander and work council gave me loving support and beleive me. I never forget them and loyal to them for beleive me. The Commander said to me that he will fired my former boss if I won at court. Unfortunlately I lost my case at court thru the confirmation of my former boss´s false witness. I can´t stay to work for him so they transfered me to other Division. That´s same Division since 1991, I still work for the boss who don´t play favoristim.

6 months later after I lost my case at court, he was being caught and fired for fiddle with money. KARMA...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

just because he won DOES NOT MEAN we knew about his background and we voted for him anyway.

Many Americans like me, who don´t care about his private background but mainly important that he doing his duty to take care of the people and America...

 

[Jiro]

Search Clinton threads yourself where ADers including Reba & I debated over those subject. There´re plenty of links around Clinton threads. Do you beleive that a woman claimed that Clinton raped her 30 YEARS later soon after Clinton´s affair scandal with Monica? Many women jumped and claim something against Clinton soon AFTER Moncia´s affair scandal... Why can´t they say before Clinton´s 1st election then? Do you expect me beleive this? Aders and I don´t buy their stories. They should say this before Clinton´s 1st election, not after his affair scandal with Monica. :roll:

again... who is going to believe? unknown woman or a powerful & well-connected politician? Do you think it's worth a trouble to fight against a powerful person when he can easily destroy your life? btw - it's not just 1 woman. it's woman after woman after woman after woman for several years. I'm appalled.

Bush and Cleeny admitted themselves to the Media that they authorized torture.

Read again what Bush & Cheney admitted to. It was a very very very specific statement - but nothing to what you accused them of doing.

No, you got it wrongly.

The paper, I want to forward chain of command to prove how bad my former boss was. I was doing to support the law, he violated. Unfortunlately he attacked me to get paper away from my hand.

My former boss bought witness to confirm his statement against my statement. Many co-workers, Commander and work council gave me loving support and beleive me. I never forget them and loyal to them for beleive me. The Commander said to me that he will fired my former boss if I won at court. Unfortunlately I lost my case at court thru the confirmation of my former boss´s false witness. I can´t stay to work for him so they transfered me to other Division. That´s same Division since 1991, I still work for the boss who don´t play favoristim.

6 months later after I lost my case at court, he was being caught and fired for fiddle with money. KARMA...

in other word.... nobody especially the court didn't believed you. and he was fired on UNRELATED case to yours. but yes... karma's a bitch!

 

[Jiro]

Many Americans like me, who don´t care about his private background but mainly important that he doing his duty to take care of the people and America...

and that's why because of their ignorance.... it led to this mess..... did you know Clinton deregulated many corporation laws? What do you think why we have dot-com/real estate/mortgage bubble burst?

 

[netrox]

Cut with the presidential power.. Monica wanted to sleep with him. That was her goal. Not once did she accused him of rape.

 

[Jiro]

Cut with the presidential power.. Monica wanted to sleep with him. That was her goal. Not once did she accused him of rape.

exactly - who can say "no" to POTUS? it can be one of two things - a "coerced" sex or a fast-track to your dream career.

 

[Reba]

Are you accuse Clinton as sexual abuse and rape without proof?

Just as you posted, you can review my previous posts with all that information in the other thread so we don't go too far off topic here.

We debated about him in Clinton threads. I am sure that I DID told you that I doubt one of women´s claim about him because she claimed for a first time after 30 years during his affair scandal with Monica. Why wait for 30 years? It make no sense.

Yes, it makes lots of sense, as I fully explained to you in the other thread. If you still don't get it, that's regrettable.

It´s no sexual abuse and rape if women accept to have sex with him before his 1st election.

What does his first election have to do with determining if it was rape or sexual abuse? If a man uses physical force or threats of harm to get sex, it is sexual assault and/or rape. If a man tells a woman that her job security depends on sexual favors, that is sexual harrassment, which is illegal.

Sexual Harassment

Clinton's trustworthiness is relevant to his presidency. If a man can't keep his word under oath for legal testimony, and he can't keep his word under his marriage vows, how can we know if he is keeping his word under the Presidential oath? How do we know when he was lying?

 

[Reba]

Cut with the presidential power.. Monica wanted to sleep with him. That was her goal. Not once did she accused him of rape.

She didn't but other women did.

 

[Jiro]

Clinton's trustworthiness is relevant to his presidency. If a man can't keep his word under oath for legal testimony, and he can't keep his word under his marriage vows, how can we know if he is keeping his word under the Presidential oath? How do we know when he was lying?

yea the "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" speech. he lied to his own wife and he lied under oath.... and yet Liebling is willing to overlook it just because "he took care of the people and America well."

that's why I'm still appalled..... *SMH*

 

[diehardbiker]

Exactly!

When Identity thieves surfaced, the first real victim happen to be female, and kindergarten teaher. She warned Clinton, but Clinton ignored her, and she fought for years, now we have major mess with identity thieves, and most of the time, these crooks actually got away! Finally when Bush came in, realize the real mess, he finally signed into law that it is now considered crime to do identity thieves, why can't this be done 8 years earlier?

There are too many to list that Clinton failed to act up to protect Americans! This includes antipicated terror attack. He KNEW IT, and ignored the warning! That is because he was too busy with two things.... golf and women.

and that's why because of their ignorance.... it led to this mess..... did you know Clinton deregulated many corporation laws? What do you think why we have dot-com/real estate/mortgage bubble burst?