Is society more tolerant with teenage boys than teenage girls??

[naisho]

Here's a few straight off the top of my head:

Stay at home mother vs Stay at home father
Single mother vs Single Father
Female President vs Male president
Female posing in ads vs Male posing in ads

Stereotypical gender forms:
Female drivers vs Male drivers
Female housekeepers vs Male lawn services

 

[jillio]

Here's a few more:

Female elementary school teachers vs. male elementary school teachers
Male mathematicians ability vs. female mathematicians
Male scientists vs. female scientists

 

[Babyblue]

Well I just finished my first year, my major is psychology. So far I have learned a lot about how gender is a social construct, gender polarization, roles, norms, and the so called "differences between men and women." I also learned about cultures where there is more than 1 gender, people who do not identify with any gender or have their own gender, transsexualism, transgenderism, gender variance, the Male Standard, Feminism, etc.

Basically, I think for men and women to be treated equally (on a social/cultural and legal level) gender roles and expectations need to go away. It has to be okay for a straight male to cry and wear lipstick and not be called a fag, and the same goes for women (though, gender roles are typically more relaxed for women).

You should read Female Chauvinist Pigs by Ariel Levy, its really good.

Anyways!

True!

My daughter is in Jr high. She came home crying one day because she was being picked on by her schoolmates. They kept calling her a boy. She is a major tomboy and loves sports and is not like other girls. She has never been into the "girly" items.


I told her to just be herself and to ignore the others. She is a beautiful athletic gal. She loves her softball.

Kids even went as far as calling her softball team. "dikes in spikes". :roll:

 

[Daredevel7]

I took a Society and Gender class once. And we had to do a project that highlights difference in gender roles. My partner and I decided to show the differences in merit badges in girl and boy scouts. It was so BLATANTLY obvious:

Boy: Auto Maintenance, Home Repairs, Pioneering, Mammal Study, Personal Management, Horsemanship, Sailing.
Girl: Car Sense, Home Improvement, Outdoor Survival, Pets/Wildlife, Dollars and Sense, Horse Sense, Smooth Sailing.

Generally, there's either a lot of "silly" names or a "lesser" version for the badges in Girl Scouts. And there's a lot more family-oriented badges for girls such as Child Care.

GS Central: Insignia List: Organized by Category

Merit Badge List

(Interesting note: When I looked through the list, Boy Scouts have a merit badge for Disability Awareness and Engineering (since that's my job). Girls do not.)

 

[SFShawn13]

True!

My daughter is in Jr high. She came home crying one day because she was being picked on by her schoolmates. They kept calling her a boy. She is a major tomboy and loves sports and is not like other girls. She has never been into the "girly" items.


I told her to just be herself and to ignore the others. She is a beautiful athletic gal. She loves her softball.

Kids even went as far as calling her softball team. "dikes in spikes". :roll:

Kids can be so vicious. By age 2 they are noticing gender roles already,arg. I hope your daughter uses their teasing as fuel to kick ass at softball

 

[jillio]

Kids can be so vicious. By age 2 they are noticing gender roles already,arg. I hope your daughter uses their teasing as fuel to kick ass at softball

With BB as her mom, I have every confidence that she will!

 

[Babyblue]

Kids can be so vicious. By age 2 they are noticing gender roles already,arg. I hope your daughter uses their teasing as fuel to kick ass at softball

Oh her team won championship in the pony tail league.


So I told her that they just can't stand it that she is that good!

 

[VamPyroX]

Ok.. going back to VamPyroX
Post.

What responsibilities do you feel the boy should have?
Regarding sex and going out?

They should develop mandatory programs for the father of the baby and make him responsible for his actions. That way, he will feel the pressure the mother is in since she has the baby.

 

[Babyblue]

With BB as her mom, I have every confidence that she will!

. Damn right. That's my girl!

It is what she wants to do!

She is in the gifted program as well making straight A's.

Ok enough of the Bragging.




I'm going off topic but I just could not help myself.

 

[jillio]

. Damn right. That's my girl!

It is what she wants to do!

She is in the gifted program as well making straight A's.

Ok enough of the Bragging.




I'm going off topic but I just could not help myself.

Hey, bragging is a parental right! Give your girl a high 5 for me!

 

[Babyblue]

They should develop mandatory programs for the father of the baby and make him responsible for his actions. That way, he will feel the pressure the mother is in since she has the baby.

I agree.

We are required in child care to have specific items in our dramatic center.

Clothes of all sorts to play dress up or house.

Majority of my boys in my class enjoys playing baby dolls and dressing up in heels! Along with the girls

It is so cute and wonderful to see a small child to role play as a family. Boys and girls both caring for the babydolls and cook.

It is good to see.

 

[Babyblue]

Hey, bragging is a parental right! Give your girl a high 5 for me!

Will do!

 

[jillio]

I agree.

We are required in child care to have specific items in our dramatic center.

Clothes of all sorts to play dress up or house.

Majority of my boys in my class enjoys playing baby dolls and dressing up in heels! Along with the girls

It is so cute and wonderful to see a small child to role play as a family. Boys and girls both caring for the babydolls and cook.

It is good to see.

One of my nephews had a baby doll that he was very attached to. It went everywhere with him. Today, he has 5 children of his own and is the primary nurturer and caregiver in the family.

 

[shel90]

Yep about the bolded statement. However, the more Americanized families, even though they still hold on to some of those characteristics you mentioned, are becoming lenient with women going off to college. Also, if the woman does not have kids, the family does persuade the woman to work or go to college nearby home.

In the Spanish culture, it's more about the men/older generation thinking that young women need to be protected rather than women are below men, if that makes sense? Education and career wise, it's encouraged for women, but not being watched or protected by their husband or parents is when they freak the hell out. (i.e. going off to college away from home, not living with the parents/husband, and so on.). Also, we are BIG on family, if you move away from family (or at least don't visit them often), it's a direct attack on family.[/QUOTE]


That was the case when my ex hubby, daughter, and I moved from AZ to DC so I could go to Gallaudet. His family was very very angry with us especially with me cuz I was taking their brother/son and grandaughter/niece away from them. I didnt understand what the big deal was but apparently, I offended them big time. Oh well.

 

[darkdog]

So far I have learned a lot about how gender is a social construct, gender polarization, roles, norms, and the so called "differences between men and women."

I've been curious about this for a while. Can you point me to some of the research that determined gender is a social construct rather than innate?

 

[SFShawn13]

I've been curious about this for a while. Can you point me to some of the research that determined gender is a social construct rather than innate?

Well, the fact that there are numerous cultures with many genders and different roles is one. Are you looking for books specifically? Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto Sterling is one, The Male Body by Susan Bordo, Gender Outlaw by Kate Bornstein, and men, women and society, 5th edition by renzetti and curran.

 

[SFShawn13]

OH! Also, read an up to date book on general psychology =)

 

[naisho]

I've been curious about this for a while. Can you point me to some of the research that determined gender is a social construct rather than innate?

Well, the fact that there are numerous cultures with many genders and different roles is one. Are you looking for books specifically? Sexing the Body by Anne Fausto Sterling is one, The Male Body by Susan Bordo, Gender Outlaw by Kate Bornstein, and men, women and society, 5th edition by renzetti and curran.

Yes, I can back up SFShawn here, although with no hard evidence other than that of my word and forgetting my sources I learned in class to cite - gender roles are socially constructed, not innate/naturally.

One perfect example, as you subconsciously already know - the Amazons. Whether it was a myth or not, but the evident that such a thing exists can tell you that it's all culturally "created" (air quoting myself here).

 

[SFShawn13]

Yes, I could list hundreds and hundreds of psychology and sociology books stating that gender is a construct. Whereas sex is not (well, that could be argued but that's a whole other can of worms).

 

[jillio]

I've been curious about this for a while. Can you point me to some of the research that determined gender is a social construct rather than innate?

Any psychology of gender or sociology textbook.