On Obama's big day, Bill Ayers speaks

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Obama wasn't lying. Ayers said he WISHED he knew Obama better but said it was distant, just like his relationships with thousands of people. Obama has been consistent that there's nothing more than just professional relationship on education board whom Ayers founded and was funded by a Republican.

The McCain campaign have smeared Obama by false "guilt by association" accusations.
 
I think we all knew the truth of the situation all along. Obama and Ayers both handled it well. Obama adressed the accusation and then let it go, refusing to give it credibility. Ayers simply refused to respond to such an accusation in that it did not even deserve a response. He waited until the election was over, so that there could be no further accusations regarding his support of Obama.

Just goes to show the good character of both men.
 
Love the statement by Ayers:

"Pal around together? What does that mean? Share a milkshake with two straws?" Ayers said. "I think my relationship with Obama was probably like thousands of others in Chicago. And, like millions and millions of others, I wish I knew him better."

It shows Ayers does NOT know him well.
 
Exactly!!! It prove McCain's and Palin's dishonestly about Obama!!!! ;)
 
Today, a new interview by Ayers only strengthens evidence that Ayers and Obama don't know each other well other than professional relationships on the education board.

MR. CUOMO: Clearly, the matter at hand, is this relationship with Barack Obama. So let's get right to it. You did have a meaningful relationship with Barack Obama, didn't you? (looks like a trap question)

MR. AYERS: I knew Barack Obama, absolutely, and I knew him probably as well as thousands of other Chicagoans and like millions and millions of other people worldwide, I wish I knew him better right now.

MR. CUOMO: But thousands of people were not asked to help start his political career in their home, right? That's an intimacy.

MR. AYERS: I was asked by the state senator to have a coffee for Barack Obama when he first ran for office and we had him in our home and I think he was probably in 20 homes that day, as far as I know, but that was the first time I really met him.

MR. CUOMO: But you understand the concern here is that it seems that there's an evasiveness here, yes, you served on boards together, but that relationship that somebody is in your home and you are introducing them to a political community that you have connections with. You're vouching for someone. There's an advocacy. There's a relationship, certainly, you must have spoken with Barack Obama about things. You must have gotten to know him before you did that.

MR. AYERS: No, actually, I didn't get to know him before I did that, but I did know him in the context of being on a board together and that relationship was public, always in a large kind of context, but you know, I don't really agree with your premise that this is worth somehow, this is worthy of really exploring because I don't buy the idea that guilt by association should be any part of our politics, and the interesting thing is as much as this was created as an issue in the campaign, it appears for most people it had no traction. It had no meaning.

So the assumption that if two people share a cup of coffee or take a bus downtown together or have a thousand other types of associations that that somehow means they share politics, outlook, policy or responsibility for one another's actions.


MR. CUOMO: But when you're measuring the content of a man's character who wants to President of the United States, certainly, information about his friendship/coffee/association with a man who has the past that you have, creating violence against the United States, you must understand how that would be a concern.

MR. AYERS: No, I don't agree with either part of that. I think that dishonest narrative is, one, to demonize me. Let's remember that what you call a violent past, that was at a time when thousands of people were being murdered by our government every month and those of us who fought to end that war were actually on the right side. So if we want to replay that history, I would reject the whole notion that demonizing me or the Weather Underground is relevant, but secondly -

Obama 'pal' Ayers fights back: The Swamp
 
The interview does prove that Ayers is still unrepentant of his past, and doesn't even acknowledge the wrongness of what he did.
 
The interview does prove that Ayers is still unrepentant of his past, and doesn't even acknowledge the wrongness of what he did.

So what? What does his refusal to repent for his wrongdoings have to do with Obama?
 
A new interview Ayers again... but this time, you'll get to read the long transcript... helps you understand why Ayers did it and why he was NOT apologizing for his actions.

Democracy Now! | Democracy Now! Exclusive (Part 1): Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn on the Weather Underground, the McCain Campaign Attacks, President-Elect Obama and the Antiwar Movement Today

He also explains that the Republican party has totally exaggerated about Obama's link to him.

The more I understand him, the more I respect him even though I don't agree with his actions.
 
A new interview Ayers again... but this time, you'll get to read the long transcript... helps you understand why Ayers did it and why he was NOT apologizing for his actions.

Democracy Now! | Democracy Now! Exclusive (Part 1): Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn on the Weather Underground, the McCain Campaign Attacks, President-Elect Obama and the Antiwar Movement Today

He also explains that the Republican party has totally exaggerated about Obama's link to him.

The more I understand him, the more I respect him even though I don't agree with his actions.

He at least has the courage of his convictions, and his motives were far from self serving. I wish we saw more of that character in people today. His actions may have been questionable, but his motives certainly weren't, nor was he afraid to actually take action for a cause he truly believed in.
 
He at least has the courage of his convictions, and his motives were far from self serving. I wish we saw more of that character in people today. His actions may have been questionable, but his motives certainly weren't, nor was he afraid to actually take action for a cause he truly believed in.
So why did he go on the lam and use aliases for years if he was so courageous?
 
So why did he go on the lam and use aliases for years if he was so courageous?

He went on the lam for legal reasons. And I stand by my assessment. This is a man that is very involved in his community at a grass roots level, and devotes much time and effort to the improvement of circumstances for those who are less fortunate. He lives his convictions on a daily basis. We could use more like him.
 
He went on the lam for legal reasons.
That's a nice way of putting it.

And I stand by my assessment. This is a man that is very involved in his community at a grass roots level...
So are drug dealers and bookies; it's not always a good thing.

... and devotes much time and effort to the improvement of circumstances for those who are less fortunate.
Exactly what does he do that actually improves their lives (other than organizing them)?

He lives his convictions on a daily basis. We could use more like him.
That's scary, on several levels.

If he still has the same convictions as he did in Prairie Fire, we don't need more like him.
 
Exactly what does he do that actually improves their lives (other than organizing them)?

"Throughout the 20 years that he has been a valued faculty member at UIC, he has taught, advised, mentored, and supported hundreds of undergraduate, Masters and Ph.D. students. He has pushed them to take seriously their responsibilities as educators in a democracy – to promote critical inquiry, dialogue, and debate; to encourage questioning and independent thinking; to value the full humanity of every person and to work for access and equity. Helping educators develop the capacity and ethical commitment to these responsibilities is at the core of what we do, and as a teacher he has always embraced debate and multiple perspectives."

Let's see... 4291 educators are defending Bill Ayers.

Suppport4 Bill Ayers

He earned respect among his colleagues and students.

So, Reba, get over with it. Like I said, I don't agree with his views and actions but I respect him.
 
"Throughout the 20 years that he has been a valued faculty member at UIC, he has taught, advised, mentored, and supported hundreds of undergraduate, Masters and Ph.D. students. He has pushed them to take seriously their responsibilities as educators in a democracy – to promote critical inquiry, dialogue, and debate; to encourage questioning and independent thinking; to value the full humanity of every person and to work for access and equity. Helping educators develop the capacity and ethical commitment to these responsibilities is at the core of what we do, and as a teacher he has always embraced debate and multiple perspectives."

Let's see... 4291 educators are defending Bill Ayers.

Suppport4 Bill Ayers

He earned respect among his colleagues and students.

So, Reba, get over with it. Like I said, I don't agree with his views and actions but I respect him.
How does that prove he has helped disadvantaged people?

It sounds like the usual vague padding that people use in their resumes or in their annual evaluations.

What is there to "get over?" It wasn't me who initiated this thread. If you can defend Ayers, I can expose him. So?
 
How does that prove he has helped disadvantaged people?

It sounds like the usual vague padding that people use in their resumes or in their annual evaluations.

What is there to "get over?" It wasn't me who initiated this thread. If you can defend Ayers, I can expose him. So?

Okay I understand you being against Ayers, that's fine, but are you still suspicious about their relationship? Do you honestly think there's some underlying secret relationship? Just trying to clarify if you're just against people glorifying Ayers or if there's more to it.
 
How does that prove he has helped disadvantaged people?

It sounds like the usual vague padding that people use in their resumes or in their annual evaluations.

What is there to "get over?" It wasn't me who initiated this thread. If you can defend Ayers, I can expose him. So?

If exposing him is your intent, I suggest that you use fact rather than opinion.
 
What is there to "get over?" It wasn't me who initiated this thread. If you can defend Ayers, I can expose him. So?

I started this thread proving that there's no substantial association between Ayers and Obama. And you talked about how bad Ayers is which wasn't even the point. The point is that Obama and Ayers have SAID repeatedly that they don't know each other well and they just happened to be in the same hood and on the same board. They are NOT saying, "Look, if you promote me, I'll promote you!" or as Ayers said in his interview, just because a person socialized with him does NOT mean that the person shares with his beliefs.

But you are the one that questions Ayer's character so I stated my opinion on him but the truth is that no matter what you or I think of Ayers, there is NO evidence that there is more to what both have said. Independent media sources confirmed that there's no evidence. The more Ayers spoke, the more I know that there's not much to it. He had him over at his house for senate candidancy... he knew his family because they're both in the same hood. He knew him on the board and shared issues relating to the education and nothing more. There's nothing unusual about it. If I came over to your house, would it be fair for the media to questoin your association with an athiest?
 
I started this thread proving that there's no substantial association between Ayers and Obama. And you talked about how bad Ayers is which wasn't even the point. The point is that Obama and Ayers have SAID repeatedly that they don't know each other well and they just happened to be in the same hood and on the same board. They are NOT saying, "Look, if you promote me, I'll promote you!" or as Ayers said in his interview, just because a person socialized with him does NOT mean that the person shares with his beliefs.

But you are the one that questions Ayer's character so I stated my opinion on him but the truth is that no matter what you or I think of Ayers, there is NO evidence that there is more to what both have said. Independent media sources confirmed that there's no evidence. The more Ayers spoke, the more I know that there's not much to it. He had him over at his house for senate candidancy... he knew his family because they're both in the same hood. He knew him on the board and shared issues relating to the education and nothing more. There's nothing unusual about it. If I came over to your house, would it be fair for the media to questoin your association with an athiest?


:gpost: Yes, I am thinking the same thing, too.
 
If exposing him is your intent, I suggest that you use fact rather than opinion.
Ayers' own words and actions condemn him. Those are facts.
 
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