ASL, PSE, or SEE, which is superior

rockdrummer said:
I understand the title of the thread is which is superior. What I am saying is that is going to depend on ones definition of superior. Add to that subjectivity and it's going to be a mixed bag of results.
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What definition is there for "superior" except "better than"? Of course, I have offered a concise definition, but isn't that what it boils down to? Opinion might vary, or context might change the degree, but the definition of superior doesn't change.
 
I sign PSE too. I was taught first SEE Then spoken English language then Asl
 
VamPyroX said:
I agree with you.

The United States follows the English system when it comes to communication.

Since ASL is considered a second language, then deaf students should learn English the way it should be taught... with proper grammar and structure.

If Hispanics go through it, then deaf people should too.

Race and handicap is no different... they both deserve equal treatment.

If a Hispanic kid wants to get through English school, he has to learn English and go through English class like every other kid.

If a deaf kid wants to get through English school, he should also have to learn English and go through English class like every other kid.

Hispanics still speak Spanish when they're away from school or talking with each other among other Hispanics. But, they use the English system when they are in school or doing homework.

Deaf people do the same thing. So, saying that their primary language is ASL shouldn't be an excuse NOT to use SEE or follow the English system. That's basically what school is about... learning. Whether it's hard or not, they should still learn.

So, in school... SEE or any sign language that resembles proper English grammar and structure should be used. ASL should be something best left to themselves.
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SEE is not written or spoken so it could never resemble written or spoken English. Also, the grammar is spatial unlike grammar in English. Furthermore, SEE would not exist without Asl as it borrows vocab (signs) from Asl.

Asl existed long before SEE ever did. Asl, in part, has been around since the early 1800's. Long before SEE was ever devised in 1972. Its actually been questioned by many as if SEE is even really a language. In its early days, and even up to now too some extent, SEE was considered an artificial system not a language.
 
jasin said:
SEE is not written or spoken so it could never resemble written or spoken English. Also, the grammar is spatial unlike grammar in English. Furthermore, SEE would not exist without Asl as it borrows vocab (signs) from Asl.

Asl existed long before SEE ever did. Asl, in part, has been around since the early 1800's. Long before SEE was ever devised in 1972. Its actually been questioned by many as if SEE is even really a language. In its early days, and even up to now too some extent, SEE was considered an artificial system not a language.
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SEE have verb, nouns, adjverb, adjective, prefix, and suffix. But ASL don't have these. For example I, AM, HER, HIS, THEY, THEIR and other. ASL and SEE aren't the same.

The hearing people don't know ASL very well. They didn't understand deaf people's grammar. It sound they don't have a roots word skill. Many deaf people are embarrassing by hearing people doesn't understand deaf's grammars.

I know SEE very well but I am usually ASL mostly. If my friends never attend to Deaf school. She or he do speak SEE. I have to respect them and use SEE. I have to be patient. If I see other people use ASL. I will use ASL. That's different.
 
Pinky678 said:
SEE have verb, nouns, adjverb, adjective, prefix, and suffix. But ASL don't have these. For example I, AM, HER, HIS, THEY, THEIR and other. ASL and SEE aren't the same.

The hearing people don't know ASL very well. They didn't understand deaf people's grammar. It sound they don't have a roots word skill. Many deaf people are embarrassing by hearing people doesn't understand deaf's grammars.

I know SEE very well but I am usually ASL mostly. If my friends never attend to Deaf school. She or he do speak SEE. I have to respect them and use SEE. I have to be patient. If I see other people use ASL. I will use ASL. That's different.
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:roll: All of that exist in Asl and you are showing your ignorance suggesting it does not. I can even sign sentences in Asl in the sturcture of sov, ov, etc.. and still sign correct. As far as SEE being easier to understand, thats false. No one understands Sign, regardless of what kind of sign it is, unless they have studied it. The simple fact that it has a structure more like English makes no difference. Speak SEE? As a deaf person you should know better!! We sign our sign languages we do not speak them. "Speaking sign" is hearing person logic!!
 
Pinky678 said:
SEE have verb, nouns, adjverb, adjective, prefix, and suffix. But ASL don't have these. For example I, AM, HER, HIS, THEY, THEIR and other. ASL and SEE aren't the same.

The hearing people don't know ASL very well. They didn't understand deaf people's grammar. It sound they don't have a roots word skill. Many deaf people are embarrassing by hearing people doesn't understand deaf's grammars.

I know SEE very well but I am usually ASL mostly. If my friends never attend to Deaf school. She or he do speak SEE. I have to respect them and use SEE. I have to be patient. If I see other people use ASL. I will use ASL. That's different.
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Totally inaccurate.
 
Pinky678 said:
SEE have verb, nouns, adjverb, adjective, prefix, and suffix. But ASL don't have these. For example I, AM, HER, HIS, THEY, THEIR and other. ASL and SEE aren't the same.

The hearing people don't know ASL very well. They didn't understand deaf people's grammar. It sound they don't have a roots word skill. Many deaf people are embarrassing by hearing people doesn't understand deaf's grammars.

I know SEE very well but I am usually ASL mostly. If my friends never attend to Deaf school. She or he do speak SEE. I have to respect them and use SEE. I have to be patient. If I see other people use ASL. I will use ASL. That's different.
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Pinky678 - I understand that you are saying there are actual "signs" deemed for these English words in SEE: I, AM, HER, HIS, THEY, THEIR and other. Some ASL signs have been incoprorated into the SEE signing system, along with additions for prefixs and suffixes. Works into a "whole lotta signing!". :)

How fortunate for your friends that your have the skills to accomodate their different signing system.
 
jasin said:
:roll: All of that exist in Asl and you are showing your ignorance suggesting it does not. I can even sign sentences in Asl in the sturcture of sov, ov, etc.. and still sign correct. As far as SEE being easier to understand, thats false. No one understands Sign, regardless of what kind of sign it is, unless they have studied it. The simple fact that it has a structure more like English makes no difference. Speak SEE? As a deaf person you should know better!! We sign our sign languages we do not speak them. "Speaking sign" is hearing person logic!!
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jasin - ASL is not English. You yourself stated:
No one understands Sign, regardless of what kind of sign it is, unless they have studied it.
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I will add, no one attempts to make ASL equate to English unless one knows English.

I agree with Pink678; there are some hearing people that see SEE as "easier" to understand, simply because it tries to follow the same gramatical structure of spoken English.
 
jasin said:
:roll: All of that exist in Asl and you are showing your ignorance suggesting it does not. I can even sign sentences in Asl in the sturcture of sov, ov, etc.. and still sign correct. As far as SEE being easier to understand, thats false. No one understands Sign, regardless of what kind of sign it is, unless they have studied it. The simple fact that it has a structure more like English makes no difference. Speak SEE? As a deaf person you should know better!! We sign our sign languages we do not speak them. "Speaking sign" is hearing person logic!!
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Whoa, hold the phone, I speak and sign at the same time and I'm deaf, yep d-e-a-f. You said deaf people don't speak? You're crazy, there are many deaf people who do speak and sign.
 
jasin said:
SEE is not written or spoken so it could never resemble written or spoken English. Also, the grammar is spatial unlike grammar in English.
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SEE is a sign language that is used in exact English word order the same as one does when writing English. ASL is exactly as opposed to Sign Exact English because has its own unique syntax and grammar.

In SEE, You sign and speak "I am going to the store"
In ASL, You sign and speak "Me go store"
 
Cheri said:
SEE is a sign language that is used in exact English word order the same as one does when writing English. ASL is exactly as opposed to Sign Exact English because has its own unique syntax and grammar.

In SEE, You sign and speak "I am going to the store"
In ASL, You sign and speak "Me go store"
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I already learned that, :lol:. My ASL teacher in high school keep telling stop using SEE. I couldn't help it. But I learn to adjust.
 
jasin said:
SEE is not written or spoken so it could never resemble written or spoken English. Also, the grammar is spatial unlike grammar in English. Furthermore, SEE would not exist without Asl as it borrows vocab (signs) from Asl.

Asl existed long before SEE ever did. Asl, in part, has been around since the early 1800's. Long before SEE was ever devised in 1972. Its actually been questioned by many as if SEE is even really a language. In its early days, and even up to now too some extent, SEE was considered an artificial system not a language.
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SEE is written and spoken. SEE is manualized English, and English is both spoken and written. That is exactly why it was invented to be used in educational environments that employ sim-com.
 
Cheri said:
SEE is a sign language that is used in exact English word order the same as one does when writing English. ASL is exactly as opposed to Sign Exact English because has its own unique syntax and grammar.

In SEE, You sign and speak "I am going to the store"
In ASL, You sign and speak "Me go store"
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Exactly. SEE is jsut what the acronym stands for "Signing Exact English." SEE is English.
 
PSE for me

Sometime, I can switch to fully ASL for no reason. *shurg*
 
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