Excitement Growing in Germany as Obama Speech Nears

[Reba]

...If Obama pay his visit to the wounded troops at hospitail then John McCain would have bashed him for going against the wish of the Pentagon, don't he?

I'm not a prophet, so I can't predict what McCain would say.

I make no difference either Obama visit wounded troops alone or not because wounded troops STILL would see him as a political figure.

I don't know; I can't read the minds of the troops.

 

[Reba]

Oh yes, Did you know that they ate cake together during katrina time?

??? Point???

 

[Reba]

If you say it's no deal but why you brought this up in first place then?

Did I?

wow, do you really think McCain ignored his sons during his frequent visit to Iraq?

In other words, you have NO PROOF!

Yes I'm very annoy by McCain for use wounded troops for gain his votes to accuse Obama as disrespectful and poor judgment when he know very well that Obama was told by the Pentagon to not go.

The Pentagon said they did NOT tell Obama that he couldn't make the visit. The Pentagon said Obama was welcome to visit the hospital as long as he didn't bring any campaigning with him.

Where? I still do not see in that article that he visited hospitial in Europe.

By Senator John McCain
April 11, 2007

"I just returned from my fifth visit to Iraq...

On our way home from Iraq, our delegation stopped in Germany for refueling and crew rest, and I had the privilege of visiting some of our wounded at Landstuhl. I briefly stopped in Mark Robbins' room, but he was sedated and unable then to communicate. I spent a few moments there, and talked to his buddy, before I went to visit other wounded soldiers. Not too long after I had left Mark's room, Petty Officer Swink found me and told me Mark was awake and had asked to see me. So I returned. When I entered his room and approached his bedside, he struggled with great difficulty to sit up, stiffened his body as if he were trying to stand at attention, grasped my hand tightly and wouldn't let go. And then he whispered to me not to worry, 'We can win this fight. We can win this fight.' Mark, as another person observed, looks like the 'toughest kid on the high school football team.' He is tough, and brave, and very young. But more than that, he's an inspiration to those who are only called upon to subordinate a temporary political advantage to the security of our good and great nation. Petty Officer Mark Robbins, an American hero, believes we can still win this fight. I'll take his word for it, and accept my responsibility to help the cause he sacrificed so much to defend. Thank you."

John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

Of course we know that we can't vote him... What's your point... All what you do is mock me to add emotion because we European can't vote him... It shows yourself is anti-European.

The giggle was for Obama, not you. It shows that Obama doesn't understand who the voters are. He's not running for King of Europe. He needs to convince Americans that he is worthy of their vote.

It has nothing to do with being anti-European. It has to do with the FACT that pleasing Europeans won't mean Obama can get American votes.

We show our interest about Americans and their country. We accept American's view over German candidates or Germany... If Americans show no interest of our country which mean is their ignorant.

So when was the last time a German candidate came to make a campaign speech in America? When was the last time a European candidate came to make a campaign speech in America?

It doesn't make sense.

 

[jillio]

Excitement doesn't always equal support. Here's another viewpoint of the Obama rock tour:


The Macon Daily - EditorsCorner News provided by The Macon Daily!

Anyway, Euros can't vote in American elections, so it doesn't really matter. :P

It does make a difference when it comes to international relations.

 

[jillio]

Remember that the next president could be McCain.

Scary thought!

 

[jillio]

Webexplorer tried to say that McCain and Obama have different taste... McCain use his old fashioned way and Obama prefer to use his modern way.

Get it?

Which means that Obama is more in touch with the real world and the voters than McCain.

 

[jillio]

The reason that Obama didn't visit the hospital is because the Pentagon wouldn't let him campaign at the hospital. As a U.S. Senator, Obama is always welcome at any military hospital. But no political campaigning is allowed on military facilities. It seems that Obama didn't want to visit the wounded soldiers as their Senator. He wanted to get some campaigning benefit for the visit. The military cannot accept politic campaigning. So, Obama's staff canceled the visit. That is very self centered of them. It shouldn't matter to them if cameras and press aren't allowed in the hospital. Obama should visit the patients privately. But he didn't bother. That is NOT showing respect for the patients.


The Raw Story | Pentagon disputes Obama camp version of cancelled troop visit


Pentagon Says It Cautioned Obama On Military-Hospital Visit - EasyBourse actualité

If Obama really respected the soldiers, he would visit them in the hospital following Pentagon guidelines.

I thought you said you weren't a prophet and could not read minds.

 

[Pinky]

Excuse for :topic: Why you guys are worrying too much about Obama and McCain? Are you guys panic? :roll:

 

[Reba]

I thought you said you weren't a prophet and could not read minds.

I'm not a prophet--I don't know what someone will do in the future.

But I can explain the rules about campaigning in military hospitals and what things are allowed and not allowed. That means, I can show that some excuses aren't going to wash.

If Obama wanted to visit the troops in his capacity as Senator, he could. But he didn't. That's not forecasting the future; that's looking at his actions.

I've been on military bases where we prepared for and participated in VIP visits. It doesn't even matter if the VIP is someone we're not keen about. The troops get excited and have their morale lifted by VIP visits. It's especially important to troops in hospitals because they can't go out to make visits. So, when an anticipated visit is canceled, it's a real bummer to the troops and staff.

 

[Pinky]

Lielbing, I have a question for you. Is your country in Germany is Liberal? Then why Germany is still serve for Military? My one of friend from church. Her daughter live in Germany right now because she is work at Air Force in Germany.

In my opinion for American Troops should still serve if Obama win for president. Obama don't need to cut Military off. Because Military is caring about our country to protect from Terrorist. I know Obama will pull Troops out of Iraq but still need to protect our country.

In case for something happen to our America and the terrorist want to attack on our country again. When is Obama become a President. If Terrorist want to destroy our country. What we will do?? They need the troops to protect our country. And also something happen to weather advisory. For Katrina's Hurricane and big flood destroy the land. The homeless people need ask for help and need Troops to help and give them for relief of food and waters. Troops is great for rescue the people's life.

Many Many Liberal do Anti-War but why they are wearing a camo clothes for fashion??

What do you think?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I thought you said you weren't a prophet and could not read minds.

Yes I know

 

[Liebling:-)))]

??? Point???

I showed several links including the picture of them eat cake together during Katrina time to Royale because she claimed that they doesn't get along. What's your point?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

In other words, you have NO PROOF!

Would you do as mother and Grandmother?

The Pentagon said they did NOT tell Obama that he couldn't make the visit. The Pentagon said Obama was welcome to visit the hospital as long as he didn't bring any campaigning with him.

Obama know what he doing when he visited wounded troops at hospitail in Iraq and Agfanistion without camera etc..... until Pentagon ADVISED him to not go when he was in Germany due policital view. Obama choose to take Pentagon's advice and cancel because he felt that he should not use wounded troops to boost his vote. I really have hard to understand why McCain bashed Obama when the Pentagon said the same thing to McCain's wife as well when she was being denied for want to visit sailors... :roll:

By Senator John McCain
April 11, 2007

John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President

for interesting link. I can see from that article that he is too obsessed about the Iraq war... and said very little about his visit to Germany... It didn't say very much.... To my view, his speech over his visits doesn't make him best candidate.

The giggle was for Obama, not you. It shows that Obama doesn't understand who the voters are. He's not running for King of Europe. He needs to convince Americans that he is worthy of their vote.

It has nothing to do with being anti-European. It has to do with the FACT that pleasing Europeans won't mean Obama can get American votes.

Okay, I see different because Obama is an intelligent and a mature man to know that we European can't vote him because he avoided being act as the President of US when he was in Europe tour. Obama's speech in Germany shows that he wants to do good for the world, not just America. Is it not hard to understand what he asks is from US and the world?

McCain is badmouth about Obama's lack of experience and pay too much attention on Iraq war when he DID call Putin President of Germany... It look like that he don't know that we have German cousellor Angie Merkel...

I wonder to myself either it's hard for him as U.S. president candidate to correct the name and which country where Presidents is in or not because my 12 years old son know who Putin and which country he come from? It look like that he pay too much attention on Iraq war?

So when was the last time a German candidate came to make a campaign speech in America? When was the last time a European candidate came to make a campaign speech in America?

It doesn't make sense.

It look like Obama is a first man as an American candidate to Europe. It got most German politicians good thought about visit oversea as European candidate... I see why not if they want to make oversea trip to learn different culture. They should use Obama's example!!!

German Politicians React to Obama's Speech: 'Will a German Speak at the Washington Monument in 2009?' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

It's hard for me to understand why some Americans listen McCain's badmouth over Obama's oversea trip and negative Obama when they KNEW McCain's visit to Canada, Mexico, etc. and made his speeches there ? It seem to me that McCain's badmouth about Obama goes worse and worse, while Obama goes better and better. Obama beleive in come to solve problems together, etc. I thought some Americans could be proud of Amercian who is able to pull 200,000 people to Berlin to listen his speech, no matter either he wins at election or not but give him a praise?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Which means that Obama is more in touch with the real world and the voters than McCain.

Yes, he is reality.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Lielbing, I have a question for you. Is your country in Germany is Liberal?

Yes

Then why Germany is still serve for Military?

Yes, to protect country against terrorists.

In my opinion for American Troops should still serve if Obama win for president. Obama don't need to cut Military off.

No, Obama is not plan to cut military off when he wins at election. Many military bases around the world still stay to protect from terrorists.

Because Military is caring about our country to protect from Terrorist.

Yes, that's right. Thats' what Obama is support about.

I know Obama will pull Troops out of Iraq but still need to protect our country.

Yes, I know he plans to pull troops out of Iraq because it's not necassary there in Iraq since Saddam's arrest and execution.

In case for something happen to our America and the terrorist want to attack on our country again. When is Obama become a President. If Terrorist want to destroy our country. What we will do?? They need the troops to protect our country. And also something happen to weather advisory. For Katrina's Hurricane and big flood destroy the land. The homeless people need ask for help and need Troops to help and give them for relief of food and waters. Troops is great for rescue the people's life.

Yes, that's why we have military bases around the world to protect against terrorists. That's what Obama want to support about, NOT attack other countries for a war.

Many Many Liberal do Anti-War but why they are wearing a camo clothes for fashion??

It's not just Liberal but also Conservative as well. We support troops and not support war. Get the difference?

What do you think?

for ask my question. I hope my answer to your question meet your satisfy... If not, then ask me...

 

[Hwy99]

Lielbing, I have a question for you. Is your country in Germany is Liberal? Then why Germany is still serve for Military? My one of friend from church. Her daughter live in Germany right now because she is work at Air Force in Germany.

In my opinion for American Troops should still serve if Obama win for president. Obama don't need to cut Military off. Because Military is caring about our country to protect from Terrorist. I know Obama will pull Troops out of Iraq but still need to protect our country.

In case for something happen to our America and the terrorist want to attack on our country again. When is Obama become a President. If Terrorist want to destroy our country. What we will do?? They need the troops to protect our country. And also something happen to weather advisory. For Katrina's Hurricane and big flood destroy the land. The homeless people need ask for help and need Troops to help and give them for relief of food and waters. Troops is great for rescue the people's life.

Many Many Liberal do Anti-War but why they are wearing a camo clothes for fashion??

What do you think?

I don't think there is such a party without troops for their protection. For example, Tibet, they always believe in the peace no matter what, and are very anti-war due to their religion beliefs, but they still have the troops for their own protection.

As Liebling said, we support the troops, but not the war.

 

[Reba]

I showed several links including the picture of them eat cake together during Katrina time to Royale because she claimed that they doesn't get along. What's your point?

You think a posed picture of two people eating cake proves that they are in political agreement!

That is soooooo hysterical!

 

[Reba]

Would you do as mother and Grandmother?

It doesn't matter what I would want to do. I'm not John McCain, so it doesn't matter what I would do. You have NO PROOF, and trying to divert attention from that fact won't work. AD members are too smart for that ploy.

Obama know what he doing when he visited wounded troops at hospitail in Iraq and Agfanistion without camera etc...until Pentagon ADVISED him to not go when he was in Germany due policital view. Obama choose to take Pentagon's advice and cancel because he felt that he should not use wounded troops to boost his vote. I really have hard to understand why McCain bashed Obama when the Pentagon said the same thing to McCain's wife as well when she was being denied for want to visit sailors... :roll:

OK, you can continue to ignore the Pentagon statement, and harp on the hospital non-visit. I posted the Pentagon's statement, and there really isn't any more I can do. It's there for anyone who cares to read it.

for interesting link. I can see from that article that he is too obsessed about the Iraq war... and said very little about his visit to Germany... It didn't say very much.... To my view, his speech over his visits doesn't make him best candidate.

Obsessed about the war? Yeah, I guess you could say nations' leaders are "obsessed" about the wars in which their countries are involved.

What do you prefer? That a nation's leader should hide his head in the sand about an ongoing war?

Okay, I see different because Obama is an intelligent and a mature man to know that we European can't vote him because he avoided being act as the President of US when he was in Europe tour. Obama's speech in Germany shows that he wants to do good for the world, not just America. Is it not hard to understand what he asks is from US and the world?

Great! You can keep Obama for Germany. :P

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You think a posed picture of two people eating cake proves that they are in political agreement!

That is soooooo hysterical!

You took one of two links to quote my post toward Royale... Go back and look my post with 2 links... then you will see there're plenty pictures of them together than just eat cake together.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

It doesn't matter what I would want to do. I'm not John McCain, so it doesn't matter what I would do. You have NO PROOF, and trying to divert attention from that fact won't work. AD members are too smart for that ploy.

Interesting

OK, you can continue to ignore the Pentagon statement, and harp on the hospital non-visit. I posted the Pentagon's statement, and there really isn't any more I can do. It's there for anyone who cares to read it.

I also posted about pentagon statement, too. Do you want to deny that the Pentagon said nothing about Obama's twice visits to hospitails without camera, press in Iraq and Afganistion until said something for a first time when he was in Germany?

Obsessed about the war? Yeah, I guess you could say nations' leaders are "obsessed" about the wars in which their countries are involved.

What do you prefer? That a nation's leader should hide his head in the sand about an ongoing war?

No, it's warmonger who start a war, I refer to. There're no peace if they carry on...

No, Nations' leaders only do is give presidents their approval IF the presidents want a war.

Great! You can keep Obama for Germany. :P

No, it's not for Germany but for world... We want to keep Obama because he is a world peacemaker...