Death by Taser

I'm with most of Jillo's posts.
 
Our state police have to pass annual fitness and firearms exams to keep their jobs, our county and local police just have a piece of paper that says they passed a cop class.

Although I will say this, Russellville PD does require a fitness test as a pre-requisite to getting hired, as well as the standard firearms test.
 
jillio said:
:ty: Liebling!
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Willkommen :D

Police Officers are suppose to train how to handle unarmed offenders correctly instead of use weapons to hurt/kill them without know either they have allergic, heart trouble, etc.
 
jillio said:
If you knew the history of some of the clients I work with, I think you'd back up on that statement. Criminal activity does not put one at more risk than the at-risk behaviors do. What exactly is it about a criminal offender that puts them at more risk for hepatitis or HIV infection? If you think it is only criminal offenders=you never know, you are actually at a greater risk than someone who realizes that anyone, including the person you are currently having sex with, or the officer attempting to execute an arrest, could very well be HIV, hepC, or hepB positive. Those diseases know know social or economic boundaries.
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exactly. How do you know? That's why the cop has to assume the worst. Spitting, needle in pocket, biting, etc. Taser is safe for both parties (offender and officer) to defuse the situation from escalating to the point where physical confrontation is needed to subdue a person resisting the arrest.
 
jiro123 said:
exactly. How do you know? That's why the cop has to assume the worst. Spitting, needle in pocket, biting, etc. Taser is safe for both parties (offender and officer) to defuse the situation from escalating to the point where physical confrontation is needed to subdue a person resisting the arrest.
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And can also result in the death based on an incorrect assumption and unfounded fear.
 
jillio said:
And can also result in the death based on an incorrect assumption and unfounded fear.
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and death can be prevented if they're smart not to resist or be stupid. Comply and we'll all be fine :cool2:
 
But its headlines like these that make the rest of the LEOs look bad.

Those few need to be removed from law enforcement altogether - either that or put behind a desk on a permanent basis.
 
Dixie said:
But its headlines like these that make the rest of the LEOs look bad.

Those few need to be removed from law enforcement altogether - either that or put behind a desk on a permanent basis.
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put behind the desk? hell no. They don't deserve to carry the badge on their chest or work for law enforcement. They should be immediately fired and banned from any public service jobs (except garbage man).

jillio said:
Ever run across the saying, "One bad apple spoils the bunch?"
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then you should know better not to dismiss taser.
 
Dixie said:
But its headlines like these that make the rest of the LEOs look bad.

Those few need to be removed from law enforcement altogether - either that or put behind a desk on a permanent basis.
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So we should not report these incidents?

These individuals definately need to be removed from any position of power over another human being. Putting them behind a desk is nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and permits justification of their behavior. They have committed a criminal act under the protection of a piece of metal pinned to their shirt. That kind of behavior is unacceptable in one who is sworn to "protect and serve."

Perhaps we need to take a much closer look at mental qualifications for the job, and underlying motives for their wish to become an LEO prior to ever giving them that piece of metal.
 
jiro123 said:
put behind the desk? hell no. They don't deserve to carry the badge on their chest or work for law enforcement. They should be immediately fired and banned from any public service jobs (except garbage man).


then you should know better not to dismiss taser.
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I haven't dismissed the tasar. I have objected to those bad apples that seem insistent on using it improperly. If we excuse their behavior, then we validate the action they have taken, and the rest of the apples will follow in kind.

You, however, seem to think that excessive force is justifiable simply because the person executing it has a piece of tin pinned on their shirt.
 
jillio said:
So we should not report these incidents?

These individuals definately need to be removed from any position of power over another human being. Putting them behind a desk is nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and permits justification of their behavior. They have committed a criminal act under the protection of a piece of metal pinned to their shirt. That kind of behavior is unacceptable in one who is sworn to "protect and serve."

Perhaps we need to take a much closer look at mental qualifications for the job, and underlying motives for their wish to become an LEO prior to ever giving them that piece of metal.
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But what I meant was that the majority of the time with these incidents they get a suspension of a week, maybe for as long as the investigation is underway and then they are right back on the streets as 'suspension was the disciplinary action for the officer.'

I agree that they should be completely removed from public service, but behind a desk answering telephones all day at least gets them off the streets where they are no longer a menace to their communities dressed as an officer.

Some officers just get demoted.

The incidents should not be ignored, but sadly it is the few that make the rest look bad which is why a lot of people have mistrust in their local law enforcement agency.

Again I agree these incidents should be reported, and the officer in question should be immediately removed from public service.
 
jillio said:
So we should not report these incidents?

These individuals definately need to be removed from any position of power over another human being. Putting them behind a desk is nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and permits justification of their behavior. They have committed a criminal act under the protection of a piece of metal pinned to their shirt. That kind of behavior is unacceptable in one who is sworn to "protect and serve."

Perhaps we need to take a much closer look at mental qualifications for the job, and underlying motives for their wish to become an LEO prior to ever giving them that piece of metal.
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:gpost: well said. well said. I've seen a good cop who can CALMLY and PROFESSIONALLY defuse the situation just by talking. Wish we have many cops like that.
 
Dixie said:
But what I meant was that the majority of the time with these incidents they get a suspension of a week, maybe for as long as the investigation is underway and then they are right back on the streets as 'suspension was the disciplinary action for the officer.'

I agree that they should be completely removed from public service, but behind a desk answering telephones all day at least gets them off the streets where they are no longer a menace to their communities dressed as an officer.

Some officers just get demoted.

The incidents should not be ignored, but sadly it is the few that make the rest look bad which is why a lot of people have mistrust in their local law enforcement agency.


Again I agree these incidents should be reported, and the officer in question should be immediately removed from public service.
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Thanks for clarifying. Sorry if I misunderstood your previous post.
 
jillio said:
I haven't dismissed the tasar. I have objected to those bad apples that seem insistent on using it improperly. If we excuse their behavior, then we validate the action they have taken, and the rest of the apples will follow in kind.

You, however, seem to think that excessive force is justifiable simply because the person executing it has a piece of tin pinned on their shirt.
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Absolutely not. Taser is not a tool for "excessive force" but tasering a handcuffed person 9x is excessive and unnecessary. I've seen some violent arrests and I find it very disheartening. I understand these cops are high on adrenaline and very angry because the thugs made their jobs more dangerous. I don't like it when it's a procedure to your knee on thug's neck while arresting. That is dangerous.

I think they should learn Israeli hand-to-hands & self-defense techniques regularly. Many USA soldiers in Iraq learn it too. Israeli police/military even have technique to disable suicide bomber which I thought was crazy! It's quite effective and easy.
 
jiro123 said:
Absolutely not. Taser is not a tool for "excessive force" but tasering a handcuffed person 9x is excessive and unnecessary. I've seen some violent arrest and I find it very disheartening. I understand these cops are high on adrenaline and very angry because the thugs made their jobs more dangerous.

I think they should learn Israeli hand-to-hands & self-defense techniques regularly. Many USA soldiers in Iraq learn it too. Israeli police/military even have technique to disable suicide bomber which I thought was crazy! It's quite effective and easy.
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Personally, I think some anger management might be useful. When a cop takes a job, he does so with the full understanding that certain dangers are inherent in the job. When you accept the job, you accept the dangers that go along with it. If you get pissed off because you have encountered a situation that you knew all along was possible, and that you willing accepted the risk for, then you don't need to be a cop.
 
jillio said:
Personally, I think some anger management might be useful. When a cop takes a job, he does so with the full understanding that certain dangers are inherent in the job. When you accept the job, you accept the dangers that go along with it. If you get pissed off because you have encountered a situation that you knew all along was possible, and that you willing accepted the risk for, then you don't need to be a cop.
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and stress management too. and a small reform in legal system such as legalizing marijuana, etc that will cut some slacks for cops.
 
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